Binding shift and control to mouse side buttons

And I doubt something like this would be forbidden competitively as it's just assigning a key to your mouse and no macro.

On July 13 2010 05:49 AnxietE wrote:
No, this is not allowed in tournaments (i think).This is rather cheap compared to someone who doesn't, plus what if your on your friends comp playing? without your mouse?

EDIT


It helps macro.

On July 13 2010 05:49 AnxietE wrote:
No, this is not allowed in tournaments (i think).This is rather cheap compared to someone who doesn't, plus what if your on your friends comp playing? without your mouse?

EDIT


It helps macro.

On July 13 2010 06:10 Azarthis wrote:
Well the way I see it, the people who play without it actively choose not to, as the option is there for the taking, though the point about using other equipment is a good one (luckily all my friends have mice with extra buttons :p)

I've been considering attempting to change styles (hence this thread), but I have zero experience of using ctrl/shift with number keys and F-keys like that. What finger do you guys keep on ctrl while binding keygroups? What angle is your keyboard supposed to be at in relation to your body? The only way it wouldnt be ridiculously uncomfortable that i can see would be with it tilting about 45 degrees away from you (so you'd use ctrl with your little finger) but i never see anyone doing that.

On July 13 2010 07:05 MuTT wrote:
just position your hand so you can hold down control not with your finger but with ball of your pinky and shift with the bottom join of the pinky and you'll be faster than you ever could with a mouse

On July 13 2010 08:39 Baerinho wrote:
i have backspace bound to one mousebutton, only change i made, just dont want to reach over for inject larvae

On July 13 2010 05:57 CruelZeratul wrote:
I would bind Storm/EMP/etc. to those buttons.
I guess most of the tournaments wouldn't allow that, and perhaps even Blizzard forbid it in the user agreement.

On July 13 2010 08:57 InfiniteIce wrote:


Blizzard cannot prohibit me from modifying what my mouse buttons do.

My computer is used for things besides playing their games.

What if one were disabled and physically unable to hit certain combinations of keys with their left hand alone? It would be a discriminatory practice to not allow them to effectively use their mouse to stand in for the keyboard for certain functions.

On July 25 2010 23:27 Ohdamn wrote:
so if that's forbitten whats with the razer naga mouse?
+ Show Spoiler +
this mouse was actually for WoW and other RPGs but i used it for sc2 during the beta and i have to say: IT'S AWESOME!

On July 26 2010 00:03 Ploppytheman wrote:
I would use it for control groups. Since I played a hunter at 2.2k+ rating (and a priest) I have used several mouse buttons for a long time.

MWheel Up 9
MWheel Down 0
MWheel Left 7
MWheel Right 8

MWheel Button 6

Mouse Thumb Button 1 -
Mouse Thumb Button 2 =

I had modifiers on my macros for shift, alt, and sometimes ctrl for wow rather than put them on my mouse. Being able to access additional control groups easier might be nice since "6" through "=" are impossible to reach w/o straying. Thats just my opinion and what I'm used to though. Actually I use "6" by reaching and mouse.

On July 26 2010 00:51 Daewon wrote:

Most progamers use the bone beneath the pinky finger to hit Ctrl and Shift. Personally I can't do it, just seems akward and unpleasent.

On August 07 2010 19:48 Tom the Legend wrote:
in answer to the question would it be allowed in tornaments, i dont think it would. that is more events than online.
for exampe mlg.
http://www.mlgpro.com/content/page/310499/SC2-Rules-and-Settings
i think number 8 shows that it is not allowed.
though in online tornament they wouldn't be able to tell.

On August 07 2010 19:36 ZealEngine wrote:
Macros and remapping keys should always be allowed. This game is supposed to be about strategy, not who has wasted more years of their life developing muscle memory for some ass backwards key bindings. The only people who think otherwise are the very people who HAVE wasted years of their life developing muscle memory for ass backwards key bindings.

On August 07 2010 19:36 ZealEngine wrote:
Macros and remapping keys should always be allowed. This game is supposed to be about strategy, not who has wasted more years of their life developing muscle memory for some ass backwards key bindings. The only people who think otherwise are the very people who HAVE wasted years of their life developing muscle memory for ass backwards key bindings.

On August 07 2010 19:36 ZealEngine wrote:
Macros and remapping keys should always be allowed. This game is supposed to be about strategy, not who has wasted more years of their life developing muscle memory for some ass backwards key bindings. The only people who think otherwise are the very people who HAVE wasted years of their life developing muscle memory for ass backwards key bindings.

This game is not formed around strategy as strategy is only a portion of the game. The ability to multitask can separate the good players from the professionals and also raises the skill ceiling of the game. By allowing macros, everyone would have perfect macromanagement and the game ceiling would collapse, as everyone would only have to focus on micro.

On August 08 2010 06:13 ZealEngine wrote:


Explain to me how a dumb macro (thats a macro with no knowledge of the game state) can give you 'perfect macromanagement'? I dont think you people understand how these G15 keyboards work. The ONLY thing they can do is the exact same thing you could do already with practice/muscle memory. The final decisions, timings, and strategy are STILL up to you. The DECISION to train 10 marines is whats important, not how you actually train them (whether you have to click A once, or 10 times).

I think we have two crowds here - People who think we should reward/celebrate a meaningless skill like 'hotkey muscle memory', and people who think we should not.

On August 08 2010 06:29 Vessel wrote:



if you have 2 people of equal skill level and one of them has to press a 10 times to train ten marines at ten different barracks, and the other person presses one button on his keyboard and all ten of his barracks produce 1 marine, then he is at an advantage because it happens faster. one key one action. you can remap the keys all you want, but one key should never let you do 10 things.

On July 26 2010 01:03 Euphemism wrote:
A lot of programmers rebind Ctrl to the Capslock spot instead - really helps with reducing RSI.

Just positioning my hand over the capslock and reaching for the numbers feels a lot better. Hm, something to consider.

On August 08 2010 06:13 ZealEngine wrote:


Explain to me how a dumb macro (thats a macro with no knowledge of the game state) can give you 'perfect macromanagement'? I dont think you people understand how these G15 keyboards work. The ONLY thing they can do is the exact same thing you could do already with practice/muscle memory. The final decisions, timings, and strategy are STILL up to you. The DECISION to train 10 marines is whats important, not how you actually train them (whether you have to click A once, or 10 times).

I think we have two crowds here - People who think we should reward/celebrate a meaningless skill like 'hotkey muscle memory', and people who think we should not.

exactly because one person can spend 200 dollars on a mouse and keyboard and another just uses whatever he can get cheapt shouldnt give the player with money and huge advantage.

On August 08 2010 07:07 ZealEngine wrote:


Um what? I play on a 46 inch tv, so I guess that gives me a unfair advantage too? But I only have a Radeon 4800, so in the meantime I want you to stop using your 5850 because its not fair to me, ok? While were at it, do you wear glasses or do you have perfect eye sight? Because thats not 'fair' either.

You cant control external factors in a game like this (and you should never try to). The only meaningful thing you can do is make sure that the parts that MATTER cant be influenced by said external factors. For example - no matter how much money you spend on your rig, no matter how many macros you use, you still must have a comprehensive understanding of the timing/strategy/mechanics of the game, or you will still lose.

The solution to the whole macro/keybinding problem is to simply ensure that they cant do anything a human cant already do. And they cant.

*and your baseball/sports analogy is false. Standardizing bats is more like standardizing how many resources each player starts with. It makes sense, since resources are a key mechanic of the game. On the other hand, standardizing key bindings or how you hit those key bindings (which is all a macro is) is like standardizing the color of the socks all players must wear. Sure we could have such a silly requirement, but does it add anything meaningful to the game? That is the question.

On July 13 2010 05:57 CruelZeratul wrote:
I would bind Storm/EMP/etc. to those buttons.
I guess most of the tournaments wouldn't allow that, and perhaps even Blizzard forbid it in the user agreement.

...Please tell me that is fair.

A player spends four years maximizing his hatchery and larvae injection efficiency.

On August 08 2010 09:52 NuKedUFirst wrote:
Cheaters gonna cheat.

It's an unfair advantage from the traditional keyboard. I don't see any reasoning behind doing this unless you are missing some fingers. This wont be allowed in tournaments. This wont be allowed in LANs.

On July 25 2010 23:27 Ohdamn wrote:
so if that's forbitten whats with the razer naga mouse?

this mouse was actually for WoW and other RPGs but i used it for sc2 during the beta and i have to say: IT'S AWESOME!

On August 08 2010 09:52 NuKedUFirst wrote:
Cheaters gonna cheat.

It's an unfair advantage from the traditional keyboard. I don't see any reasoning behind doing this unless you are missing some fingers. This wont be allowed in tournaments. This wont be allowed in LANs.