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They call us afraid of change, afraid of new possibilities.
They say we are stuck up, stupid and living in the past.
The truth is though eternal, you wouldnt exchange chess for chess 2: Revenge of the pawns. You wouldnt make Citizen kane 2 with 3d graphic. Graphic isnt everything, change isnt always good and tradition is worth keeping. Just because its a video game doesnt mean that it should be revised to something more commercally viable. I sound like a conservative when I doesnt want to, but I have to state that there is a reason people think the original starwars movies are better than the prequels, and its not because it had more special effects.
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holy shit that was unexpected. i mean, it was expected, but definately not this early.
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Hwanni rocks. I wish there would be more people like him in korea. I get the feeling most koreans just don't want us peeking into their business, even though all we really want is to contribute on it. So its CJ decision's after all, we'll see how it goes. If the OSL switches to sc2, how many BW pros would switch to sc2 too? I personally think it would be super exciting if all of a sudden the top-notch koreans pros had to rush into sc2... what race would they be? Would they be as good as in bw? Maybe some super BW "noob" on a b team could become the next Flash? Would the korean teams put attention into recruiting foreigners again?
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wooooah, that would be beyond epic
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OSL should stay with Brood War, SC2 is not fun to watch.
Should create separate leagues for SC2.
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Interesting..
GOM belongs to CJ and OGN belongs to CJ
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so savior will play in OSL once again :D its not SC after all .
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On June 12 2010 17:39 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2010 17:20 metaldragon wrote:On June 12 2010 17:10 endy wrote:On June 12 2010 17:04 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Seriously,Why do people assume that sc2 will not get better?
I am defending it,its not a bad game,its only different from the original.I will say without a doubt BW is infinitely more fun to watch and play,but seriously why do you go on shutting down something before its reached its full potential. Because with MBS, automine, smart cast, and units that have to stop moving to attack, any noob can have Flash's rines macro, cast storm like Jangbi, and it's very hard to micro attacking units, and it's useless to micro workers. I don't see how giving more time to SC2 will change anything to what I mention above. You might "think" this is true but a few players have actually coem back tot BW with Better Skills then they had when they Left for Sc2. Sc2 is more demanding in some form than BW is. How exactly Im not sure. On paper it looks like sc2 is a easier game but in practice this doesn't seem to be the case. Is it the added Macro Mechanics? (forcing better decision making?) Is It the addition of more "hard counters" (forcing better scouting?) Ive talked to and Seen like a said a few player go back to BW with noticeably better skills then they had. If Sc2 was the easier game I think the opposite would be more apparent. I'm not saying SC2 is a "harder" game but its definitely a "different" game. You are joking right ? The only players that gets better at BW by playing SC2 is the players that have never actually played BW competitively . On the other hand a D+/C- level iccup player can easily be a top ranked diamond league player if he practised his builds and timing just a little .
It is pointless to compare the rankings of two different games. Besides, SCBW is OLD. People outside of Korea usually dont play it . Obviously its easy to be in Diamond right now, but dont you think this will change in 5-10 years? I dont think SC1 was as competitive as SC2 already is, when it came out.
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On June 12 2010 18:56 Neobick wrote:
They call us afraid of change, afraid of new possibilities.
They say we are stuck up, stupid and living in the past.
The truth is though eternal, you wouldnt exchange chess for chess 2: Revenge of the pawns. You wouldnt make Citizen kane 2 with 3d graphic. Graphic isnt everything, change isnt always good and tradition is worth keeping. Just because its a video game doesnt mean that it should be revised to something more commercally viable. I sound like a conservative when I doesnt want to, but I have to state that there is a reason people think the original starwars movies are better than the prequels, and its not because it had more special effects.
I must cite that there have been new rules added to chess that drastically altered the game.
1. Adding in the ability for pawns to move two spaces on it's first move and en passant with that
2. The addition of the game clock
3. The addition of draw rules
4. The change of the bishop and queen. They even started calling it queen chess.
Popular rules always find their way to the top along with popular games in esports. Why broadcast for a crowd of 10,000 when you can broadcast to 100,000.
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On June 12 2010 19:41 bueks wrote: I dont think SC1 was as competitive as SC2 already is, when it came out.
That's just a stupid comparison. Starcraft 2 has over 10+ years of foundation to make it as popular as it is today.
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On June 12 2010 19:34 Firien wrote:
so savior will play in OSL once again :D its not SC after all .
The match fixers are banned from the entire eSports scene.
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On June 12 2010 20:36 lolaloc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2010 19:34 Firien wrote:
so savior will play in OSL once again :D its not SC after all . The match fixers are banned from the entire eSports scene.
These comments come from people who believe that if KeSPA is completely shut out and new teams form for sc2, these players will be able to come back. There is very little chance any team or sponsor will ever take them again though, and in fact I doubt most of them would even try after being shamed like they were.
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This is both good and sad news. I like that SC2 will indeed be taken serious in Korea at a pro level. But I can't really get my head around no more BW... QQ
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Facepalm.
Create a new league for SC2
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I quit SC2 and went back to BW. SC2 has been very underwhelming in my eyes, even vanilla SC is more exciting than SC2 tbh.
I think SC2 is too boring for casual players for it to become big, a lot of my casual friends much prefer watching SC1 over SC2 after I showed it to them. Hell even playing wise, they got bored of SC2 instantly while SC1 was a game they absolutely loved (and yes they were casuals).
Sports have hardly changed over decades, I don't see why new e-sports games have to replace old ones either.
Thanks for the video though, great as always.
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On June 12 2010 16:56 immacolate wrote:
roger you are an assclown and I am sure that you love that fact.
User was warned for this post
seriously? you send me a warning for calling an obvious troll an "assclown" which is not even a proper insult, it is a joke that was made popular by pro wrestler chris jericho.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On June 12 2010 20:30 Jackle wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2010 19:41 bueks wrote: I dont think SC1 was as competitive as SC2 already is, when it came out.
That's just a stupid comparison. Starcraft 2 has over 10+ years of foundation to make it as popular as it is today.
Why is that a stupid comparison? What you say is true but that doesnt make my comparison stupid. I was just stating the obvious without giving any explanation. The point i was trying to get accross was, that at the time SC1 came out, it wasnt as competitive as SC2 it is today. Theres nothing wrong with that. I dont blame it on the game or anything. Here is a possible reason that doesnt make SC1 look bad: it was just a different time.
Please dont be so quick with calling something stupid.
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I really like listening to Hwanni, such a professional and informative guy.
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On June 12 2010 20:30 Jackle wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2010 19:41 bueks wrote: I dont think SC1 was as competitive as SC2 already is, when it came out.
That's just a stupid comparison. Starcraft 2 has over 10+ years of foundation to make it as popular as it is today.
Popular? Yes. Competitive? Not so sure.
...When it's a completely new game with new units, AI pathing, and macro mechanics, not so much.
The majority of the casual fanbase would be upset if Blizzard removed MBS and automine just to make the game more competitive at the highest level.
Sad to say, there's more to Blizzard games than just trying to make them work for E-Sports/the 10% of the fanbase that consists of hardcore fans.
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