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Ruthless
Profile Joined August 2008
United States492 Posts
August 03 2010 16:00 GMT
#501
Ten damage is nothing for blizzard nerfs. They just pick a random number that seems fine 33% 50% double that half this and increase that by a multiple of five.

Blizzards patches show they are not in tiuch with how delicate balance is.

Also is there not a rule or system in place to temp ban mysticmage for spamming? The last five pages i had to. mostly skip because it was just him spamming random shit
MythicalMage
Profile Joined May 2010
1360 Posts
August 03 2010 16:00 GMT
#502
The ten damage was more for TvT to my knowledge.
eNyoron
Profile Joined September 2009
United States170 Posts
August 03 2010 16:01 GMT
#503
Upgraded thors one shot hydras and two shot roaches. And with their attack speed buff, they do it at a much faster rate. It also lowers the effectiveness of zerglings to counter them.
0sm9sm8sm... the beginning of the end.
MythicalMage
Profile Joined May 2010
1360 Posts
August 03 2010 16:01 GMT
#504
On August 04 2010 01:00 Ruthless wrote:
Ten damage is nothing for blizzard nerfs. They just pick a random number that seems fine 33% 50% double that half this and increase that by a multiple of five.

Blizzards patches show they are not in tiuch with how delicate balance is.

Also is there not a rule or system in place to temp ban mysticmage for spamming? The last five pages i had to. mostly skip because it was just him spamming random shit

I haven't spammed. I've added my input and thoughts on the discussions going on in this thread.
Sputty
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada161 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-03 16:02:31
August 03 2010 16:02 GMT
#505
As stated often, the 10 damage didn't make any difference for zerg because all the important units were still getting 2 shot or 3 shots, a few units required higher upgrades. It made a much larger difference in TVP and that's why changing tanks probably isn't the answer(maybe overkill and rebuffing 60 damage would be the fix), it's likely buffing zerg.
Ruthless
Profile Joined August 2008
United States492 Posts
August 03 2010 16:11 GMT
#506
You win im done reading this thread haha, i hope mods do something about you :p.
Lucius2
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany548 Posts
August 03 2010 16:12 GMT
#507
i love the OP and it would be pretty amazing if these things would find their way into the game. really
Ainsworth
Profile Joined July 2010
49 Posts
August 03 2010 16:14 GMT
#508
TBH Ruthless, your post seemed more spammy than any of mysthicalmage's.

MythicalMage
Profile Joined May 2010
1360 Posts
August 03 2010 16:15 GMT
#509
On August 04 2010 01:11 Ruthless wrote:
You win im done reading this thread haha, i hope mods do something about you :p.

Name one thing I've done wrong and I'll apologize and correct it immediately. I've just put my thoughts into words in a public forum, the same as you.
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
August 03 2010 16:16 GMT
#510
On August 04 2010 01:15 MythicalMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2010 01:11 Ruthless wrote:
You win im done reading this thread haha, i hope mods do something about you :p.

Name one thing I've done wrong and I'll apologize and correct it immediately. I've just put my thoughts into words in a public forum, the same as you.

ya but you're horrible at it and your thoughts are wrong
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MythicalMage
Profile Joined May 2010
1360 Posts
August 03 2010 16:18 GMT
#511
On August 04 2010 01:16 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2010 01:15 MythicalMage wrote:
On August 04 2010 01:11 Ruthless wrote:
You win im done reading this thread haha, i hope mods do something about you :p.

Name one thing I've done wrong and I'll apologize and correct it immediately. I've just put my thoughts into words in a public forum, the same as you.

ya but you're horrible at it and your thoughts are wrong

Everyone has their opinion. =] Thanks for yours!

User was warned for this post
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
August 03 2010 16:20 GMT
#512
I really like a few of your ideas, especially with the salvage.

I think the biggest reason why Terran is strong is not because their units are strong, but it's because their mechanics are so convenient. All the bio upgrades are easily affordable and you pretty much get them right away without having to sacrifice anything. You can lift buildings and burrow supply depots. You can repair buildings and mech units, and medivacs heal bio. Mule and scan are very easy to use. You have a rax, fac, and port anyways, so tech switches are easy. Harassment units like banshees and reapers are good units even outside harassing. You can salvage some buildings. All of Terran's mechanics are very easy and fit nicely and everything is so convenient. When I play Zerg or Protoss, everything seems so more harder. It's still too early for us to claim that Terran is the strongest race right now balance wise, but I definitely think that Terran mechanics are by far the easiest, allowing players to play at a higher end of their potential with less practice. I tink that is why in tournies you see Idra beating Terrans all the time, but in mid Diamond level play, Z has a heck of a lot of trouble vs T. With time, I think that things may balance themselves. After all, ZvP in scbw was considered a bit Z favored until the Bisu build was created. Maybe TvZ in sc2 will evolve to become balanced.
Everlong
Profile Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1973 Posts
August 03 2010 16:21 GMT
#513
Jesus christ, this thread just ended. No one will list through this shitload of spam and actually write something useful, Im also done.. Good job MythicalMage.. Sorry, but you are really beside the point.
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
August 03 2010 16:21 GMT
#514
On August 04 2010 01:18 MythicalMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2010 01:16 IdrA wrote:
On August 04 2010 01:15 MythicalMage wrote:
On August 04 2010 01:11 Ruthless wrote:
You win im done reading this thread haha, i hope mods do something about you :p.

Name one thing I've done wrong and I'll apologize and correct it immediately. I've just put my thoughts into words in a public forum, the same as you.

ya but you're horrible at it and your thoughts are wrong

Everyone has their opinion. =] Thanks for yours!

It's true you really are a horrible poster
MythicalMage
Profile Joined May 2010
1360 Posts
August 03 2010 16:25 GMT
#515
As I've said, tell me what I'm doing wrong and I'll fix it. Last time I checked the title of this thread was "TvZ Balance Suggestions". Lalush offered some, as did numerous other people, and I offered my own and some of my thoughts on others. Sorry if I've done anything wrong.
Defrag
Profile Joined February 2010
Poland414 Posts
August 03 2010 16:26 GMT
#516
On August 03 2010 23:35 cuppatea wrote:
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On August 03 2010 23:21 MythicalMage wrote:
On August 03 2010 23:20 cuppatea wrote:
The last tournament Idra competed in was the IEM qualifyer on Sunday, where he was 2-0'd by Silver (a Canadian Terran). Just because a full time pro gamer who gets paid to spend 10 hours a day practicing wins the odd tournament doesn't mean Zerg is doing well right now.

Is there a replay/VoD. I'm curious how the games went.


http://www.nationalesl.com/us/sc2/download/22422362/


Anyone saying ZvT is fine should watch those two replays .
Everlong
Profile Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1973 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-03 16:33:17
August 03 2010 16:30 GMT
#517
On August 04 2010 01:25 MythicalMage wrote:
As I've said, tell me what I'm doing wrong and I'll fix it. Last time I checked the title of this thread was "TvZ Balance Suggestions". Lalush offered some, as did numerous other people, and I offered my own and some of my thoughts on others. Sorry if I've done anything wrong.


Ok, Im telling you, stop posting, please.. No one is interested in your opinion, since you just quote everything and spam random stuff like this is chat or something. According to how you react, Im pretty sure that you are used to be blamed.. So go and fix it.

edit: If you refuse to accept any kind of relexion from other people and keep spamming, you will most probably get banned. I mean this in a good way.
eivind
Profile Joined July 2010
111 Posts
August 03 2010 16:31 GMT
#518
On August 04 2010 00:52 ckw wrote:
What ever happened to the flying banelings idea?

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Which sounds better then some of the ideas you guys are coming up with.


I think climbing banelings would be more fun. If the actual climb took time then you would have to distract Terran while the banelings climbed into the base.
Saracen
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5139 Posts
August 03 2010 16:31 GMT
#519
On August 04 2010 01:18 MythicalMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2010 01:16 IdrA wrote:
On August 04 2010 01:15 MythicalMage wrote:
On August 04 2010 01:11 Ruthless wrote:
You win im done reading this thread haha, i hope mods do something about you :p.

Name one thing I've done wrong and I'll apologize and correct it immediately. I've just put my thoughts into words in a public forum, the same as you.

ya but you're horrible at it and your thoughts are wrong

Everyone has their opinion. =] Thanks for yours!

No, he's right. I appreciate your enthusiasm, but please think before you post. It's really painful to read page after page of bad advice and useless theorycrafting, only to find out that it's you contributing to the majority of it. There's a difference between posting what you think and posting constructively.

Like, this may be a little bit over your head, but you know YouTube comments? You really remind me of that one person who pops up in a video of a Richter or Rubenstein piano performance and goes "omg that old guy's got nothing on Phillip Glass." Or the guy who's taken high school physics and starts posting kinematics in a documentary about String Theory. Bottom line: if you don't know what you're talking about, it's probably best to remain quiet.
Jameser
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden951 Posts
August 03 2010 16:34 GMT
#520
I agree that 'something' should change about MULEs, and the bunker salvage I totally agree with being broken

I don't know about vikings and thors though I think they're not in urgent need of a change but I might be wrong
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