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iEchoic
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1776 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-04 04:03:07
June 04 2010 04:02 GMT
#641
Just another reason TLO is awesome.

Rather he can beat T mech or not (I believe he could), he's the only person actually going about this in the right manner. Nobody on this game has done sufficient testing to determine if T Mech is overpowered or not.

I sat down with some decent players last night and played 10-15 Mech vs Zerg games and found some solid counters. Not that it matters anymore.
vileEchoic -- clanvile.com
jamesr12
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1549 Posts
June 04 2010 04:02 GMT
#642
On June 04 2010 12:51 Lefnui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2010 12:48 TheYango wrote:
On June 04 2010 12:44 Lefnui wrote:
Zerg players aren't 'qqing all day'. They're complaining because there is a matchup which is extremely imbalanced. That's completely logical and the correct response. It's quite frustrating when you dominate a game and still get rolled over by a newb because of tanks. It's not too early to tell, and it's not a case of whether or not mech "might be too strong". It's quite clear.

Complaining is never the "correct" response (though it's certainly logical). Either try to find a way to beat it, or play more games such that it impacts the matchup statistics (either as Terran owning Zergs, or as Zerg getting roflstomped by Terran). Blizzard is going to respond more to statistical reflections of imbalance than people whining about it on the forums.

That's not true at all. Blizzard has time and time again been responding to specific criticisms made on forums. Statistics have little to do with their decisions.


and you know this because you have been inside the room when blizzard makes thier balence choices, clearly if something is imba people are going to complain and the stats will also show it. There is no way for you or anyone who isn't part of the conversation on game balence to know how they are deciding to make changes
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306479
nodestar
Profile Joined May 2010
36 Posts
June 04 2010 04:05 GMT
#643
Beta Patch 15
http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=23094049316&postId=251691264421&sid=5000#18

Siege Tank

Siege Mode damage decreased from 60 to 50.
ESV TV
Profile Joined March 2010
United States109 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-04 04:08:16
June 04 2010 04:08 GMT
#644
@#$!$ wrong account.
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jamesr12
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1549 Posts
June 04 2010 04:08 GMT
#645
On June 04 2010 13:02 iEchoic wrote:
Just another reason TLO is awesome.

Rather he can beat T mech or not (I believe he could), he's the only person actually going about this in the right manner. Nobody on this game has done sufficient testing to determine if T Mech is overpowered or not.

I sat down with some decent players last night and played 10-15 Mech vs Zerg games and found some solid counters. Not that it matters anymore.


care to share, because I think a lot of people will still be playing mech
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306479
Raelcun
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States3747 Posts
June 04 2010 04:08 GMT
#646
Can this get closed now? Patch 15 while I dont personally like the changes make this whole shit storm invalid.
fdsdfg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1251 Posts
June 04 2010 04:09 GMT
#647
On June 04 2010 13:02 jamesr12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2010 12:51 Lefnui wrote:
On June 04 2010 12:48 TheYango wrote:
On June 04 2010 12:44 Lefnui wrote:
Zerg players aren't 'qqing all day'. They're complaining because there is a matchup which is extremely imbalanced. That's completely logical and the correct response. It's quite frustrating when you dominate a game and still get rolled over by a newb because of tanks. It's not too early to tell, and it's not a case of whether or not mech "might be too strong". It's quite clear.

Complaining is never the "correct" response (though it's certainly logical). Either try to find a way to beat it, or play more games such that it impacts the matchup statistics (either as Terran owning Zergs, or as Zerg getting roflstomped by Terran). Blizzard is going to respond more to statistical reflections of imbalance than people whining about it on the forums.

That's not true at all. Blizzard has time and time again been responding to specific criticisms made on forums. Statistics have little to do with their decisions.


and you know this because you have been inside the room when blizzard makes thier balence choices, clearly if something is imba people are going to complain and the stats will also show it. There is no way for you or anyone who isn't part of the conversation on game balence to know how they are deciding to make changes


Except the Situation Report they post every patch explaining why they make certain changes x_X
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Rorschach
Profile Joined May 2010
United States623 Posts
June 04 2010 04:10 GMT
#648
On June 04 2010 13:08 iCCup.Raelcun wrote:
Can this get closed now? Patch 15 while I dont personally like the changes make this whole shit storm invalid.



"shitstorm"? I am confused as I have heard that term in so many posts of late, is this community about BW/SC2 or scat?
En Taro Adun, Executor!
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
June 04 2010 04:11 GMT
#649
On June 04 2010 09:53 numberThirtyOne wrote:
2 solutions to Terran Mech:

Artosis:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2010 23:43 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
I don't know if this means anything but I asked Artosis last night if he wanted to play in the KOTH and he would not even play because of TvZ mech.



TheLittleOne:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2010 20:04 TheLittleOne wrote:
I will accept any challenge by a Top Terran player saying mech is too strong. Lets do some games and I will try to change your mind.


Regardless of the outcome of said games, <3 <3 <3 TLO.

TLO is fundamentally smart and understands principles and potential in concepts, whereas Artosis is an amazing Brood War player that learned the established 'rules' of the game from pros and then did what they did.

I believe TLO, and wish Blizzard wasn't so rash in their patches.
RoieTRS
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2569 Posts
June 04 2010 04:12 GMT
#650
TLO was a brood war player too...
konadora, in Racenilatr's blog: "you need to stop thinking about starcraft or anything computer-related for that matter. It's becoming a bad addiction imo"
Zeke50100
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2220 Posts
June 04 2010 04:17 GMT
#651
TLO is just SC2 for Boxer

I really do think that Blizzard should have given this a little more time. Regardless of whether or not this was really imbalanced, waiting another week or so wouldn't hurt anything; now, we won't ever know if they made the right decision.
space_yes
Profile Joined April 2010
United States548 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-04 04:20:43
June 04 2010 04:19 GMT
#652
On June 04 2010 13:12 RoieTRS wrote:
TLO was a brood war player too...


SC2 TvZ mech is very similar to BW TvZ mech...I think a lot of players were just 1a2a3a into the mech ball and then acting shocked when their army melted. Instead of revisiting their tactical play they focused on unit composition. These players will still have trouble with mech even with the siege tank nerf.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
June 04 2010 04:20 GMT
#653
On June 04 2010 13:09 fdsdfg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2010 13:02 jamesr12 wrote:
On June 04 2010 12:51 Lefnui wrote:
On June 04 2010 12:48 TheYango wrote:
On June 04 2010 12:44 Lefnui wrote:
Zerg players aren't 'qqing all day'. They're complaining because there is a matchup which is extremely imbalanced. That's completely logical and the correct response. It's quite frustrating when you dominate a game and still get rolled over by a newb because of tanks. It's not too early to tell, and it's not a case of whether or not mech "might be too strong". It's quite clear.

Complaining is never the "correct" response (though it's certainly logical). Either try to find a way to beat it, or play more games such that it impacts the matchup statistics (either as Terran owning Zergs, or as Zerg getting roflstomped by Terran). Blizzard is going to respond more to statistical reflections of imbalance than people whining about it on the forums.

That's not true at all. Blizzard has time and time again been responding to specific criticisms made on forums. Statistics have little to do with their decisions.


and you know this because you have been inside the room when blizzard makes thier balence choices, clearly if something is imba people are going to complain and the stats will also show it. There is no way for you or anyone who isn't part of the conversation on game balence to know how they are deciding to make changes


Except the Situation Report they post every patch explaining why they make certain changes x_X

And clearly the situation reports read "we heard players whining about this, so we nerfed it."
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Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
June 04 2010 04:30 GMT
#654
On June 04 2010 13:19 space_yes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2010 13:12 RoieTRS wrote:
TLO was a brood war player too...


SC2 TvZ mech is very similar to BW TvZ mech...I think a lot of players were just 1a2a3a into the mech ball and then acting shocked when their army melted. Instead of revisiting their tactical play they focused on unit composition. These players will still have trouble with mech even with the siege tank nerf.


Of course they will. The tank nerf will have very little effect on tvz.
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
Artosis *
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States2140 Posts
June 04 2010 04:31 GMT
#655
TLO is completely wrong. pre-this-patch (havent tried this patch yet), properly played mech is completely unbeatable by zerg. if he's been winning vs it, he's been playing people who have no idea how to mech.
Commentatorhttp://twitter.com/Artosis
Dog22
Profile Joined April 2010
United States140 Posts
June 04 2010 04:32 GMT
#656
The response "it's too early to tell" can be said about EVERY single nerf or change blizzard has done so far. While it may be right to say that, with that logic you should have been complaining about patches and changes long ago...and on that note, when is the proper time to change, nerf, or buff something?
Zeke50100
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2220 Posts
June 04 2010 04:36 GMT
#657
On June 04 2010 13:32 Dog22 wrote:
The response "it's too early to tell" can be said about EVERY single nerf or change blizzard has done so far. While it may be right to say that, with that logic you should have been complaining about patches and changes long ago...and on that note, when is the proper time to change, nerf, or buff something?


To be honest, I really just wanted to see the showmatches in the situation it was presented in (i.e. no new patch) :D
BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
June 04 2010 04:38 GMT
#658
On June 04 2010 13:31 Artosis wrote:
TLO is completely wrong. pre-this-patch (havent tried this patch yet), properly played mech is completely unbeatable by zerg. if he's been winning vs it, he's been playing people who have no idea how to mech.


calling something completely unbeatable after like max 2 weeks of testing is plain stupid. sorry but i just dont agree with people jumping the "OMG IMBA" gun when people havent even tried to adapt yet.

and just calling a unbiased player wrong cause he speaks against the "OMG OP OPOP " train doesnt help either.

i love what you do for the community but really your balance comments always look abit whiney :/
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Artosis *
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States2140 Posts
June 04 2010 04:39 GMT
#659
im simply stating the truth here. idra and i looked into it completely. i did nothing but play vs mech for 2 weeks. i spoke with every top zerg player on the subject. we tested every combo and timing. i am not whining, i know it will be patched, im simply stating the findings of the best players, something else that you should love.
Commentatorhttp://twitter.com/Artosis
Dog22
Profile Joined April 2010
United States140 Posts
June 04 2010 04:40 GMT
#660
On June 04 2010 13:36 Zeke50100 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2010 13:32 Dog22 wrote:
The response "it's too early to tell" can be said about EVERY single nerf or change blizzard has done so far. While it may be right to say that, with that logic you should have been complaining about patches and changes long ago...and on that note, when is the proper time to change, nerf, or buff something?


To be honest, I really just wanted to see the showmatches in the situation it was presented in (i.e. no new patch) :D


Definitely agree with you there.
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