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-Frog-
United States514 Posts
On August 05 2010 08:40 Backpack wrote: I don't think it's a bad decision, and neither does MLG. That's what matters. No, you're hoping to win the tourney because the strongest NA players weren't able to enter. That is your only reason and your only motive to argue the point. It's pretty sad. | ||
MLG_Lee
279 Posts
Your points are all valid, but you're also missing MLG's perspective. The intent of open registration is enable ANYONE who wants to come to an MLG to be able to come and compete. But as with WoW and Halo, the matches we broadcast are of the pro's. MLG's about making competitive gaming as big and as mainstream and as broad as we can make it. When a game goes on the Pro Circuit, it's because it's one that we believe we can help make that a reality. SC2 perhaps needs the least help of any title we've hosted, and I certainly don't need to tell you that. But not being true to our roots is NOT MLG's way of doing things. Not asking you to assume we're going to get it right, or trust us or any other nonsense. Just asking that you watch and see what we do. Totally open and willing to listen to criticisms (or praise, as rare as that is in our world :D). Stay tuned, we'll be announcing shortly a few interesting items. | ||
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itmeJP
United States1101 Posts
On August 05 2010 11:54 MLG_Lee wrote: RE: all the open registration criticisms. Your points are all valid, but you're also missing MLG's perspective. The intent of open registration is enable ANYONE who wants to come to an MLG to be able to come and compete. But as with WoW and Halo, the matches we broadcast are of the pro's. MLG's about making competitive gaming as big and as mainstream and as broad as we can make it. When a game goes on the Pro Circuit, it's because it's one that we believe we can help make that a reality. SC2 perhaps needs the least help of any title we've hosted, and I certainly don't need to tell you that. But not being true to our roots is NOT MLG's way of doing things. Not asking you to assume we're going to get it right, or trust us or any other nonsense. Just asking that you watch and see what we do. Totally open and willing to listen to criticisms (or praise, as rare as that is in our world :D). Stay tuned, we'll be announcing shortly a few interesting items. Operation hype is a go. | ||
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holy_war
United States3590 Posts
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c.Deadly
United States545 Posts
I think the rules look fine. I hope you reconsider the map pool before your next open tournament, and some of the rules regarding equipment/SC2 settings could use further clarification and specificity. Jinro already brought up all the questions I have with those rules - On August 05 2010 00:13 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Why? Can I change things like HP bars being always on or not, or building grids? What does this mean? I can't change settings in the game, or I can't use 3rd party tools to modify the UI? Can I change mouse sensitivity in game? Im pretty sure I wouldnt be able to play properly if I didn't get to change my mouse sensitivity (the one in game - the default is set extremely low). I played in a tournament the other day, and changing all the settings to what I like, took like 30 seconds before each game - I don't see how it's a problem. I might go as a spectator since I will be in Raleigh this August, any other TLers going? And are spectator passes something that sells out, will I need to purchase it soon? | ||
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MLG_Lee
279 Posts
Why? Can I change things like HP bars being always on or not, or building grids? Look for clarification on these questions early next week. What does this mean? I can't change settings in the game, or I can't use 3rd party tools to modify the UI? You definitely can't use 3rd party tools or directly edit the config files. You can change UI and game settings in the game. Just not Video/graphics settings from the settings we're going to be using on all gaming rigs (These will be released next week). Can I change mouse sensitivity in game? Im pretty sure I wouldnt be able to play properly if I didn't get to change my mouse sensitivity (the one in game - the default is set extremely low). You can change the mouse sensitivity. That would be extra-ordinarily stupid if you couldn't ;p And are spectator passes something that sells out, will I need to purchase it soon? You can get spec passes at the door, but depending on when you arrive, I would recommend buying them online so that you can just pick them up (as opposed to having to wait in line to purchase). | ||
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0mar
United States567 Posts
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RandomBS
United States130 Posts
On August 05 2010 13:08 0mar wrote: okay, now I know why MLG is a joke. And no wonder they never caught in the CS community, CEVO, CAL, CPL and ESEA all have much better systems than MLG does. That's why CPL and CAL went bankrupt right | ||
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Backpack
United States1776 Posts
On August 05 2010 11:25 frog HERO wrote: No, you're hoping to win the tourney because the strongest NA players weren't able to enter. That is your only reason and your only motive to argue the point. It's pretty sad. It's pretty sad that you jump to that conclusion. Everyone had an equal opportunity to join, even the strongest NA players. I've stated multiple times i'm going to go play no matter what, I just don't like the thought of it being open registration at first and then maybe being changed because people complained about not getting in. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On August 05 2010 12:37 MLG_Lee wrote: Sorry -- just saw this: Why? Can I change things like HP bars being always on or not, or building grids? Look for clarification on these questions early next week. What does this mean? I can't change settings in the game, or I can't use 3rd party tools to modify the UI? You definitely can't use 3rd party tools or directly edit the config files. You can change UI and game settings in the game. Just not Video/graphics settings from the settings we're going to be using on all gaming rigs (These will be released next week). Can I change mouse sensitivity in game? Im pretty sure I wouldnt be able to play properly if I didn't get to change my mouse sensitivity (the one in game - the default is set extremely low). You can change the mouse sensitivity. That would be extra-ordinarily stupid if you couldn't ;p well, not being able to change hp bars/building grids/gamma and other settings that might fall under video or graphics settings would be almost as stupid, things like that can have just as big of an effect on the play. the graphics settings themselves, actually, can have a bigger effect. the game looks very different on low vs ultra settings and if you're used to one or the other it will definitely cause problems in your play if you cant adjust it. i dont really see any reason to not allow players to change any in game settings. | ||
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stafu
Australia1196 Posts
Yuck. How does a competitive gaming organisation like MLG not invest at the least in 120Hz LCDs? Also, re: open registration, you mention that you only broadcast games of the 'pros'. The problem is, how many of these 32 players who had the best luck on clicking refresh at the right time are going to be pros? I would wager zero. | ||
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
On August 05 2010 07:54 Ryuu314 wrote: Rule 16 of the gameplay rules seem kinda iffy to me. Although it's very rare that such a situation would ever happen and this might even be a non-issue, I can still see many cases where that really shouldn't be the case. Such as the Stork v. GGPlay game like 2 years ago that lasted like...90 minutes. At the end of the game, the entire map was mined out and nothing was being killed, but that idle time was actually extremely important for Stork. He was using that time to recharge all his shields and energy before making a final push to eliminate GGPlay. If rule 16 was in place, Stork would never have won that game. The game I'm referring to is this one: Rule should be modified or a new rule made to include no player is capable of ending the game (i.e. has units that can harm the other opponents buildings). But that would require decision making on the refs part or explicitly write out a long list of conditions. A lot of terran lift off draws don't always have the map mined out. But I think this rule is mostly so players don't try to drag it out pointlessly (e.g. they both need superior positioning to win the last battle, but neither are moving to lose it). | ||
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
On August 05 2010 14:01 stafu wrote: Yuck. How does a competitive gaming organisation like MLG not invest at the least in 120Hz LCDs? Also, re: open registration, you mention that you only broadcast games of the 'pros'. The problem is, how many of these 32 players who had the best luck on clicking refresh at the right time are going to be pros? I would wager zero. Well I *think* players who placed high in the last event are automatically given a spot for the next one. So... basically you got to start somewhere. It will work itself out. | ||
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Runnin
208 Posts
On August 05 2010 13:08 0mar wrote: okay, now I know why MLG is a joke. And no wonder they never caught in the CS community, CEVO, CAL, CPL and ESEA all have much better systems than MLG does. It MIGHT have something to do with MLG never even trying to host CS? Also I'd take hosting tournaments with your whining over going bankrupt and meeting your lofty expectations any day. People need to remember this is MLG's FIRST SC tournament and only the 2nd PC title that they've used. The resources that they have right now probably aren't ideal but breaking the bank to host a tournament of korean standards isn't viable. Maybe if SC2 catches on in North America you can start to expect Kespa quality tournaments, but right now the money is just not there and you'll have to wait until SC2 starts proving it can bring in income for MLG before they can get it perfect. | ||
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On August 05 2010 14:21 Ownos wrote: Rule should be modified or a new rule made to include no player is capable of ending the game (i.e. has units that can harm the other opponents buildings). But that would require decision making on the refs part or explicitly write out a long list of conditions. A lot of terran lift off draws don't always have the map mined out. But I think this rule is mostly so players don't try to drag it out pointlessly (e.g. they both need superior positioning to win the last battle, but neither are moving to lose it). A lift off draw is more of a situation where the match should be replayed if neither players wishes to engage. | ||
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MLG_Lee
279 Posts
On August 05 2010 14:31 Runnin wrote: It MIGHT have something to do with MLG never even trying to host CS? Also I'd take hosting tournaments with your whining over going bankrupt and meeting your lofty expectations any day. People need to remember this is MLG's FIRST SC tournament and only the 2nd PC title that they've used. The resources that they have right now probably aren't ideal but breaking the bank to host a tournament of korean standards isn't viable. Maybe if SC2 catches on in North America you can start to expect Kespa quality tournaments, but right now the money is just not there and you'll have to wait until SC2 starts proving it can bring in income for MLG before they can get it perfect. I love the TL community. | ||
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On August 05 2010 12:37 MLG_Lee wrote: Sorry -- just saw this: Why? Can I change things like HP bars being always on or not, or building grids? Look for clarification on these questions early next week. What does this mean? I can't change settings in the game, or I can't use 3rd party tools to modify the UI? You definitely can't use 3rd party tools or directly edit the config files. You can change UI and game settings in the game. Just not Video/graphics settings from the settings we're going to be using on all gaming rigs (These will be released next week). Can I change mouse sensitivity in game? Im pretty sure I wouldnt be able to play properly if I didn't get to change my mouse sensitivity (the one in game - the default is set extremely low). You can change the mouse sensitivity. That would be extra-ordinarily stupid if you couldn't ;p And are spectator passes something that sells out, will I need to purchase it soon? You can get spec passes at the door, but depending on when you arrive, I would recommend buying them online so that you can just pick them up (as opposed to having to wait in line to purchase). When you have a chance could you rephrase all of this because it's very confusing? Hp bars and building grids are settings in the option menu and have nothing to do with altering the hardware driver. At the top you said you need clarification but afterward in the following section you lead on to that changing any of that would be fine. | ||
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Looms
United States4624 Posts
On August 05 2010 13:29 IdrA wrote: well, not being able to change hp bars/building grids/gamma and other settings that might fall under video or graphics settings would be almost as stupid, things like that can have just as big of an effect on the play. the graphics settings themselves, actually, can have a bigger effect. the game looks very different on low vs ultra settings and if you're used to one or the other it will definitely cause problems in your play if you cant adjust it. i dont really see any reason to not allow players to change any in game settings. idra basically nails it here. When I read this statement from Lee, "That would be extra-ordinarily stupid if you couldn't ;p," it made me think about how MLG is going to realize how stupid some of their current rules actually are after going through this first tour stop. I literally shot a bit of saliva on my monitor in laughter in immediate reaction to Lee's post. Regarding video and sound settings, you simply have to let the user pick his own preferences; this is how it is in PC gaming, especially at a "professional" level. I quoted professional in the previous sentence, because this initial event will be anything but professional. I'm happy to see at least a few known people got passes (i.e. joseki), but the promises of epics matches between top players are just wishful thinking for true SC2 fans. Unfortunately, I think that most of the games will be lopsided lulzfests, analogous to Backpack's struggle to form an argument in this thread. Also, I'm a bit surprised that no one has quoted this yet, or maybe I just missed it... 2010 Pro Circuit Registration: StarCraft 2 Events 1. Players who finish in the top 16 of an Event will be given a Reserved Player Pass for the StarCraft 2 Event at the next Pro Circuit Competition. So finishing in the top 50% guarantees you a pass for the next tour stop if you wish to accept it? Unless you expand the field, seeing only 16 new faces will be extremely meh. | ||
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Australia7069 Posts
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Gentlebite
United States132 Posts
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