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kzn
United States1218 Posts
Does the blind race pick occur before or after the first map has been announced? Personally I think it should only be allowed to happen before, otherwise you're giving players who can play multiple races an advantage because they can pick their race on the basis of a map-specific racial imbalance. Honestly you should just lock races for the entire event. You could easily offer the option of picking "random p/z" or similar and enforce the randomness with coin flips anyway. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On August 04 2010 22:57 kzn wrote: Here's a question that hasn't been answered: Does the blind race pick occur before or after the first map has been announced? Personally I think it should only be allowed to happen before, otherwise you're giving players who can play multiple races an advantage because they can pick their race on the basis of a map-specific racial imbalance. Honestly you should just lock races for the entire event. You could easily offer the option of picking "random p/z" or similar and enforce the randomness with coin flips anyway. Blind race pick just means that the ref won't "reveal" the other players' race. It doesn't mean that the ref actually picks the race. That's what I thought too, at first. :| | ||
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kzn
United States1218 Posts
If you know what map is coming up the ability to pick your race is an advantage to all players who can multi-race, on top of the basic advantages that provides by default. | ||
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jamesr12
United States1549 Posts
On August 05 2010 00:00 kzn wrote: Yes I know but does it occur before the refs announce the first map for the match? If you know what map is coming up the ability to pick your race is an advantage to all players who can multi-race, on top of the basic advantages that provides by default. does this really matter? is any good player multi racing? | ||
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kzn
United States1218 Posts
[edit] Not to mention you wouldn't even have to be good on a particular race to do it. Say you're a T playing someone who only plays P. First map is Desert Oasis - if I wasn't confident of my ability to beat him properly on DO I'd pick P and do a gas steal into void ray "cheese". So, I win, I'm not allowed to switch my race for next game. He picks some map, whatever, I lose cause I'm P. I can now choose the map, I choose whatever map favors T most over P, and proceed to 2-1 partially by virtue of cheesing with a race I'm not particularly good with. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
3. Mice and keyboards must utilize standard USB interfaces. Players may not use PS2 interface equipment. Satisfactorily explained. 7. Players may not change the Computer/Monitor sound and video settings. Why? Can I change things like HP bars being always on or not, or building grids? 8. All User Interface setups will be confined to the Blizzard default options. What does this mean? I can't change settings in the game, or I can't use 3rd party tools to modify the UI? Can I change mouse sensitivity in game? Im pretty sure I wouldnt be able to play properly if I didn't get to change my mouse sensitivity (the one in game - the default is set extremely low). I played in a tournament the other day, and changing all the settings to what I like, took like 30 seconds before each game - I don't see how it's a problem. 2. Players may not appear on a Station with sponsor insignia that is not approved by MLG or conflicts with MLG sponsors. Players and Coaches may be asked to wear MLG apparel for all Matches. I guess this depends on what the process for being approved is - it's kinda shitty if you can't represent your sponsors at a big event however. 8. Referees will conduct a Blind Pick of Races for Game 1 of a Match Why? So if someone plays PvT PvZ TvP you want to penalize him or something? I don't get it. Meh, almost nobody race switches but I don't see the need for a blind pick. If someone is good enough with several races to counter pick, then let them. I guess it's trying to avoid a stupid situation where both players keep changing their race perpetually? 10. Players who quit out of a Game before it has ended, without Referee’s permission, will lose the Game. ???? What? I can't quit the game after I say GG? | ||
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RifleCow
Canada637 Posts
On August 05 2010 00:13 Liquid`Jinro wrote: ???? What? I can't quit the game after I say GG? This just means the first one to quit the game loses. | ||
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[-Bluewolf-]
United States609 Posts
On August 05 2010 00:13 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Why? So if someone plays PvT PvZ TvP you want to penalize him or something? I don't get it. Player A is your setup. Player B is PvP, ZvT, TvZ Make both happy without blind pick. :p Other situations are possible as well. For the most part, a matchup picker should know his opponent's race as very few players can play multiple races anyway. Except for a complete unknown in the first round of a tournament, it is safe most of the time to assume a player will pick the same race they played their first tournament match as. If both players are matchup pickers and their matches do overlap, they could still just agree on their race picks as well. I really like rules 8 and 9 as they seem quite fair. It allows someone who is able to play two races well to have an advantage (as they should for that ability, people really like TLO for creative play with multiple races). At the same time, it helps to limit the amount of abuse one can do with maps / matchups by forcing the winner to stay the same race. Seems balanced. | ||
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On August 05 2010 00:33 RifleCow wrote: This just means the first one to quit the game loses. That's a funny way to state it  But I guess it makes sense. I think I only read it as "Players can't quit the game without referees permission". | ||
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Bob300
United States505 Posts
Or they are hiding that so people can't prepare for who they are gonna vs. | ||
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Kralic
Canada2628 Posts
From what I have gathered when watching MLG is that the qualifiers are not really streamed anyway. You will get the big events every 3 months or so that will be worthwhile to tune into. If you don't like their format then don't bother with it, there are plenty of other tournaments out there(this will be a league). I like what MLG has done for E-sports in NA. If SC2 gets a lot of viewership in MLG it will grow by leaps and bounds. MLG is owned by ESPN iirc. | ||
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lightrise
United States1355 Posts
On August 05 2010 01:24 Kralic wrote: Frankly I don't see what all the fuss is about who is playing in the first qualifier. If they are good they will move on. A league like this has to start out somewhere, it doesn't instantly have the best of the best duking it out in qualifiers. All of their other games started out this way and now the competition in them is very good. From what I have gathered when watching MLG is that the qualifiers are not really streamed anyway. You will get the big events every 3 months or so that will be worthwhile to tune into. If you don't like their format then don't bother with it, there are plenty of other tournaments out there(this will be a league). I like what MLG has done for E-sports in NA. If SC2 gets a lot of viewership in MLG it will grow by leaps and bounds. MLG is owned by ESPN iirc. OK please please please can people stop calling it a fucking "qualifier". This tournament is a tournament not a qualifier. A qualifier is something that places you into a tournament with a price pool which is what we have at hand here. The end of the year championship is just a final tournament. These tournaments really don't affect the championship as long as your one of the "top" gamers you will get a spot at the end of the year. The big event every 3 months your talking about... this is it dude. The is MLG Raleigh. It will be a huge event not a damn qualifier. This event will most likely be streamed on mlgpro.com just like all the other tournaments going on Since this is a tournament in the competitive SC2 scene and one of the first LAN tournaments we were all expecting to see the best of the best come duke it out on LAN. We don't want to watch some random get roflstomped by 1 good player and take down the tournament it would be pointless. Obviously MLG can see they need to have an invite system like they do for WoW for this tourney or make it a way bigger bracket. I hope they will re-open the ticket sales so our beloved top tier players can bash each other in at this LAN. | ||
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Backpack
United States1776 Posts
What about Silver in the ESL? Nobody had ever heard of him. + Show Spoiler + He took out IdrA, QXC, HuK etc. etc. Unknown players do not = bad players | ||
Takkara
United States2503 Posts
On August 05 2010 04:10 Backpack wrote: Why is everyone assuming its just a bunch of bads? What about Silver in the ESL? Nobody had ever heard of him. + Show Spoiler + He took out IdrA, QXC, HuK etc. etc. Unknown players do not = bad players Partly because of first-come-first-serve and partly because of stuff like this: http://www.mlgpro.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7349645&postcount=17 My gold friend got a pass for kicks and giggles and is just going to try to 6 pool every round to make his point of how bad the system is... is that clear enough for you? | ||
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f0rk
England172 Posts
On August 05 2010 04:10 Backpack wrote: Why is everyone assuming its just a bunch of bads? What about Silver in the ESL? Nobody had ever heard of him. + Show Spoiler + He took out IdrA, QXC, HuK etc. etc. Unknown players do not = bad players Exactly, he did this in an online qualifier cup. Not one of the first big LAN events for a game. The point of these online qualifiers is to ensure quality at ESLs LAN events, and is a vastly better system than open registration. Everyone talks about 'testing the waters'. You should test the waters with the current best players in the region. These people win the money because they are the best in the region. If you don't believe that, step the fuck up in the countless $100 online events that they all take part in instead of taking a place in such a big event as an MLG tour stop. These things do get you recognized and earn you invites. This is a first for ESL as well and they have 2 events this month, both with more prize money and a real player selection system. This isn't 'just a qualifier for the championship', as an above poster said this is one of their big events in the year and the player pool should reflect that. | ||
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Backpack
United States1776 Posts
They are "testing the waters" by seeing if lots of people want to play it. Inviting all the pro's won't give them any info about how popular it is. | ||
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Kralic
Canada2628 Posts
On August 05 2010 04:04 lightrise wrote: OK please please please can people stop calling it a fucking "qualifier". This tournament is a tournament not a qualifier. A qualifier is something that places you into a tournament with a price pool which is what we have at hand here. The end of the year championship is just a final tournament. These tournaments really don't affect the championship as long as your one of the "top" gamers you will get a spot at the end of the year. The big event every 3 months your talking about... this is it dude. The is MLG Raleigh. It will be a huge event not a damn qualifier. This event will most likely be streamed on mlgpro.com just like all the other tournaments going on Since this is a tournament in the competitive SC2 scene and one of the first LAN tournaments we were all expecting to see the best of the best come duke it out on LAN. We don't want to watch some random get roflstomped by 1 good player and take down the tournament it would be pointless. Obviously MLG can see they need to have an invite system like they do for WoW for this tourney or make it a way bigger bracket. I hope they will re-open the ticket sales so our beloved top tier players can bash each other in at this LAN. Okay maybe I should have been a bit more clearer, if you want to go to Dallas which is the finals you need to do well at this tournament. They are also not sure how SC2 will work out. I know you're not happy that you won't get to see the best of the best in it. This is the start for them running Starcraft 2 and I seriously hope it isn't an invite only event all the time, that is what made the WoW portion stale seeing the same teams with the same comp over and over again. Having online qualifiers would be nice so you can see people who fought tooth and nail to get to the event, not someone who got an invite on their name alone, being top in ladder shouldn't be a guarantee either because I have seen a lot of the "high" ranked players in the beta suck in tournaments when the game actually mattered. The top players should have no problem qualifying through the online portion. You can of course have seeded players that did well in the last tournament. MLG doesn't have this set in stone yet, they can change the format. Just be happy they are trying to utilize sc2 in the first place. | ||
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Runnin
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s.a.y
Croatia3840 Posts
On August 05 2010 00:50 Liquid`Jinro wrote: That's a funny way to state it But I guess it makes sense. I think I only read it as "Players can't quit the game without referees permission".To me it sounds like you have to GG, then you have to wait for the referee to gg then you quit. maybe even for winner to gg then, to make up good sportsmanship. | ||
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