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Kralic
Canada2628 Posts
Player a) tells the ref he is Zerg. Player b) tells the ref he is Terran. They make the game on the scheduled map. Player a) selects Zerg. Player b) selects Terran. The game starts. You won't go okay the brackets have these maps and my opponent is this race throughout. Of course if it is say Whitera vs Idra you know it is going to be P v Z all the time. | ||
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kzn
United States1218 Posts
On August 04 2010 07:30 TheYango wrote: That's not the best analogy, given the nature of editing MPQ files. The thing is, if you let someone open the MPQs to change their hotkeys, you run the risk of someone abusing that right and say, changing a texture to make certain units more visible or something. Enforcement is just way easier when all you have to do to ensure no foul play is going on is to copy a clean version of the MPQ, rather than having to check the integrity of all the other game assets contained in the file. Well yes but thats a tournament concern. If you're purely concerned with competitive balance you're not looking at difficulty of enforcement, you're looking at competitive balance. That was all I was saying. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 04 2010 07:30 Kralic wrote: Really people are worried about a blind pick? Player a) tells the ref he is Zerg. Player b) tells the ref he is Terran. They make the game on the scheduled map. Player a) selects Zerg. Player b) selects Terran. The game starts. You won't go okay the brackets have these maps and my opponent is this race throughout. Of course if it is say Whitera vs Idra you know it is going to be P v Z all the time. I think the issue is that lots of us are accustomed to players selecting 1 race for the entire tournament before the event, and not being allowed to change. Racepicking is something a lot of us haven't seen in a while, so the rules to ensure that it's fair are unfamiliar to us. On August 04 2010 07:32 kzn wrote: Well yes but thats a tournament concern. If you're purely concerned with competitive balance you're not looking at difficulty of enforcement, you're looking at competitive balance. That was all I was saying. Well I mean, preventing people from cheating sort of factors into "balance". | ||
MLG_Lee
279 Posts
Locking in races in subsequent games of the series means you don't get to throw a cheese strat in the first one (unless you can play that race well enough to win out). Hopefully that clears it up. Thanks for the healthy debate here, folks, we're definitely open to feedback on our rules and have a history of listening to the community. We have actually thought about this though, so if you see something that you think is really stupid, odds are we have a reason for it. If it is just an oversight on our part, well... then you get to call me stupid. But only until I fix it. At which point, you're stupid if you keep calling me stupid, etc, etc, etc. | ||
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GenocideRun
United States262 Posts
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Mannerheim
766 Posts
On August 04 2010 06:35 Baarn wrote: Are you sponsored by a competitor of doritos, hot pockets or dr. pepper? That's not the point. What if MLG adds AMD as a sponsor at some point, then players sponsored by Intel wouldn't be able to wear their colors and get a sponsored trip to the event. Same applies to any current or future sponsor of any pro gaming team or player. This rule will mean trouble sooner or later, to no ones benefit. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 04 2010 07:34 Mannerheim wrote: That's not the point. What if MLG adds AMD as a sponsor at some point, then players sponsored by Intel wouldn't be able to wear their colors and get a sponsored trip to the event. Same applies to any current or future sponsor of any pro gaming team or player. This rule will mean trouble sooner or later, to no ones benefit. If it's potentially troublesome, it would have come up as an issue in relation to MLG's other events already. As it stands, I'm inclined to believe that since it hasn't been an issue for other games, it shouldn't be an issue now. | ||
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shavi
United States127 Posts
On August 04 2010 07:32 kzn wrote: Well yes but thats a tournament concern. If you're purely concerned with competitive balance you're not looking at difficulty of enforcement, you're looking at competitive balance. That was all I was saying. I'm not sure I really understand how only allowing settings that blizzard put in the game outside of the realm of competitive balance. What game allows you to edit files outside of the game for competitive play? edit: well that's what I get for talking. D: | ||
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Leeoku
1617 Posts
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kzn
United States1218 Posts
On August 04 2010 07:37 iShA. wrote: I'm not sure I really understand how only allowing settings that blizzard put in the game outside of the realm of competitive balance. What game allows you to edit files outside of the game for competitive play? I can't think of one. Pretty sure you can bring your own autoexec.cfg to cs tournaments. There's no difference, as far as competitive balance is concerned, between editing settings within the game or editing the relevant files outside of the game. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 04 2010 07:37 Leeoku wrote: i think this is why many players dont like mlg What's the purpose of this ambiguous, unconstructive, incendiary statement? | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On August 04 2010 07:37 iShA. wrote: I'm not sure I really understand how only allowing settings that blizzard put in the game outside of the realm of competitive balance. What game allows you to edit files outside of the game for competitive play? I can't think of one. Practically every pc fps... I can't imagine the outcry if quake players couldn't use their own configs at lans. The game is hardly even playable at a high level with some settings that you can't change using the menus. | ||
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PokePill
United States1048 Posts
On August 04 2010 07:37 iShA. wrote: I'm not sure I really understand how only allowing settings that blizzard put in the game outside of the realm of competitive balance. What game allows you to edit files outside of the game for competitive play? I can't think of one. I can think of one, Warcraft 3. The only difference is the file, which really functions almost identically to War3, is stored in an MPQ archive now. | ||
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Mannerheim
766 Posts
On August 04 2010 07:36 TheYango wrote: If it's potentially troublesome, it would have come up as an issue in relation to MLG's other events already. As it stands, I'm inclined to believe that since it hasn't been an issue for other games, it shouldn't be an issue now. MLG hasn't featured games that have a significant competitive presence outside the organization before, SC2 is a whole new scenario. | ||
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CrunCher
United States192 Posts
And for hotkeys, at Blizzard LANS they allow you to change the WC3 custom.txt file for hotkeys, and WCG does too | ||
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Crushgroove
United States793 Posts
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HuK
Canada1591 Posts
On August 04 2010 06:48 Sputty wrote: Lz is sponsored by the Heart and Stroke Foundation LOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLL wow sir *golf clap* well played well played | ||
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iEchoic
United States1776 Posts
On August 04 2010 07:41 Crushgroove wrote: To the OP, a consensus, by definition, is general. "General consensus" is redundant. You must be a blast at parties. | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
On August 04 2010 06:44 MLG_Lee wrote: PS2 hardware, when repeatedly plugged in and out (like over the course of the tournament day) will also short out the motherboard resulting in dead tournament PCs. That's why this rule is in place. are you allowed to use a ps2<->usb adapter for a ps2 keyboard? | ||
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crate
United States2474 Posts
On August 04 2010 07:39 Mannerheim wrote: MLG hasn't featured games that have a significant competitive presence outside the organization before, SC2 is a whole new scenario. You could (I would) argue for SSBM. Granted, it certainly wasn't as big before MLG, but it was definitely around before MLG picked it up. | ||
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