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ellirc
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3286 Posts
May 14 2011 00:26 GMT
#21061
So much whining. I see that there is an advantage to the koreans, but come on.....Tyler so scared of the koreans it's almost ridiculous.
Absolutionn
Profile Joined October 2010
United States512 Posts
May 14 2011 00:26 GMT
#21062
Woah the first time i've seen kennigit, Its good to put a face to him hehe
Jinro | Idra | Qxc | Select
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-14 00:32:27
May 14 2011 00:30 GMT
#21063
On May 14 2011 09:23 Azarkon wrote:
Unfortunately, I have to agree with the SOTG hosts on this issue - it's a huge advantage for GSL players, not so much for MLG players. The opportunity costs are simply not the same.

I think they didn't really thought about it from a foreigner perspective :
- Place 2 to 4 goes to code A :
-- if they lose first round, they can just return to US directly and just spent 2 to 5 days in Korea
-- if they lose ro16, they just go back to US after 7 to 10 days (those 2 cases still makes a nice hollidays)
-- if th go ro8 or better, then they can actually have a shot in code S, so staying one month has a real point

- Place 1 gets to code S :
-- same process ; he gets eliminated in group play, he just returns to US, next GSL the next MLG winner will get his spot (he obviously won't play the up and down, they haven't announced the details but I guess it will be like that)
-- if he wins group play, he already earned more (or equal ?) than a second place in MLG. He only stays in Korea while he keeps winning, so he risks nothing and potentially gains a lot (in money and fame)

Foreigners wins in all those scenarii.
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
May 14 2011 00:30 GMT
#21064
Geoff's rambling about seeding etc. without really knowing the system.

The same thing he gets upset about when people do it about NASL...
Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
May 14 2011 00:31 GMT
#21065
Omg, Im late, what have i missed?
"losers always whine about their best, Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
May 14 2011 00:31 GMT
#21066
Yeah they're being pretty negative about this. I mean you don't have to take the GSL spot but I'm sure there's a lot of players who would go for such a Code S/A invitation. And more koreans in international tournaments is good imo.
ItsMeDomLee
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2732 Posts
May 14 2011 00:31 GMT
#21067
MLG wants more viewers? Are they going to be able to support them all? You wouldn't think so from Dallas..
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
May 14 2011 00:32 GMT
#21068
Hmmm... they've got some good points, there's a lot of advantage for the koreans, but considering GSL is a month long event, I don't see how it could be done otherwise. Maybe a spot for Up/Down matches, so if they're knocked out they can just leave?

Their attitude however, shows some... fear?? excessive respect? They're sounding like they want worse players, to increase their winning chances. It's logical, but ridiculous from a competitive standpoint.
Looms
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4624 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-14 00:33:25
May 14 2011 00:33 GMT
#21069
On May 14 2011 09:31 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
MLG wants more viewers? Are they going to be able to support them all? You wouldn't think so from Dallas..


You have not read any of MLG's responses post-Dallas.
TicketoHELL
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada368 Posts
May 14 2011 00:33 GMT
#21070
alright if only 4 people from open brackets go to championship bracket then putting 4 koreans + 1 korean from csn invite in open would limit the chance of other people in open bracket which isnt really fair so if they want to put the koreans on open then mlg has to convert to their old format no championship bracket
(づ.ㅡ) 부비적 (ㅡ.ど) 부비적 (づ.ど) 부비부비
doihy
Profile Joined August 2010
668 Posts
May 14 2011 00:33 GMT
#21071
I like how all the pro-gamers don't like that koreans are coming to MLG. They don't want to practice hard to beat them. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
ellirc
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3286 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-14 00:35:21
May 14 2011 00:34 GMT
#21072
On May 14 2011 09:32 mordk wrote:
Hmmm... they've got some good points, there's a lot of advantage for the koreans, but considering GSL is a month long event, I don't see how it could be done otherwise. Maybe a spot for Up/Down matches, so if they're knocked out they can just leave?

Their attitude however, shows some... fear?? excessive respect? They're sounding like they want worse players, to increase their winning chances. It's logical, but ridiculous from a competitive standpoint.

I'd say fear. It's pretty obvious. Also, they are looking way too much in to this - it won't even affect the big picture that much.
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 14 2011 09:33 doihy wrote:
I like how all the pro-gamers don't like that koreans are coming to MLG. They don't want to practice hard to beat them. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Too much Select.
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
May 14 2011 00:34 GMT
#21073
Oh shit here we go!
Soap
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil1546 Posts
May 14 2011 00:35 GMT
#21074
Is IEG the former owner of eSTRO? Indeed really big.
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
May 14 2011 00:36 GMT
#21075
Interesting issue now!.. I think that article is right, but that it doesn't matter right now. The game is young, and it's competitive, and it's gathering viewers. If this were year 2 into SC2, I'd be worried. Great players, as in, bonjwas, are yet to appear and take the game to the next level.
elmizzt
Profile Joined February 2010
United States3309 Posts
May 14 2011 00:36 GMT
#21076
Geoff is right on the money. So true.
d=(^_^)z
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-14 00:42:10
May 14 2011 00:39 GMT
#21077
On May 14 2011 09:30 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2011 09:23 Azarkon wrote:
Unfortunately, I have to agree with the SOTG hosts on this issue - it's a huge advantage for GSL players, not so much for MLG players. The opportunity costs are simply not the same.

I think they didn't really thought about it from a foreigner perspective :
- Place 2 to 4 goes to code A :
-- if they lose first round, they can just return to US directly and just spent 2 to 5 days in Korea
-- if they lose ro16, they just go back to US after 7 to 10 days (those 2 cases still makes a nice hollidays)
-- if th go ro8 or better, then they can actually have a shot in code S, so staying one month has a real point

- Place 1 gets to code S :
-- same process ; he gets eliminated in group play, he just returns to US, next GSL the next MLG winner will get his spot (he obviously won't play the up and down, they haven't announced the details but I guess it will be like that)
-- if he wins group play, he already earned more (or equal ?) than a second place in MLG. He only stays in Korea while he keeps winning, so he risks nothing and potentially gains a lot (in money and fame)

Foreigners wins in all those scenarii.


Code A is pretty much worthless, so basically they get a shot at money IF they decide to stay in Korea for a month+ AND IF they get through Code A. Code S is awarded to only one player, and that player can be a Korean. By contrast, getting seeded into the Champion's Bracket gives you a pretty damn good chance of winning money in the three or so days that you're there for MLG. It's great for people like Naniwa who want to go to the GSL anyways. But for most MLG players it's an opportunity that's probably not even going to be used, especially given the skill discrepancy that typically exists at MLG vs GSL.

Foreigners win in none of these scenarios, except the one foreigner who gets seeded into Code S *if* he's a foreigner.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-14 00:43:17
May 14 2011 00:41 GMT
#21078
i don't see how tyler can say this when he doesn't know how koreans practice. i know how huk practices... thats the only guy i really know how he practices and huk practices like a sonofabitch

and he's not the best but he's very good. and im sure he's not the only one practicing that hard


if his argument is that the sc2 pro scene isn't BIG ENOUGH yet, then that's fair. when the sc2 pro scene is more structured there will be more players playing that hard

I really think it's mostly just because the game is new
Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
May 14 2011 00:42 GMT
#21079
I love you tyler.
Stark1
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada120 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-14 01:07:15
May 14 2011 00:42 GMT
#21080
"Everyone with under 100 posts on TL is a 12 year old retard"

-Geoff Robinson

User was warned for this post

(Don't make shit up plz)
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