EPTOn August 04 2010 06:42 prodiG wrote:
Starcraft is not a game where players press 5 keys at once.
Starcraft is not a game where players press 5 keys at once.
It most certainly could be. Why is rebooting such an issue?
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kzn
United States1218 Posts
It most certainly could be. Why is rebooting such an issue? | ||
MLG_Lee
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On August 04 2010 06:41 kzn wrote: Given that you cannot achieve n-key rollover with USB equipment I'd say thats a small price to pay compared to forcing players to use equipment in a suboptimal fashion. PS2 hardware, when repeatedly plugged in and out (like over the course of the tournament day) will also short out the motherboard resulting in dead tournament PCs. That's why this rule is in place. | ||
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itmeJP
United States1101 Posts
On August 04 2010 06:40 Senx wrote: It's a shame you didn't take the opportunity to use some of the more balance maps, ex SC:BW remakes for example. No ones saying these maps are set in stone for future events, but at the moment the map-making scene is so new that we didn't want to adopt any new maps and stick only with the Blizzard ones. | ||
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MLG_Lee
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kzn
United States1218 Posts
On August 04 2010 06:44 MLG_Lee wrote: PS2 hardware, when repeatedly plugged in and out (like over the course of the tournament day) will also short out the motherboard resulting in dead tournament PCs. That's why this rule is in place. Even with rebooting? At least that makes sense :/ [edit] o hey im a dragoon | ||
Myles
United States5162 Posts
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Puosu
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On August 04 2010 06:42 prodiG wrote: Starcraft is not a game where players press 5 keys at once. Yes it is. High APM players will suffer from this if they're used to a keyboard with proper rollover. There are some USB keyboards that do offer a high amount of multiple keypresses afaik. but they're 1) Expensive as fuck 2) Not as good as mechanical PS2 keyboards. If it truly does kill motherboards then I can definitely understand MLG not wanting to use them but it's still a shame. | ||
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prodiG
Canada2016 Posts
On August 04 2010 06:43 kzn wrote: It most certainly could be. Why is rebooting such an issue? Time constraints, hardware and software configurations being lost, changed or overwritten, etc is my guess. And I can't think of any scenario where I'd be pressing enough keys to butcher my n-key rollover. I play on an abs m1, which doesn't have n-key rollover and I've certainly never had a problem in SC. (I have however in cod4 where i need to press W+E+D+2 simultaneously :< ) On August 04 2010 06:47 Puosu wrote: Yes it is. High APM players will suffer from this. There are some USB keyboards that do offer a high amount of multiple keypresses afaik. but they're 1) Expensive as fuck 2) Not as good as mechanical PS2 keyboards. If it truly does kill motherboards then I can definitely understand MLG not wanting to use them but it's still a shame. I agree, however usb should be fine. 300apm is 5 actions per second which is average 200ms between actions. A standard 500hz polling rate USB port will poll every 2ms, which is plenty enough time to catch each action as it comes in. | ||
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Kisra
United Kingdom466 Posts
16. If all Minerals on the Map have been consumed and no Units or Structures have been killed for 5 minutes, the Game will be replayed. This one worries me a little. If Terran against anyone gets into a base race, and only has a barracks left - the other person with the majority of their ground-based army running around but unable to build new stuff - the Terran can force a rematch despite being unable to make a realistic comeback? I'd probably look into making it a situational thing. I just imagine it'll be very annoying for the person who couldn't snipe the barracks, as they'd no doubt feel they'd won, while the Terran was just scraping a draw. | ||
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MICHELLE
Korea (South)199 Posts
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Sputty
Canada161 Posts
On August 04 2010 06:35 Baarn wrote: Are you sponsored by a competitor of doritos, hot pockets or dr. pepper? Lz is sponsored by the Heart and Stroke Foundation | ||
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On August 04 2010 06:41 kzn wrote: Given that you cannot achieve n-key rollover with USB equipment I'd say thats a small price to pay compared to forcing players to use equipment in a suboptimal fashion. Use a ps/2 to usb cable if you have a keyboard that doesn't have a usb connector. $5 brings your old keyboard into line with the rule. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
As browder said in an interview, ladder maps aren't supposed to be used in tournaments... they're not designed for it. | ||
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kzn
United States1218 Posts
On August 04 2010 06:47 prodiG wrote: Time constraints, hardware and software configurations being lost, changed or overwritten, etc is my guess. And I can't think of any scenario where I'd be pressing enough keys to butcher my n-key rollover. I play on an abs m1, which doesn't have n-key rollover and I've certainly never had a problem in SC. (I have however in cod4 where i need to press W+E+D+2 simultaneously :< ) I suppose it depends on what a keyboard defines as simultaneous. You can certainly hit 5 different keys extremely rapidly in certain situations. I can think of a couple off the top of my head but I'm not entirely sure how rollover works with alt/shift/ctrl and space so I don't know if cheaper keyboards would actually fail in those situations. Use a ps/2 to usb cable if you have a keyboard that doesn't have a usb connector. $5 brings your old keyboard into line with the rule. And removes n-key rollover capability, which is the entire point of using PS/2. | ||
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Puosu
6994 Posts
On August 04 2010 06:48 Baarn wrote: Use a ps/2 to usb cable if you have a keyboard that doesn't have a usb connector. $5 brings your old keyboard into line with the rule. Using the USB port kills the proper n-key rollover because the USB is limited, fortunately in SC2 there's no actions that always require 5 keys but it's rather something you just need to get used to not doing. It shouldn't be too much of a problem. | ||
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MLG_Lee
279 Posts
On August 04 2010 06:47 prodiG wrote: Time constraints, hardware and software configurations being lost, changed or overwritten, etc is my guess. And I can't think of any scenario where I'd be pressing enough keys to butcher my n-key rollover. I play on an abs m1, which doesn't have n-key rollover and I've certainly never had a problem in SC. (I have however in cod4 where i need to press W+E+D+2 simultaneously :< ) You nailed it. Constantly rebooting the machine will interrupt tournament flow. We tried this with WoW (requiring reboots for PS2 gear) but players forget. We had 2 Blackbirds die in one tournament from the same person because of this, and lost 3 total in that one event. Changing a mobo at an event is NOT fun. And we can only stock so many spare full computers. Sorry guys, I know this one is an issue, but replacing gear gets expensive. There's FIVE tractor trailers of gear that travels around the US with the MLG Pro Circuit. And they're jammed to the gills. We have to deal with logistics issues here that rival SC2 Macro ;p | ||
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kzn
United States1218 Posts
On August 04 2010 06:50 MLG_Lee wrote: We tried this with WoW (requiring reboots for PS2 gear) but players forget. We had 2 Blackbirds die in one tournament from the same person because of this, and lost 3 total in that one event. WHO WAS IT i bet it was yog | ||
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MICHELLE
Korea (South)199 Posts
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unit
United States2621 Posts
edit: and since your on the east coast have you considered dropping by the DC area and throwing another tourney there? ^___^ | ||
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MLG_Lee
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