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Piski
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Finland3461 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-08 20:31:27
July 08 2010 20:30 GMT
#501
On July 09 2010 05:28 Evolve wrote:
Wrong topic ;; my bad


It looks much much better than before, what are you talking about?

At least now units aren't hiding under the giant square on a minimap

Edit: Discussion is about Zel'naga towers showing as an eye on a minimap
Sergeras
Profile Joined May 2010
Bulgaria185 Posts
July 08 2010 20:30 GMT
#502
On July 09 2010 05:26 Piski wrote:
I wonder if these balance changes were made before or after they invited those korean gamers to talk about balance
It has to be before the changes are somewhat stupid
Toads
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada1795 Posts
July 08 2010 20:32 GMT
#503
I just don't understand the nerf on zealot. Even if i'm not a toss player i'm can't understand that. Do they was that strong ?
(。◕ ω ◕。) Beer Time !!!! (。◕ ω ◕。)
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
July 08 2010 20:34 GMT
#504
On July 09 2010 05:32 StoLiVe wrote:
I just don't understand the nerf on zealot. Even if i'm not a toss player i'm can't understand that. Do they was that strong ?

Im thinking it was because of the 5sec on reaper/rax nerf

they didnt want zealots there super super early so they give them a 5sec nerf to balance the rax nerf and keep timings for that semi in tune
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Bibdy
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3481 Posts
July 08 2010 20:36 GMT
#505
On July 09 2010 05:34 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2010 05:32 StoLiVe wrote:
I just don't understand the nerf on zealot. Even if i'm not a toss player i'm can't understand that. Do they was that strong ?

Im thinking it was because of the 5sec on reaper/rax nerf

they didnt want zealots there super super early so they give them a 5sec nerf to balance the rax nerf and keep timings for that semi in tune


I think it was the other way around.

Nerfed Zealots to stop Zealots being too strong for too long in PvP, and nerfed Reapers/Barracks to compensate.

Why the Spawning Pool didn't have 5 seconds added on or something is mind boggling.
onmach
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1241 Posts
July 08 2010 20:38 GMT
#506
20ish% increase on zealot build time? That's pretty significant. I could almost fast expand and defend with zerglings and be pretty much assured of succeeding on most maps. I'll try that after my placement matches.
Xanatoss
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany539 Posts
July 08 2010 20:38 GMT
#507
Unfortunately that inflicts 2 Gate Push Timing aswell.
Future will show how that is working.
The chair slowly turns around. You see his face, but it can't be. He's not supposed to be here. Not him. Not a Protoss. Not THAT Protoss. MC says, "Hi Greg, long time no see." You back slowly out of the booth. But you can't. It's already forcefielded.
Dog22
Profile Joined April 2010
United States140 Posts
July 08 2010 20:39 GMT
#508
Not sure if someone said this but you can spam click a critter to blow it up! Fun...like the old days. You can do it for SURE in a match vs computer...haven't tried in actual ladder.
Entertaining
Profile Joined September 2007
Canada793 Posts
July 08 2010 20:39 GMT
#509
are u supposed to be able to go into NEGATIVE placement matches? im at -1
lololol
Profile Joined February 2006
5198 Posts
July 08 2010 20:41 GMT
#510
On July 09 2010 05:39 Entertaining wrote:
are u supposed to be able to go into NEGATIVE placement matches? im at -1


It's bugged. You have to play 5 placement matches.
I'll call Nada.
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
July 08 2010 20:41 GMT
#511
This is ALL unlisted? Holy shit... a ton of these are VERY Significant.
Rax build time, no burrow under FF, Warp Gate time, seriously... the don't list this?!?!?!?
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
Graven
Profile Joined June 2010
United States314 Posts
July 08 2010 20:42 GMT
#512
On July 09 2010 05:39 Entertaining wrote:
are u supposed to be able to go into NEGATIVE placement matches? im at -1


Blue made a post about this. It's still five total before you're placed in a league. I think it goes to -2.
Toads
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada1795 Posts
July 08 2010 20:42 GMT
#513
i know they say there is only 2 placement matches but in reality there is 5

and between how many time you have to clic to blow a critter ?
(。◕ ω ◕。) Beer Time !!!! (。◕ ω ◕。)
Wayem
Profile Joined May 2010
France455 Posts
July 08 2010 20:52 GMT
#514
On July 09 2010 04:41 figq wrote:
.
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2010 22:56 Illva wrote:
The change might have been needed for other reason but why does it feel like terran gets the creative buffs/nerf where the other races just gets the nurfbat which will create imbalanced in other places not intended?.
WoL is Terran-based game, so more Terran players - more sales.


this

When you see where Blizzard is going (achievements, facebook...) that's pretty obvious what they're trying to do with wings of liberty... happy kids are gonna buy a lot of stuff on bnet 2.0.
"who needs micro when you can have more stuff ?" -day9
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
July 08 2010 20:55 GMT
#515
Zealot nerf? Really? I mean sure, proxy gate was good, but it was beatable if you scouted it.
ZealousD
Profile Joined July 2010
United States13 Posts
July 08 2010 20:56 GMT
#516
Any reason the medivac change hasn't been added to the original post?
Toads
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada1795 Posts
July 08 2010 20:59 GMT
#517
what is the change about the medivac ? ?
(。◕ ω ◕。) Beer Time !!!! (。◕ ω ◕。)
Torture
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada221 Posts
July 08 2010 20:59 GMT
#518
Why couldn't Blizzard just put these in the patch notes? o_O
Toads
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada1795 Posts
July 08 2010 21:00 GMT
#519
On July 09 2010 05:59 Torture wrote:
Why couldn't Blizzard just put these in the patch notes? o_O


They're lazy ?
(。◕ ω ◕。) Beer Time !!!! (。◕ ω ◕。)
Gryffes
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom763 Posts
July 08 2010 21:09 GMT
#520
Just a question on #19 ( changelings ) I used one and saw this - if it only displays for the user and not the opponent surely it's a feature to let you pickout the changeling? ( I dont think I saw the time bar on the changeling either could be wrong though ).
www.youtube.com/gryffes - Random Gaming Videos.
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