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CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-03 13:13:22
August 03 2010 13:06 GMT
#1
I noticed that Extractor and Refineries are 500 hp but an Assimilator is 450/450 (900 life). Granted a refinery can be repaired and an extractor can heal slowly on it's own or be transfused but almost double the HP for an assimilator? This has to be an oversight.
I mean shields rebuild pretty fast once combat is taken away.

The assim has the same hp/shield as it had in BW yet the refinery and extractor both lost 250 hp.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
TBO
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1350 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-03 13:08:49
August 03 2010 13:08 GMT
#2
its called racial diversity

Blizzard probably did it to allow for a somewhat better gas steal to compensate for the fact that there is 2 gas now and gas steal is not as good anyways as it was in broodwar
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
August 03 2010 13:09 GMT
#3
On August 03 2010 22:08 TBO wrote:
its called racial diversity

Blizzard probably did it to allow for a somewhat better gas steal to compensate for the fact that there is 2 gas now and gas steal is not as good anyways as it was in broodwar

no that doesn't make sense at all and protoss aren't the only people gas stealing.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
shannn
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands2891 Posts
August 03 2010 13:10 GMT
#4
but then again once the hp of the building has been removed it cannot be healed unless I'm mistaken. Only the shields can regenerate whereas the hp cannot unlike extractor's and refineries.
They can be given transfusion and being repaired like you said.
Maybe this is why as compensation although quite a big compensation in my opinion :p Don't mind seeiing it get a nerf as a Protoss player myself
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6321864 Epic post.
storm44
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
1293 Posts
August 03 2010 13:10 GMT
#5
Yeah but how many times in a game are you trying to take down the opponents assimilator anyways?
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-03 13:12:34
August 03 2010 13:12 GMT
#6
Yea it's really not that big of a deal, but it just looks imbalanced (even if it is not really game changing thing in most games).
But if it were a game of gas stealing and gas sniping, protoss would win for sure.

I would say dropping it down to 300/300 would be adequate.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Naib
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Hungary4844 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-03 13:16:58
August 03 2010 13:14 GMT
#7
Protoss is affected way worse by gas steals than any of the other 2 races...there are plenty of builds you can execute with T / Z without a 2nd gas (until you have sufficient fighting units to take the stolen assim down in time and place it), with P there's barely any. Hence imo it's for making gas steals easier to deal with for P - or if it's unintentional, it works just perfeclty atm. I don't see the problem.

To clarify: I think Refinery / Extractor had more HP but it got reduced when the aforementioned problem arose. I wouldn't mind making the assimilator's hp a little less, just don't bump up the HP of the Extractor / Refinery to make it "balanced"

P.s.: In SC1 the assimilator had more HP thant he refinery / extractor too, go and see it for yourselves

I can't believe I replied to a topic by CM with a serious answer, I need to get myself checked out.
Complete the cycle!
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-03 13:41:30
August 03 2010 13:15 GMT
#8
On August 03 2010 22:14 Naib wrote:

P.s.: In SC1 the assimilator had more HP thant he refinery / extractor too, go and see it for yourselves

I can't believe I replied to a topic by CM with a serious answer, I need to get myself checked out.



Well aren't you special


re: ps duh, I'm not saying it shouldn't. Also the assimilator has the same hp as it had in bw as it does now while the refinery and extractor were lowered as I stated in the op.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
HubertFelix
Profile Joined April 2010
France631 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-03 13:17:51
August 03 2010 13:16 GMT
#9
On August 03 2010 22:10 storm44 wrote:
Yeah but how many times in a game are you trying to take down the opponents assimilator anyways?


I guess your gas never got snipped by banshee harass/drop on cliff or on desert oasis.
Necrosjef
Profile Joined March 2010
United Kingdom530 Posts
August 03 2010 13:18 GMT
#10
Seems to make sense in my mind that Zerg and Terran extractors would be weaker than Protoss ones.

Protoss really rely on 2 gas for almost all of their viable builds. Terran and Zerg getting gas stolen isn't really a huge problem for most builds as the gas heavy units don't really arrive until tier 2. Protoss have sentries almost immediately which are 100 gas.
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chuninexam
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada56 Posts
August 03 2010 13:22 GMT
#11
On August 03 2010 22:12 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Yea it's really not that big of a deal, but it just looks imbalanced (even if it is not really game changing thing in most games).
But if it were a game of gas stealing and gas sniping, protoss would win for sure.

I would say dropping it down to 300/300 would be adequate.


It's not imbalanced. The races are meant to have diversity. I can point out tons of things that the other races have advantages against protoss and we can pretend they are imbalanced too just because they aren't the same.
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
August 03 2010 13:42 GMT
#12
On August 03 2010 22:18 Necrosjef wrote:
Seems to make sense in my mind that Zerg and Terran extractors would be weaker than Protoss ones.

Protoss really rely on 2 gas for almost all of their viable builds. Terran and Zerg getting gas stolen isn't really a huge problem for most builds as the gas heavy units don't really arrive until tier 2. Protoss have sentries almost immediately which are 100 gas.



Metabolic boost, lair, glial reconstruction, overlord speed, overseer etc.
Factory, tech lab upgrades, etc.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
tacrats
Profile Joined July 2010
476 Posts
August 03 2010 13:47 GMT
#13
so in pvp do they always steal gas then if its so important?
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-03 13:50:29
August 03 2010 13:50 GMT
#14
I don't see what gas stealing has to do with how much HP the assimilator has even if protoss needs more gas anyways. I'm not saying refinery or extractor should get more hp.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
sikyon
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada1045 Posts
August 03 2010 13:50 GMT
#15
On August 03 2010 22:47 tacrats wrote:
so in pvp do they always steal gas then if its so important?


Ironically in PvP it's possible to work off 1 extractor (in base mass pylon/zealot warpin)
llortyag
Profile Joined August 2010
United States64 Posts
August 03 2010 13:51 GMT
#16
this guy whines about everything... he must be a zerg player
This place is backwards
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
August 03 2010 13:51 GMT
#17
There isn't even anything to argue in this thread tbh, it's blatantly too much HP for no good reason.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
jamesr12
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1549 Posts
August 03 2010 13:54 GMT
#18
they are different but its not an issue. A hatch only cost 350 minerals, all the races are different that is one of the things tht makes starcraft great
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306479
Cut[e]Paper
Profile Joined June 2010
China43 Posts
August 03 2010 13:54 GMT
#19
Target Fire those Assimilators!
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
August 03 2010 13:56 GMT
#20
im down with it being a little stronger, but that is quite a LOT stronger.
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