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On August 12 2010 18:05 Macavity wrote:
You get nervous because you treat the video game as an ego machine. This is why people rage when they lose. Their ego is too tied up into what happens in the game.
It is not about winning. It is not about losing. It is about playing. The ladder is nonsense anyway and only fools take it seriously.
It doesn't matter if you win or lose, the only thing that matters is that you play.
I actually think this 'forced ladder' for all multiplayer games is a detriment to the experience. If there was no 'ladder', there would be no rage stories from people who lose. The ladder matching us up to people of equal skill level is a joke. Constantly, someone who is gold will be playing against people from silver, platinum, and even some diamond. It is ridiculous.
HOLY FUCKING SHIT! You just blew my mind! I'm going to write that down and post it on the fridge.
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Haha, the post with the "play Zerg and then switch back to Terran and you feel like you own the place" is funny. Are we Zergs really feeling that bad? Naaa, it's just a phase... just a phase...
Although I played on iccup a bit and i kind of got used to the mental block, I still have it in sc2. Guess it's just a personal thing that you should put aside. But music helps to put something different in the focus: Enjoying the time, the music and the game. It's just a big mess that you can't choose your games when you're having a bad day in one match-up...
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For as long as there is difficult competition in the ladder, you'll never get over the general uneasiness when you play. However, there is a way to process the emotions of losing. For me, and I'm serious about this, being manner helps so much.
Saying gl hf at the start of the match puts me in the right frame of mind. However, it's taking two breaths and saying gg at the end of the match that really helps me contextualize losing. Try to never rage quit. Even if someone is being bad mannered to you. Even if they offensive gg. GG for you. Because when you take a deep breath and gg, I've found that it really helps you take the loss and say "ok, I made mistakes, but the other guy still had to take advantage of those mistakes, congrats to him."
Other things I do when I lose is look at the league of the person that beat me. If it's higher or a higher position in my league or some obscene win ratio then it helps me deal with it. Mostly because I know I was outskilled, but that the game feels I'm talented enough to play that competition and have the chance to prove myself.
Also, when I lose I rewatch the replay. Not to see what I did wrong, but to see what the other guy did so right. Especially in mirror matches. I look for interesting build orders, I look for little things I should've noticed that could've tipped me off to what he was doing. I look to see if there were hidden expansions I didn't scout. All sorts of different things so that I increase my general knowledge of what my opponents are doing.
As you can see these are all approaches to take the focus off of you and put it on your opponent and the game circumstances itself. When you lose it's not always you failing, just like when you win it's not always the other guy failing. The more you take the focus off personal failings the better off you'll be in trying to cope with playing and losing because it won't be tied directly to your ego. The last tip is just that if you go on an epic losing streak to take a break, clear your head, and then return instead of tilting. And NEVER BM or rage quit. It really won't make you feel better. Just say GG to the cannon rush or proxy and leave. Waste of a game, but oh well, no one ladder game is that important. Not worth carrying around bad mojo.
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all these people writing "just don't care about losing" - seriously?
yes it is bad when you lose and yes you should be afraid of losing; this is what keeps your mind focussed and helps you to concentrate; remember school/university-exams, did you only once study hard when it really did not matter? eg. if your teacher told you this was a "practice exam" that won't count? playing custom games is nice for trying out new strats but your mind will never be as focussed as when playing ladder;
it's not the fear of losing that's bad but the fact that most people can't deal with it; many will just go like "oh this fucking shit noob abused imba stuff" and won't watch their replays too see which things they could improve in their game; if you don't play and lose you can perfectly delude yourself thinking "I'm actually pretty good, if I just wanted I could own everybody"
no offense, but this is EXACTLY what men do who are afraid of talking to girls: they just stand around in a corner at a party the whole time and in the end go home alone thinking "hmm...I'm a real pimp, if I just wanted I could've had any girl in the room"
playing games doing ridiculous stuff is actually a really good idea, because this way you can start getting used to the fealing of losing without beating yourself up too hard; again, it's the same advice I have given my friends who were too afraid of just talking to girls on the street: "go up to the prettiest girl and just start talking complete nonsense"; this way they will crash and burn several times and get rid of their self-consciousness; this is what you have to achieve: if you want to improve you HAVE to take the game seriously and you should be sour if your opponent was better; the trick is, to not let it get to you in a way that completely messes you up
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As Mr.T would say:
GET SOME NUTS!
It should be fun to play sc2 what's so scary? ;p
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On August 12 2010 14:10 KinD wrote:
Hey everyone, I don't know if you guys can help or give some words of advice/encouragement, but I've been following Team Liquid for a while now and have been in the beta and now own the game. But I'm so frustratingly afraid to press the Find Game button. I'm pretty confident in my ability to play, I'd guess I'm at low Platinum level, pretty decently. I want to become better, but for some reason, I can't sit down and play. Does it get easier? Am i just crazy? I want to improve, but it just seems so terrifying. I don't get angry when I lose, and am a pretty well mannered player, so I just don't get it. Can someone tell me how to get myself to just play the game?-_- Thanks.
Just remember that your opponents don't know who you are, don't care who you are and whatever happens in the game don't really matter. Someone calls you something rude? Who cares, he doesn't know you. He thinks you can't play? Why should you trust someone you have never met and probably will never meet again? I agree with the people that say you should just think "Fuck it!" The worst thing that can happen is that you get one more loss on your record. It's basically the same as when you were (or maybe you are) young and starts to ask girls out. As nervous as you are, at some point you just go for it, and the more times you do it the easier it gets. Ignore the fear and just press the button. Most likely it will go away with time.
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The proper way to ladder in SC2 is to after a win calmly check the stat screen a bit, look up your opponent to check his ladder rank etc, just collect yourself, then hit search again. When you lose, quickly rage quit (might wanna include some bm here) and mash your mouse button really fucking hard and fast on the multiplayer and search button while cussing out b.net 2 for being so god damn slow and ignore the replay and stat screen. It's worked for me so far, but I do get a lot of losing streaks...
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Any time I get fully cheesed by a cannon rush or something stupid I try to strik up a conversation with the other player. Just kind of reminds me that there's another guy just like me on the other side of the screen, or there's a complete tool I shouldn't care about anyway 
Most people will tell you something you need to work on too, so just GG and ask!
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Thanks everyone, I'm gonna listen to that mulan song a couple times, close my eyes after hitting the button, and just try. Hopefully, I'll see you all on the ladder or else I'll be back here -_-.
PS. JP McDaniel?? HES FAMOUS.
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I've always been scared of playing games as well (More so in ICCUP SC1 than SC2). Now, I just hit the button. HIT THE BUTTON! Hit and look at other stuff while its searching lol.
I lost 3 games in a row (PvP 2 ZvP) and now i shall temporarily to Terran which my TvP seems capable for 2 game wins lol. I need to read more build orders, I'm not doing my defenses right lol.
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So,
I played my goal of 10 games today, (i know, low standards) but all of your advice has helped me immeasurably. Hopefully I can keep it up. Btw, I went 3-7 and 1 of the wins doesn't count. But, I learned and am growing, slowly. 20 games tomorrow  . If anyone wants to practice. info: Kind / 809
Thanks again
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I have this problem too, i just remind myself that my opponent will also be a human sitting in a chair in front of a computer screen. and they they will also only start with 6 workers and a base.
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haha I had that problem, the more you play you'll start to get over it, i'd suggest finding a practice group to play with.
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Defeat is nothing to be scared of, what matters is if you can get up after.
-Kaibaman
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On August 12 2010 21:18 nihlon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2010 14:10 KinD wrote:
Hey everyone, I don't know if you guys can help or give some words of advice/encouragement, but I've been following Team Liquid for a while now and have been in the beta and now own the game. But I'm so frustratingly afraid to press the Find Game button. I'm pretty confident in my ability to play, I'd guess I'm at low Platinum level, pretty decently. I want to become better, but for some reason, I can't sit down and play. Does it get easier? Am i just crazy? I want to improve, but it just seems so terrifying. I don't get angry when I lose, and am a pretty well mannered player, so I just don't get it. Can someone tell me how to get myself to just play the game?-_- Thanks. Just remember that your opponents don't know who you are, don't care who you are and whatever happens in the game don't really matter. Someone calls you something rude? Who cares, he doesn't know you. He thinks you can't play? Why should you trust someone you have never met and probably will never meet again? I agree with the people that say you should just think "Fuck it!" The worst thing that can happen is that you get one more loss on your record. It's basically the same as when you were (or maybe you are) young and starts to ask girls out. As nervous as you are, at some point you just go for it, and the more times you do it the easier it gets. Ignore the fear and just press the button. Most likely it will go away with time.
for some people they do know who you are
about half my games the other player goes
"team liquid??" (being that my name is LiquidTravis)
I go "yeah"
they go "oh shit im gonna lose" or w/e
then i lose because they are better than me and i get the addition of feeling like a loser cuz im supposed to be awesome cuz my name has liquid in it LOL
also lots of them just know who i am from the forums
of course this is all fine and good if you're actually awesome like TLO or nony but im not that awesome
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You win some you lose some don't let your record prevent you from playing. It's just a game man. I mean hell, I was going through the same thing so I said to myself "Fuck it Ill play random" And I gotta say its been a blast. I'm learning as I go and I'm testing new shit out. I think it was day[9] who said something along the lines of using the same tactic that your opponent used on you on the next guy. So just play the game and have fun. The only way you'll get better is by playing so do it.
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Yeah just gotta play some games i find some 2v2 with friends to be very relaxing, but sometimes when i ladder especially if its my first game of the day im a little nervous that i wont be in good form and will lose when i shouldn't by forgetting to build workers... small side note i lost my first game yesterday b/c i didnt realize i was supply blocked epic fail. but after a few of these you learn to laugh it off and have fun.
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On August 12 2010 14:15 moopie wrote:
If you are hesitant to run 1v1s, find a friend and run 2v2/3v3/4v4. If you have a good group, team laddering often ends up pretty fun.
I also recommend this. Play a bunch of team games and focus on solid play to shake the rust off.
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I am having the exact same problem :/ I can't bring myself to play 1v1. I am 12-7 in middle Platinum, so it's not like I'm bad at the game or anything... I am better than all of the friends I play with... But I experience so much anxiety about playing 1v1 that I just can't bring myself to do it.
I get too worked up and frustrated over the games, especially when I lose. I don't really look forward to being angry and frustrated and worked up, so I can't bring myself to play. I'm afraid that I will just lose a bunch of games and get really, really angry...
I have no idea how to stop feeling this way =( There's some pretty good advice in this thread, but when I lose, I still feel like... "wow, I suck at this game, I should probably stop playing."
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I'm always getting an adrenaline rush when I play, but I just like it. However, today I played a match against a diamond player that was "even teamed" with me(I was platinum nr.4). I lost and lost alot of points. After that I played a platinum player that was "even teamed" with me(he was platinum rank 2), and lost the match and many points. And after that I played a player that was "even teamed" with me, and he was nr.1 in gold. I lost that one as well. After that I was devastated. I've gone from being nr.4 platinum to 46, and I've gone from being even teamed with diamond to gold league players.
I know most of this was because I had a night shift and only got 4 hours of sleep, so I messed up my builds and just generally played bad, but still, I fear playing more now, because I'm afraid of being demoted to gold, instead of promoted to diamond, which it seemed like I was going to be.
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