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On May 14 2011 10:07 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2011 10:03 MrCon wrote:On May 14 2011 09:57 Azarkon wrote:On May 14 2011 09:47 MrCon wrote:On May 14 2011 09:39 Azarkon wrote:On May 14 2011 09:30 MrCon wrote:On May 14 2011 09:23 Azarkon wrote:
Unfortunately, I have to agree with the SOTG hosts on this issue - it's a huge advantage for GSL players, not so much for MLG players. The opportunity costs are simply not the same. I think they didn't really thought about it from a foreigner perspective : - Place 2 to 4 goes to code A : -- if they lose first round, they can just return to US directly and just spent 2 to 5 days in Korea -- if they lose ro16, they just go back to US after 7 to 10 days (those 2 cases still makes a nice hollidays) -- if th go ro8 or better, then they can actually have a shot in code S, so staying one month has a real point - Place 1 gets to code S : -- same process ; he gets eliminated in group play, he just returns to US, next GSL the next MLG winner will get his spot (he obviously won't play the up and down, they haven't announced the details but I guess it will be like that) -- if he wins group play, he already earned more (or equal ?) than a second place in MLG. He only stays in Korea while he keeps winning, so he risks nothing and potentially gains a lot (in money and fame) Foreigners wins in all those scenarii. Code A is pretty much worthless, so basically they get a shot at money IF they decide to stay in Korea for a month+ AND IF they get through Code A. Code S is awarded to only one player, and that player can be a Korean. By contrast, getting seeded into the Champion's Bracket gives you a pretty damn good chance of winning money in the three or so days that you're there for MLG. It's great for people like Naniwa who want to go to the GSL anyways. But for most MLG players it's an opportunity that's probably not even going to be used, especially given the skill discrepancy that typically exists at MLG vs GSL. Foreigners win in none of these scenarios, except the one foreigner who gets seeded into Code S *if* he's a foreigner. Yes but you forget the part where they just can go back to US if they lose, without having risked anything. That's a pretty big opportunity for the most talented guys, again with no risk involved. No, I'm not forgetting that part. Code A players can only get into the next season of Code S, so there is a substantial time delay in-between success in Code A and success in Code S. Foreigners are going to have to sacrifice months of time to get into Code S and that's IF they get into Code S. By contrast, Koreans play for three days. It's a big difference and will change how many people are interested. I agree, but you know if you failed or not in less than 10 days. If you failed, you just come back and missed nothing (or just a NASL match you had to play with lag). If you succeed, you stay one month, can win code A (not a lot of money but a lot of fame), then either you qualify for code S, then you can return to US for the 2-4 weeks between GSLs and return to Korea to try code S, or you don't qualify for code S, and you're a young man who just spent a month in Korea for free, training with the best, playing on TV... Perhaps for the "old guys" like idra (who is young but lived in korea) or tyller this is nothing, but for the typical progamer like morrow, naniwa, thorzain and all this is an awesome opportunity. It's a good opportunity for novelty in their pro-gaming lives, but given the competition in Code A, I doubt most of them (esp. if the likes of Idra do not go and the opportunity is relegated to worse placing players) would win anything, whereas the Korean GSL top players have a very good chance of winning something from MLG.
Yeah, that I agree, if you compare for both sides.
But if you just look at what you get for a foreigner, that's awesome, and if idra and tyler don't want to go there, I'm pretty sure most progamer will find it awesome.
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Umm what happened with the retarded mods? Seriously? I've had genuine (yet controversial / critical ) posts being BANNED for 10 minutes for literally the only reason that I don't agree with the hosts, come on get a grip, People have differing opinions, get over it.
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On May 14 2011 10:07 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2011 10:04 rysecake wrote:
I missed what Idra said about the elephant article. Could anyone sumarize? Else I'll just wait for the vod. MC was good in bw, he was 1-9 because he was so talented that they pushed him too soon. Fruitdealer just hated the slave status, but he was his team ace (iirc) Nestea wasn't given any opportunity, they made him play 2vs2 and coach sc2 houses are slacking compared to slave bw house, but they are still training very hard.
So in other words, he doesn't agree with the statement that the sc2 scene is a farce, but he didn't propose an opinion on whether tbls would dominate sc2 if they switched?
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On May 14 2011 10:12 rysecake wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2011 10:07 MrCon wrote:On May 14 2011 10:04 rysecake wrote:
I missed what Idra said about the elephant article. Could anyone sumarize? Else I'll just wait for the vod. MC was good in bw, he was 1-9 because he was so talented that they pushed him too soon. Fruitdealer just hated the slave status, but he was his team ace (iirc) Nestea wasn't given any opportunity, they made him play 2vs2 and coach sc2 houses are slacking compared to slave bw house, but they are still training very hard. So in other words, he doesn't agree with the statement that the sc2 scene is a farce, but he didn't propose an opinion on whether tbls would dominate sc2 if they switched?
He didn't refer directly to TBLS, but iirc he stated that BW status is not indicative of SC2 success in any way, and there's no real reason to think it would be.
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Everyone is underestimating Naniwa.
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On May 14 2011 10:11 Sakarabu wrote:Umm what happened with the retarded mods? Seriously? I've had genuine (yet controversial / critical ) posts being BANNED for 10 minutes for literally the only reason that I don't agree with the hosts, come on get a grip, People have differing opinions, get over it. + Show Spoiler +
Is it just cause Gunrun was on and he doesn't realise the format? I dunno, I like gunrun maybe it wasn't him.
Maybe it's because you do stuff like call mods retarded. 
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I'm supposed to wake up at 11 AM for the TSL?? Noooo  I'm a nerd, I can't get up that early on a saturday.
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On May 14 2011 10:16 ellirc wrote:
Everyone is underestimating Naniwa.
Might just be they're tired of betting against Thorzain
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On May 14 2011 10:14 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2011 10:12 rysecake wrote:On May 14 2011 10:07 MrCon wrote:On May 14 2011 10:04 rysecake wrote:
I missed what Idra said about the elephant article. Could anyone sumarize? Else I'll just wait for the vod. MC was good in bw, he was 1-9 because he was so talented that they pushed him too soon. Fruitdealer just hated the slave status, but he was his team ace (iirc) Nestea wasn't given any opportunity, they made him play 2vs2 and coach sc2 houses are slacking compared to slave bw house, but they are still training very hard. So in other words, he doesn't agree with the statement that the sc2 scene is a farce, but he didn't propose an opinion on whether tbls would dominate sc2 if they switched? He didn't refer directly to TBLS, but iirc he stated that BW status is not indicative of SC2 success in any way, and there's no real reason to think it would be.
Interesting point of view. Particularly since every GSL has been dominated by ex sc1 players.
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The more I look at Kennigit, the more I think he looks exactly like Michael Cera. xD
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Very strange that this is on while Idra is casting Nasl over at their channel.
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On May 14 2011 10:17 Azarkon wrote:Might just be they're tired of betting against Thorzain
Might be, they should continue doing that though. For sure 
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On May 14 2011 10:17 rysecake wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2011 10:14 mordk wrote:On May 14 2011 10:12 rysecake wrote:On May 14 2011 10:07 MrCon wrote:On May 14 2011 10:04 rysecake wrote:
I missed what Idra said about the elephant article. Could anyone sumarize? Else I'll just wait for the vod. MC was good in bw, he was 1-9 because he was so talented that they pushed him too soon. Fruitdealer just hated the slave status, but he was his team ace (iirc) Nestea wasn't given any opportunity, they made him play 2vs2 and coach sc2 houses are slacking compared to slave bw house, but they are still training very hard. So in other words, he doesn't agree with the statement that the sc2 scene is a farce, but he didn't propose an opinion on whether tbls would dominate sc2 if they switched? He didn't refer directly to TBLS, but iirc he stated that BW status is not indicative of SC2 success in any way, and there's no real reason to think it would be. Interesting point of view. Particularly since every GSL has been dominated by ex sc1 players.
And the foreign and the Chinese scenes are dominated by WC3 players, by and large.
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Did i miss the amazing announcement that JP was hyping up or is it still coming?
They are nearing shoutouts and i am confused :D
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On May 14 2011 10:19 walklightwhat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2011 10:17 rysecake wrote:On May 14 2011 10:14 mordk wrote:On May 14 2011 10:12 rysecake wrote:On May 14 2011 10:07 MrCon wrote:On May 14 2011 10:04 rysecake wrote:
I missed what Idra said about the elephant article. Could anyone sumarize? Else I'll just wait for the vod. MC was good in bw, he was 1-9 because he was so talented that they pushed him too soon. Fruitdealer just hated the slave status, but he was his team ace (iirc) Nestea wasn't given any opportunity, they made him play 2vs2 and coach sc2 houses are slacking compared to slave bw house, but they are still training very hard. So in other words, he doesn't agree with the statement that the sc2 scene is a farce, but he didn't propose an opinion on whether tbls would dominate sc2 if they switched? He didn't refer directly to TBLS, but iirc he stated that BW status is not indicative of SC2 success in any way, and there's no real reason to think it would be. Interesting point of view. Particularly since every GSL has been dominated by ex sc1 players. And the foreign and the Chinese scenes are dominated by WC3 players, by and large.
sc1 was only ridiculously big in korea.
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On May 14 2011 10:19 KadaverBB wrote:
Did i miss the amazing announcement that JP was hyping up or is it still coming?
They are nearing shoutouts and i am confused :D
The announcement was the MLG/GSL exchange
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On May 14 2011 10:17 rysecake wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2011 10:14 mordk wrote:On May 14 2011 10:12 rysecake wrote:On May 14 2011 10:07 MrCon wrote:On May 14 2011 10:04 rysecake wrote:
I missed what Idra said about the elephant article. Could anyone sumarize? Else I'll just wait for the vod. MC was good in bw, he was 1-9 because he was so talented that they pushed him too soon. Fruitdealer just hated the slave status, but he was his team ace (iirc) Nestea wasn't given any opportunity, they made him play 2vs2 and coach sc2 houses are slacking compared to slave bw house, but they are still training very hard. So in other words, he doesn't agree with the statement that the sc2 scene is a farce, but he didn't propose an opinion on whether tbls would dominate sc2 if they switched? He didn't refer directly to TBLS, but iirc he stated that BW status is not indicative of SC2 success in any way, and there's no real reason to think it would be. Interesting point of view. Particularly since every GSL has been dominated by ex sc1 players.
But he said each of those players who did dominate was actually a fairly decent broodwar player and not the low tier that the article made them out to be.
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Wow, I had missed that, this is a nice pile of shit.
Basically TL is bad because they don't exploit sc2 enough (they should make everyone pay is what he is saying, but as they don't they are bad). Lol Sixjax, this article gives a nice perspective about how their team was created.
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I leave SotG in the background for 1 minute and I hear Incontrol doing Kermit the frog. Wat.
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