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On July 25 2010 23:27 Ohdamn wrote:so if that's forbitten whats with the razer naga mouse? + Show Spoiler +this mouse was actually for WoW and other RPGs but i used it for sc2 during the beta and i have to say: IT'S AWESOME!
spoilered cause pic
dunno couldnt imagine what i could use those buttons for. im somewhat happy with my keyboard speed/accuracy(except that i was twice as fast 5 years back <.< ).
i understand the ctrl thing to easier bind groups but other then that.. maybe the "hard to reach" numbers like 9 or 0.. rest seems pretty easy as it is.
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You can use the shift for almost all actions you normally use control for, its a bit closer.
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why would binding keys be disallowed? it doesn't give an unfair advantage just cause one guy thinks it's more comfortable to do it like that instead of using control.
also i've had the idea to buy the naga mouse just to use it in sc2, is it really as awesome as it sounds on the paper? :O
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well with the Naga mouse you can bind/select all controllgrps from 1-0 with only your right thumb
so it's way more easy to do all the other stuff with your left hand on the keyboard
perhaps even scroll with arrows / queen larva with right side shift+backspace and all the other hotkeys
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i think binding those keys to the side buttons would be fine as long as your not binding long key macros since that would add an unfair advantage
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I think noone here talks about binding macros to some of the mouse keys, so stop bringing it up...
I'll definately try binding shift/ctrl to the sidebuttons of my Razer diamondback (awesome mouse <3 ).
I also possess a Naga (curse you WoW!), but the bulkyness of her led me to go back to my diamondback for SC2.
(I don't really have huge hands, and my precision/speed sinks if I use the Naga :/ )
*edit buttEns...wtf
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I also use Ctrl and Shift as my side buttons. And I think it works fine but doesn't rely give an advantage.
And for this thread I just want to point out that steelseries has a special keyboard for SC2 that includes macro's on the keyboard. So it seems that Blizzard support the use of macro's
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I have no issue with you binding stuff to your mouse. I'm fine with you doing whatever, using whatever, as long as you arent modifying SC2.
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used CTRL and RETURN since BW on side buttons of my diamondback
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I would use it for control groups. Since I played a hunter at 2.2k+ rating (and a priest) I have used several mouse buttons for a long time.
MWheel Up 9
MWheel Down 0
MWheel Left 7
MWheel Right 8
MWheel Button 6
Mouse Thumb Button 1 -
Mouse Thumb Button 2 =
I had modifiers on my macros for shift, alt, and sometimes ctrl for wow rather than put them on my mouse. Being able to access additional control groups easier might be nice since "6" through "=" are impossible to reach w/o straying. Thats just my opinion and what I'm used to though. Actually I use "6" by reaching and mouse.
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On July 26 2010 00:03 Ploppytheman wrote:
I would use it for control groups. Since I played a hunter at 2.2k+ rating (and a priest) I have used several mouse buttons for a long time.
MWheel Up 9
MWheel Down 0
MWheel Left 7
MWheel Right 8
MWheel Button 6
Mouse Thumb Button 1 -
Mouse Thumb Button 2 =
I had modifiers on my macros for shift, alt, and sometimes ctrl for wow rather than put them on my mouse. Being able to access additional control groups easier might be nice since "6" through "=" are impossible to reach w/o straying. Thats just my opinion and what I'm used to though. Actually I use "6" by reaching and mouse.
OMG, gotta write that down.
Been using my Wheel for Actionbar 1/2 for years, binding them to a number for groups...why didn't i think of it?
Thank you sir for more ideas to help my keybinds =)
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tbh having control and shift on the mouse sounds like it'd just make things much slower. Having to synchronized between left and right hands would take a lot of thought and I imagine slow things down compared to just stretching with left hand.
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didnt they say that sc2 was going to have customizable hotkeys? thus it makes this question a moot point... as long as its not a macro, do what you want
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Why the big argument?
Macros = forbidden
Single key binds = not forbidden.
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I think tournaments organizers should add/update their rules regarding key remapping and macros. some kind of drawing the line what is allowed and what not.
if some tournaments are fine and you don't like it protest, or might as well not join.
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What kind of self respecting gamer doesn't own a mouse with buttons on the side? So it is probably safe to say the key-to-key remapping is practically available to everyone, and is therefore not really exploiting any unfair advantage. I've already assigned the push to talk button for Vent on one of my side buttons, but the backspace might be a good idea for the other one, seeing as I almost never use backspace due to the location on the keyboard.
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It's funny, the keyboards we are all using are made for typing, not playing SC. Two of the most used buttons, Ctrl and Shift are placed in locations where your fingers can't hit them (not unless you bend your wrist a lot or move your hand way down and off the keyboard).
Most progamers use the bone beneath the pinky finger to hit Ctrl and Shift. Personally I can't do it, just seems akward and unpleasent. Instead I downloaded KeyTweak, a free program that is nice and very easy to use. Ctrl is now remapped to N, Shift to Y and F1 to H, also remapped 0 to U and 9 to J.I barely have to move my hand now when playing and my game goes a LOT smoother and faster :-)
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A lot of programmers rebind Ctrl to the Capslock spot instead - really helps with reducing RSI.
Just positioning my hand over the capslock and reaching for the numbers feels a lot better. Hm, something to consider.
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Has anyone noticed some hotkeys are named incorrectly? For example, I was trying to rebind InjectLarva, only to find it was actually called 'MorphMorphalisk' in the GameHotkeys.txt file. I am also unable to rebind the SporeCrawler hotkey for zerg (there IS a SporeCrawler listed, but no matter what key I assign, the hotkey is always 'A' in game).
Anyone else having similar trouble?
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We definitely need an official response for this.
My opinion:
Considering the GSL rules (which is the kind of an official blizzard tournament) you are allowed to play with your own mouse and install your own mouse drivers. Now I have a G9 mouse with an internal memory and it saves my settings so I can use them on any computer without further setting.
If I bind something on my mouse buttons it will work at the tournament also without braking any of the tournament rules. So ... ?
EDIT: I made a post on the official forums: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/283438953
Maybe an official response will put an end to this kind of debates.
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