Great work, but as someone else said, did you include zerg regen? It's fairly significant.

This is definitely an amazing resource to have lying around, though, to just reference when theorizing builds.

Ryan22

Canada84 Posts

June 06 2010 10:01 GMT

#22

Wow dude thats a lot of work, good shit

Cheezy

Sweden112 Posts

June 06 2010 10:49 GMT

#23

Thanks a lot, I was really curious about this as well!

s031720

Sweden383 Posts

June 06 2010 10:54 GMT

#24

Superawesome, ive been searching for a list like this for weeks!

Thank you, great job.

InFi.asc

Germany518 Posts

June 06 2010 11:47 GMT

#25

Is the Ultra being counted as Heavy Armor? Immortal needs 27 shots or sth and stalker need more shots than zealots do, doesn't seem right.

Melt

Switzerland281 Posts

June 06 2010 12:10 GMT

#26

wow thats pretty nice and very useful!
thank you very much.

i think that many people struggle to use the upgrades right. I also played WC3 some time and upgrades weren't nearly as gamechanging as in BW.

Here are some of the most significant upgrades:
-Zealot (+1) Vs Zergling (2 hit Zerglings instead of 3 hitting)
-Roach (+1) Vs Zergling (2 hits instead of 3)
-Baneling (+1) Vs zealots (4 hits instead of 5)
-Colossus (+2) Vs Zergling (1 hit instead of 2)
-In Muta Vs. Muta, the +armor upgrades are the most useful, because the Muta attack hits 3 times (9+3+1). So insetad of preventing 1 dmg, you prevent 3!

As you can see, if you wan't to try certain build that revolve araound timing attacks, it's very useful the make the right upgrades and use that timing to push out.

LittLeD

Sweden7973 Posts

June 06 2010 12:25 GMT

#27

I come from a Wc3 background where upgrades weren't that useful and game changing at all. I like the idea of upgrades paying a bigger role as it adds another dimension in the macro part.

dhe95

United States1213 Posts

June 06 2010 12:48 GMT

#28

It seems that you only need +1 to get the most out of siege tanks

Loverman

Romania266 Posts

June 06 2010 13:16 GMT

#29

On June 06 2010 21:48 dhe95 wrote:
It seems that you only need +1 to get the most out of siege tanks

Well not really you have to account for the splash damage as well, the more the better.

Zaphid

Czech Republic1860 Posts

June 06 2010 13:35 GMT

#30

Could you include numbers for phoenix vs all units? With their graviton beam, they can actually attack every non-massive unit in the game.

Otherwise it's really useful, thanks a lot!

Tyri

Germany453 Posts

June 06 2010 13:41 GMT

#31

Thanks for this great work,

definately good to have this for theorycrafting

RattyZ

United States11 Posts

June 06 2010 14:42 GMT

#32

Great list, I think it may be easier for you to have a specific reference "sheet" in excel with the unit and all their values, this way you can add hilariously detailed information to the primary page; taking into account bonus damage, zerg regen, and Upgrades that add not only to base damage, but to bonus.

Excellent start though, way to put in the effort to get this done.

Immersion_

United Kingdom794 Posts

June 06 2010 14:57 GMT

#33

Has anyone quantified the effect of the Protoss shield upgrade yet? It applies to buildings and units so I guess it would be less effective overall for units compared to armour, but what about in the case of immortals who gain relatively more from the presence of their shields. Sorry if this is the wrong thread didn't feel it warranted a new one to ask though.

Karma_

Canada40 Posts

June 06 2010 15:09 GMT

#34

Alright updated:

1. Reaper HP fixed, 40->50
2. Added Queen, workers
3. Added Zerg regen (0.2734 per second)
4. Fixed Ultra being treated as unarmored
5. Added Phoenix attacking ground
6. Consolidated Thor / Viking to 1 unit
7. Added freeze panes to the excel

RattyZ: The reference "sheet" is the source code. It does take into account all those things you mentioned.

Reza: Took a few hours. Most of the time was spent just gathering/inputting all the data. The code to run it is very short (about 150 lines or so)

Armor upgrades will come soon... Cost for Cost (which I'm very curious about!) will be fairly incorrect because it won't account for splash or micro or anything, plus you have to assume a certain "fighting" style (ie. I'm going to make it focus fire units). But I will take into consideration range (I have all the unit speeds and ranges so should be able to calculate that no problem).

SichuanPanda

Canada1542 Posts

June 06 2010 15:31 GMT

#35

Roaches with +2 attack kill a Hydra in 5 rather than 6 attacks, good to know for ZvZ.