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Blackjackbob
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada164 Posts
July 10 2010 12:06 GMT
#1
In about 4 - 6 weeks a few friends and myself will be having a small lan party with Starcraft 2 being the major (if not complete) focus. (Just realized that yes I understand there is no LAN however we will all be connected to the internet and over bnet)

Info:
2 friends and myself were in the sc2 beta and out of us 3 I was a platinum (albeit lower end of plat but higher than gold) one friend was gold and another silver.
1 other friend is rather new to RTS games and has never played starcraft before.

At the start it will be us 4 playing (with more to show up later) and most likely it will be the new guy and myself VS the gold and silver guys.

Question:
How would you go about approaching this game, strategy wise?

My thoughts:
The gold and silver guy are good enough that I cannot 1v2 them. So I will need my new(bie) partners help. I was first thinking about some super defensive play on his part just so he doesn't die and then feed me resources. Where he would focus on economy and enough defensive structures to allow me time to get there and aid him. I play Zerg and was thinking of a muta/ling strat which gives me great mobility. Was thinking of having him go Toss so he could cannon D up and not have to worry about land vs air zerg defensive structures or bunkers vs turrets either.

The other idea I had was getting him to focus purely on a t1 unit while I support him. For example going Toss and just pumping pure zealots. I could back him up by using some Roaches and Hydras. This would allow him to really focus on one army unit and not overwhelm him. If we want to get a little fancy we could get a couple upgrades for his zealots.

Any other ideas or opinions on either above strategies?
MrGreyness
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia35 Posts
July 10 2010 12:15 GMT
#2
Give me a beta key so I can play with him.

No, but seriously, you should give him a solid build order that will at least ensure he has an army and isn't just a deadweight on you the whole game. Maybe get him to watch some VODs? Day9dailys or something. Make sure you turn on shared unit control so you can help him micro his units? If you want him to go toss, maybe just make him go a 4gate build? and make an attack and if it fails he can just throw down more gates/expand and keep building an army of gateway units.
sinn
Profile Joined May 2010
United States132 Posts
July 10 2010 12:18 GMT
#3
IMO get him to do some sort of mindless 1-base mass unit. Also, have him give you control.

You could also try to play vs your friends with an off-race :D
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
July 10 2010 12:20 GMT
#4
play 1v1v2 with the silver and the noob team up. btw, dont say LAN! say InHouse

Lan just hurt my feeling...
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NoobStyles
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Australia257 Posts
July 10 2010 13:04 GMT
#5
Your over thinking it, at least in my experience a LAN/in house with friends isn't usually the most competitive. If your friends are anything like mine you'll all be nuke/mothership/bane rushing each other or some other fun, but realistically no viable strat.

Also if you go in and try an 'teach' him or tell him exactly what to do, he'll probably become very unresponsive to the idea of SC. Just let him learn he'll probably start asking him own question soon enough and learn heaps more than if you told him everything.
Klamity
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States994 Posts
July 10 2010 13:10 GMT
#6
Just have him pick Toss and 2 gate.
Don't believe in yourself, believe in me, who believes in you.
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
July 10 2010 13:18 GMT
#7
Play on Twilight Fortress (that's the map with the shared ramp, right?). He can do whatever he likes and you can protect him. It's probably the most enjoyable map for a newbie.
Onlinejaguar
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia2823 Posts
July 10 2010 13:20 GMT
#8
If hes new id strongly suggest making him play protoss. IMO its the easiest to initially pickup and 4 gate strat is pretty straight forward and fairly strong.
101TFP
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
420 Posts
July 10 2010 13:56 GMT
#9
strategy forum?

blog section?

the starcraft 2 forum is so cluttered with threads that should be somewhere else :/
People get what they get, this has nothing to do with what they deserve.
Blackjackbob
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada164 Posts
July 10 2010 14:09 GMT
#10
If this is in the wrong section I do apologize 101TFP. I didn't think this fit into the strategy section as its not really a 'ZvT early game', or 'TvT transitioning from reapers to mid game'. Its sort of about the atmosphere in friendly games as Noob Styles mentioned.

And I like the advice on just letting him play. I know it's not fun to have someone tell you how to play and I was thinking of doing that but none of us are really serious and its not a big deal if we or I lose. So I think you made a great point Styles.

However, if he does ask me questions I think I agree with the majority and I'll point him towards protoss and if he asks further even a 2 gate opener. It should be fun nonetheless.

And I will def try to get that twilight map so helping him out is as easy/quick as possible.
randomnine
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom56 Posts
July 10 2010 14:18 GMT
#11
Yeah, definitely chill out! Have some fun, maybe get some beers in...

It sounds like any kind of competitive battle means he'll get his face pounded in, so don't cultivate a competitive atmosphere and don't lay on pressure. Encourage your friends to mess about and off-race, and do it yourself - playing off-race always seems to work well as a handicap.

You could give him one or two tips after each game as well (not during games when the pressure's on). Just basic stuff that'll help out loads, like building enough workers and trying not to get supply locked.
DreamSailor
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada433 Posts
July 10 2010 14:28 GMT
#12
Depending on the map, its very easy to wall in your natural as protoss.

I'm pretty much the same as you, plat/gold level. I usually 2 gate (depending on circumstances) wall my expo, then focus on a gateway/robo build.

But I honestly think the easiest race to learn is Zerg first. When I first started playing the beta I was a little overwhelmed with the things the other races could do that they couldn't do in broodwar, Zerg was the easiest for me to learn first, then I transitioned to Protoss.

You can just focus on building roaches pretty early, and that will give you a sizeable defensive force.
Where ever you go, there you are.
NoobStyles
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Australia257 Posts
July 10 2010 15:01 GMT
#13
On July 10 2010 23:28 DreamSailor wrote:

But I honestly think the easiest race to learn is Zerg first. When I first started playing the beta I was a little overwhelmed with the things the other races could do that they couldn't do in broodwar, Zerg was the easiest for me to learn first, then I transitioned to Protoss.

You can just focus on building roaches pretty early, and that will give you a sizeable defensive force.


I couldn't disagree more, the fact that zerg has to make drones, then make an army, then make more drones. Makes them IMO by far the hardest race to learn as a beginner. A race with stronger units in general is better for someone with poor macro.
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