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moopie
12605 Posts
On June 12 2010 16:46 RogerChillingworth wrote: Theme of the thread: People fear change. Theme of the thread: People seeing the original title and running around screaming "the sky is falling! the sky is falling!", other people who watched it go "wait, what?" | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
NOT SPECTATING Oh man, please run a simutaneus BW league, would ease my mind soo much. | ||
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immacolate
Serbia199 Posts
people who advocate shutting down bw leagues to "make room" for sc2 are simply aware of the fact that bw is much better game, and hell of a spectator sport, and their new pet project would look like a joke if it dared going head to head. so their only chance is to kill bw and force audience to switch to sc2. User was warned for this post | ||
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Pufftrees
2449 Posts
But seriously, fuck this -_- | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51702 Posts
I am defending it,its not a bad game,its only different from the original.I will say without a doubt BW is infinitely more fun to watch and play,but seriously why do you go on shutting down something before its reached its full potential. | ||
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Slunk
Germany768 Posts
Also I am getting tired of people bashing Effort. Yeah, the games sucked, but they sucked because Flash cheesed and got raped. | ||
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
On June 12 2010 17:04 BLinD-RawR wrote: Seriously,Why do people assume that sc2 will not get better? I am defending it,its not a bad game,its only different from the original.I will say without a doubt BW is infinitely more fun to watch and play,but seriously why do you go on shutting down something before its reached its full potential. Because with MBS, automine, smart cast, and units that have to stop moving to attack, any noob can have Flash's rines macro, cast storm like Jangbi, and it's very hard to micro attacking units, and it's useless to micro workers. I don't see how giving more time to SC2 will change anything to what I mention above. | ||
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Anomarad
Canada565 Posts
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NukeTheStars
United States278 Posts
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
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metaldragon
United States251 Posts
On June 12 2010 17:10 endy wrote: Because with MBS, automine, smart cast, and units that have to stop moving to attack, any noob can have Flash's rines macro, cast storm like Jangbi, and it's very hard to micro attacking units, and it's useless to micro workers. I don't see how giving more time to SC2 will change anything to what I mention above. You might "think" this is true but a few players have actually coem back tot BW with Better Skills then they had when they Left for Sc2. Sc2 is more demanding in some form than BW is. How exactly Im not sure. On paper it looks like sc2 is a easier game but in practice this doesn't seem to be the case. Is it the added Macro Mechanics? (forcing better decision making?) Is It the addition of more "hard counters" (forcing better scouting?) Ive talked to and Seen like a said a few player go back to BW with noticeably better skills then they had. If Sc2 was the easier game I think the opposite would be more apparent. I'm not saying SC2 is a "harder" game but its definitely a "different" game. | ||
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darktreb
United States3019 Posts
On June 12 2010 17:20 metaldragon wrote: Ive talked to and Seen like a said a few player go back to BW with noticeably better skills then they had. If Sc2 was the easier game I think the opposite would be more apparent. There are plenty of possible explanations for this. A lot of times people step away from something for awhile and come back "better" at it. Sometimes time away from something is exactly what the mind needs to digest information. Personally I've had it happen a lot of times where I don't play BW for awhile and come back with a new perspective and play better. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On June 12 2010 16:44 EvilTeletubby wrote: Corrected the horribly misleading title. After fully watching the video, Hwanni absolutely disagreed with you about this "potentially being the last OSL" for SC1.  no he didnt, he absolutely disagreed with it being the last starleague, last starleague in general. he said the current one may very well be the last for sc1. | ||
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DragoonPK
3259 Posts
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On June 12 2010 17:20 metaldragon wrote: You might "think" this is true but a few players have actually coem back tot BW with Better Skills then they had when they Left for Sc2. Sc2 is more demanding in some form than BW is. How exactly Im not sure. On paper it looks like sc2 is a easier game but in practice this doesn't seem to be the case. Is it the added Macro Mechanics? (forcing better decision making?) Is It the addition of more "hard counters" (forcing better scouting?) Ive talked to and Seen like a said a few player go back to BW with noticeably better skills then they had. If Sc2 was the easier game I think the opposite would be more apparent. I'm not saying SC2 is a "harder" game but its definitely a "different" game. You are joking right ? The only players that gets better at BW by playing SC2 is the players that have never actually played BW competitively . On the other hand a D+/C- level iccup player can easily be a top ranked diamond league player if he practised his builds and timing just a little . | ||
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
On June 12 2010 17:20 metaldragon wrote: You might "think" this is true but a few players have actually coem back tot BW with Better Skills then they had when they Left for Sc2. Sc2 is more demanding in some form than BW is. How exactly Im not sure. On paper it looks like sc2 is a easier game but in practice this doesn't seem to be the case. Is it the added Macro Mechanics? (forcing better decision making?) Is It the addition of more "hard counters" (forcing better scouting?) Ive talked to and Seen like a said a few player go back to BW with noticeably better skills then they had. If Sc2 was the easier game I think the opposite would be more apparent. I'm not saying SC2 is a "harder" game but its definitely a "different" game. I was not only saying that SC2 doesn't require as much skill as BW, but rather that the lack of skill impacts from a spectator point of view. You can't be like " :O :O :O these storms where fucking incredible, I love you Jangbi" when watching SC2. You're more like "oh smart cast, ok". You can't be " :O :O :O Flash has such an impressive rines macro omg omg". Just "oh that's a nice macro, thanks MBS" And the other thing is as Idra mentionned, the game is quite balanced in terms of win ratios per matchup, but actually, some race are overpowered at early game, some are overpowered in the end, so that's another reason sc2 games are not interesting to watch. | ||
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IaniAniaN
Canada555 Posts
On June 12 2010 17:41 endy wrote: I was not only saying that SC2 doesn't require as much skill as BW, but rather that the lack of skill impacts from a spectator point of view. You can't be like " :O :O :O these storms where fucking incredible, I love you Jangbi" when watching SC2. You're more like "oh smart cast, ok". You can't be " :O :O :O Flash has such an impressive rines macro omg omg". Just "oh that's a nice macro, thanks MBS" And the other thing is as Idra mentionned, the game is quite balanced in terms of win ratios per matchup, but actually, some race are overpowered at early game, some are overpowered in the end, so that's another reason sc2 games are not interesting to watch. I think it's like BW, where the players make the game interesting. TLOs builds makes games good, White-Ra's aggression makes games good, ect, ect. | ||
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metaldragon
United States251 Posts
the other thing is as Idra mentionned, the game is quite balanced in terms of win ratios per matchup, but actually, some race are overpowered at early game, some are overpowered in the end, so that's another reason sc2 games are not interesting to watch. This is no different than Sc1. Each Race has there respective timing windows in every match up. MBS makes things a little easier but the macro mechanics balance this out IMO. I still have not seen anyone with crappy macro in SC1 have great macro in SC2. As far as a spectator sport I've seen some pretty amazing games in sc2 from baneling crushing whole armies to Great use of nukes. I only think sc1 is more exciting to watch right now because of 1 better maps and 2 you are just more familiar with it. SC2 games have only gotten better since the start of the beta not worst. | ||
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pR0gR4m3R
Spain1446 Posts
EffOrt made his own way and was succesfull in exploiting Flash´s weaknesses and fails. Pls Terran users, get over it Apart from that, nice video, as always  | ||
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metaldragon
United States251 Posts
On June 12 2010 17:39 raga4ka wrote: You are joking right ? The only players that gets better at BW by playing SC2 is the players that have never actually played BW competitively . On the other hand a D+/C- level iccup player can easily be a high ranked diamond league player if he practised his builds and timing just a little . BTW For the Record Idra actually just did he best yet as far as OSL qualifiers and we all know he's been playing ALOT less sc1 lately...to say the least. I think Sc2 forces better decision making and/or scouting then Sc1. | ||
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