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On May 14 2011 09:47 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2011 09:39 Azarkon wrote:On May 14 2011 09:30 MrCon wrote:On May 14 2011 09:23 Azarkon wrote:
Unfortunately, I have to agree with the SOTG hosts on this issue - it's a huge advantage for GSL players, not so much for MLG players. The opportunity costs are simply not the same. I think they didn't really thought about it from a foreigner perspective : - Place 2 to 4 goes to code A : -- if they lose first round, they can just return to US directly and just spent 2 to 5 days in Korea -- if they lose ro16, they just go back to US after 7 to 10 days (those 2 cases still makes a nice hollidays) -- if th go ro8 or better, then they can actually have a shot in code S, so staying one month has a real point - Place 1 gets to code S : -- same process ; he gets eliminated in group play, he just returns to US, next GSL the next MLG winner will get his spot (he obviously won't play the up and down, they haven't announced the details but I guess it will be like that) -- if he wins group play, he already earned more (or equal ?) than a second place in MLG. He only stays in Korea while he keeps winning, so he risks nothing and potentially gains a lot (in money and fame) Foreigners wins in all those scenarii. Code A is pretty much worthless, so basically they get a shot at money IF they decide to stay in Korea for a month+ AND IF they get through Code A. Code S is awarded to only one player, and that player can be a Korean. By contrast, getting seeded into the Champion's Bracket gives you a pretty damn good chance of winning money in the three or so days that you're there for MLG. It's great for people like Naniwa who want to go to the GSL anyways. But for most MLG players it's an opportunity that's probably not even going to be used, especially given the skill discrepancy that typically exists at MLG vs GSL. Foreigners win in none of these scenarios, except the one foreigner who gets seeded into Code S *if* he's a foreigner. Yes but you forget the part where they just can go back to US if they lose, without having risked anything. That's a pretty big opportunity for the most talented guys, again with no risk involved.
Where the wheels come off are the fact that, if you're good enough to place well at MLG, then you're probably competing in other online tournaments. The NASL, IPL, etc.. wont want to be played online from Korea because of the lagging issue. Instead, they can stay home and play in optimal conditions.
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It drives me nuts how people try to underplay players achievements in SC2. I am glad IdrA got all that information out there. The top SC2 progamers are very talented and it is time to stop that hate.
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On May 14 2011 09:48 bluestuff wrote:think he was talking specifically about Korean wc3 pros.
oh.. i just tuned in as he was ranting
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awww, I wish kennigit would post those 1/3 
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On May 14 2011 09:47 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2011 09:39 Azarkon wrote:On May 14 2011 09:30 MrCon wrote:On May 14 2011 09:23 Azarkon wrote:
Unfortunately, I have to agree with the SOTG hosts on this issue - it's a huge advantage for GSL players, not so much for MLG players. The opportunity costs are simply not the same. I think they didn't really thought about it from a foreigner perspective : - Place 2 to 4 goes to code A : -- if they lose first round, they can just return to US directly and just spent 2 to 5 days in Korea -- if they lose ro16, they just go back to US after 7 to 10 days (those 2 cases still makes a nice hollidays) -- if th go ro8 or better, then they can actually have a shot in code S, so staying one month has a real point - Place 1 gets to code S : -- same process ; he gets eliminated in group play, he just returns to US, next GSL the next MLG winner will get his spot (he obviously won't play the up and down, they haven't announced the details but I guess it will be like that) -- if he wins group play, he already earned more (or equal ?) than a second place in MLG. He only stays in Korea while he keeps winning, so he risks nothing and potentially gains a lot (in money and fame) Foreigners wins in all those scenarii. Code A is pretty much worthless, so basically they get a shot at money IF they decide to stay in Korea for a month+ AND IF they get through Code A. Code S is awarded to only one player, and that player can be a Korean. By contrast, getting seeded into the Champion's Bracket gives you a pretty damn good chance of winning money in the three or so days that you're there for MLG. It's great for people like Naniwa who want to go to the GSL anyways. But for most MLG players it's an opportunity that's probably not even going to be used, especially given the skill discrepancy that typically exists at MLG vs GSL. Foreigners win in none of these scenarios, except the one foreigner who gets seeded into Code S *if* he's a foreigner. Yes but you forget the part where they just can go back to US if they lose, without having risked anything. That's a pretty big opportunity for the most talented guys, again with no risk involved.
No, I'm not forgetting that part. Code A players can only get into the next season of Code S, so there is a substantial time delay in-between success in Code A and success in Code S. Foreigners are going to have to sacrifice months of time to get into Code S and that's IF they get into Code S. By contrast, Koreans play for three days. It's a big difference and will change how many people are interested.
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Too much drama. Talk about Starcraft 2 
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Yeah, about the Elephant, I was not aware of the past of those 3 players. The sole fact that Idra respects their bw career is enough for me :D
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Yay game talk ! I really don't care about how or why idra was banned, watching to learn about the state of the game.
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Puts up room and board for him. and this is what Dan gets
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On May 14 2011 10:00 VPCursed wrote:
Puts up room and board for him. and this is what Dan gets
My thoughts too....
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On May 14 2011 09:57 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2011 09:47 MrCon wrote:On May 14 2011 09:39 Azarkon wrote:On May 14 2011 09:30 MrCon wrote:On May 14 2011 09:23 Azarkon wrote:
Unfortunately, I have to agree with the SOTG hosts on this issue - it's a huge advantage for GSL players, not so much for MLG players. The opportunity costs are simply not the same. I think they didn't really thought about it from a foreigner perspective : - Place 2 to 4 goes to code A : -- if they lose first round, they can just return to US directly and just spent 2 to 5 days in Korea -- if they lose ro16, they just go back to US after 7 to 10 days (those 2 cases still makes a nice hollidays) -- if th go ro8 or better, then they can actually have a shot in code S, so staying one month has a real point - Place 1 gets to code S : -- same process ; he gets eliminated in group play, he just returns to US, next GSL the next MLG winner will get his spot (he obviously won't play the up and down, they haven't announced the details but I guess it will be like that) -- if he wins group play, he already earned more (or equal ?) than a second place in MLG. He only stays in Korea while he keeps winning, so he risks nothing and potentially gains a lot (in money and fame) Foreigners wins in all those scenarii. Code A is pretty much worthless, so basically they get a shot at money IF they decide to stay in Korea for a month+ AND IF they get through Code A. Code S is awarded to only one player, and that player can be a Korean. By contrast, getting seeded into the Champion's Bracket gives you a pretty damn good chance of winning money in the three or so days that you're there for MLG. It's great for people like Naniwa who want to go to the GSL anyways. But for most MLG players it's an opportunity that's probably not even going to be used, especially given the skill discrepancy that typically exists at MLG vs GSL. Foreigners win in none of these scenarios, except the one foreigner who gets seeded into Code S *if* he's a foreigner. Yes but you forget the part where they just can go back to US if they lose, without having risked anything. That's a pretty big opportunity for the most talented guys, again with no risk involved. No, I'm not forgetting that part. Code A players can only get into the next season of Code S, so there is a substantial time delay in-between success in Code A and success in Code S. Foreigners are going to have to sacrifice months of time to get into Code S and that's IF they get into Code S. By contrast, Koreans play for three days. It's a big difference and will change how many people are interested. I agree, but you know if you failed or not in less than 10 days. If you failed, you just come back and missed nothing (or just a NASL match you had to play with lag).
If you succeed, you stay one month, can win code A (not a lot of money but a lot of fame), then either you qualify for code S, then you can return to US for the 2-4 weeks between GSLs and return to Korea to try code S, or you don't qualify for code S, and you're a young man who just spent a month in Korea for free, training with the best, playing on TV...
Perhaps for the "old guys" like idra (who is young but lived in korea) or tyller this is nothing, but for the typical progamer like morrow, naniwa, thorzain and all this is an awesome opportunity.
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On May 14 2011 10:00 VPCursed wrote:
Puts up room and board for him. and this is what Dan gets
Always trying to stir up drama where there is none. sigh
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I missed what Idra said about the elephant article. Could anyone sumarize? Else I'll just wait for the vod.
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"you'd be surprised" lolol
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On May 14 2011 10:04 rysecake wrote:
I missed what Idra said about the elephant article. Could anyone sumarize? Else I'll just wait for the vod.
Idra: MC, Fruitdealer, and Nestea were much better in BW than the article claims. All the other crappy BW players are crappy SC2 players, so that proves nothing. Koreans are only "slacking off" compared to the slave labor format of Brood War.
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I wish day9 was here to be asked about the progaming rumours.
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What's this sixjax thing they talked about? Can someone link me please?
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On May 14 2011 10:03 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2011 09:57 Azarkon wrote:On May 14 2011 09:47 MrCon wrote:On May 14 2011 09:39 Azarkon wrote:On May 14 2011 09:30 MrCon wrote:On May 14 2011 09:23 Azarkon wrote:
Unfortunately, I have to agree with the SOTG hosts on this issue - it's a huge advantage for GSL players, not so much for MLG players. The opportunity costs are simply not the same. I think they didn't really thought about it from a foreigner perspective : - Place 2 to 4 goes to code A : -- if they lose first round, they can just return to US directly and just spent 2 to 5 days in Korea -- if they lose ro16, they just go back to US after 7 to 10 days (those 2 cases still makes a nice hollidays) -- if th go ro8 or better, then they can actually have a shot in code S, so staying one month has a real point - Place 1 gets to code S : -- same process ; he gets eliminated in group play, he just returns to US, next GSL the next MLG winner will get his spot (he obviously won't play the up and down, they haven't announced the details but I guess it will be like that) -- if he wins group play, he already earned more (or equal ?) than a second place in MLG. He only stays in Korea while he keeps winning, so he risks nothing and potentially gains a lot (in money and fame) Foreigners wins in all those scenarii. Code A is pretty much worthless, so basically they get a shot at money IF they decide to stay in Korea for a month+ AND IF they get through Code A. Code S is awarded to only one player, and that player can be a Korean. By contrast, getting seeded into the Champion's Bracket gives you a pretty damn good chance of winning money in the three or so days that you're there for MLG. It's great for people like Naniwa who want to go to the GSL anyways. But for most MLG players it's an opportunity that's probably not even going to be used, especially given the skill discrepancy that typically exists at MLG vs GSL. Foreigners win in none of these scenarios, except the one foreigner who gets seeded into Code S *if* he's a foreigner. Yes but you forget the part where they just can go back to US if they lose, without having risked anything. That's a pretty big opportunity for the most talented guys, again with no risk involved. No, I'm not forgetting that part. Code A players can only get into the next season of Code S, so there is a substantial time delay in-between success in Code A and success in Code S. Foreigners are going to have to sacrifice months of time to get into Code S and that's IF they get into Code S. By contrast, Koreans play for three days. It's a big difference and will change how many people are interested. I agree, but you know if you failed or not in less than 10 days. If you failed, you just come back and missed nothing (or just a NASL match you had to play with lag). If you succeed, you stay one month, can win code A (not a lot of money but a lot of fame), then either you qualify for code S, then you can return to US for the 2-4 weeks between GSLs and return to Korea to try code S, or you don't qualify for code S, and you're a young man who just spent a month in Korea for free, training with the best, playing on TV... Perhaps for the "old guys" like idra (who is young but lived in korea) or tyller this is nothing, but for the typical progamer like morrow, naniwa, thorzain and all this is an awesome opportunity.
It's a good opportunity for novelty in their pro-gaming lives, but given the competition in Code A, I doubt most of them (esp. if the likes of Idra do not go and the opportunity is relegated to worse placing players) would win anything, whereas the Korean GSL top players have a very good chance of winning something from MLG.
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On May 14 2011 10:04 rysecake wrote:
I missed what Idra said about the elephant article. Could anyone sumarize? Else I'll just wait for the vod.
MC was good in bw, he was 1-9 because he was so talented that they pushed him too soon.
Fruitdealer just hated the slave status, but he was his team ace (iirc)
Nestea wasn't given any opportunity, they made him play 2vs2 and coach
sc2 houses are slacking compared to slave bw house, but they are still training very hard.
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