EPTHow to fix TvZ Mech - Page 31
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
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lolastic
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comis
United States333 Posts
On June 04 2010 08:22 NuKedUFirst wrote: In my PERSONAL OPINION as a Random player (I prefer Zerg and Terran) that mech is strong, but not impossible to beat, I usually lose when zerg constantly harasses every spot he can with mutas, Thor are slow and if there is one spot that is out of range on the turret it just makes it a nightmare. Alot of zerg I play against in medium~ diamond go muta + burrowed roaches. Harass all weak spots with muta and then go roach+hydra. With the new overseer spawn infested terran in 200vs200 he throws infested terran at nearly all of my expos making it very annoying and while my army is out of place he hits a base. I believe your problem is getting more than 1 expansion. You only need enough resource to make your 200/200 army then a-move and win. You're spending too much time trying to defend multiple expansions. Just get the one, get 200/200, and then collect your win. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
What you said. People have taken the challenge I'm just organizing it. Don't state FACTS that you don't know. This IS happening I just had to get off work b4 i got all into it. | ||
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JreL209
United States78 Posts
On June 04 2010 08:10 Twinweapon wrote: Just look at the game between Idra and theLittleOne and you tell me mech is impossible to beat. That was a quick response to my post. Your on top of this thread. +1 Idra shows if you know what you're doing, ZvT is imb, except it's not in favor of Terran or Mech LAWL! BTW what is the challenge, I don't get it? Sen / TLO are challenging that THEIR terran MECH is IMB? Orrrr.... | ||
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Twinweapon
United States90 Posts
On June 04 2010 08:26 Konsume wrote: I didn't see any thors, not enough tanks and such... was not a good game for TLO He did had 4 thors and lost them all to broodlords and lost nearly all of his tanks from the broodlords as well. Broodlord beat all terran ground units and static defense. Roach counters pretty much all early and mid game mech as well. It is 30 minutes long so I let you pass for that one and no terran is just going mech, they go mech and viking. | ||
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Drunken.Jedi
Germany446 Posts
On June 04 2010 08:36 JreL209 wrote: +1 Idra shows if you know what you're doing, ZvT is imb, except it's not in favor of Terran or Mech LAWL! BTW what is the challenge, I don't get it? Sen / TLO are challenging that THEIR terran MECH is IMB? Orrrr.... Drewbie challenged top zerg players to a showmatch to prove that mech is overpowered and Sen accepted that challenge. TLO challenged top terran players to a showmatch (where he plays Z) to prove that mech is not overpowered. Not sure if anyone has accepted that challenge yet. | ||
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Piski
Finland3461 Posts
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Piski
Finland3461 Posts
On June 04 2010 08:46 Drunken.Jedi wrote: Drewbie challenged top zerg players to a showmatch to prove that mech is overpowered and Sen accepted that challenge. TLO challenged top terran players to a showmatch (where he plays Z) to prove that mech is not overpowered. Not sure if anyone has accepted that challenge yet. Read iccup.diamond post above. | ||
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Twinweapon
United States90 Posts
On June 04 2010 08:36 JreL209 wrote: +1 Idra shows if you know what you're doing, ZvT is imb, except it's not in favor of Terran or Mech LAWL! BTW what is the challenge, I don't get it? Sen / TLO are challenging that THEIR terran MECH is IMB? Orrrr.... It is a match up that can go either way. It is not imba at all for either side. Just at certain points in the game mech will have advantage and other parts Zerg air will have the advantage. Really it could have gone either way. Imba is just someone saying that when they themselves lose to that often and have not found a counter to it. Once this strategy is used more people will change their strategies again and find something to counter that and new strategies will continue to exist for quite a while. It has shown the weak sides of mech and exploiting them so learn from this and use it. | ||
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Dog22
United States140 Posts
It's very hard to actually test if something is completely imbalanced or gives a higher advantage to one race or the other just because of the wide variety of skill level among players. Maybe I'm crazy...probably. | ||
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Ciddass
Germany149 Posts
that fancy roach unburrow stuff that works pretty well against a hand full of tanks is just obsolete once the "critical mass" of mech is reached, benefiting hugely from the "no overkill" AI. well what is left ? infestors NP ? it does not work. even if you manage to pick off, well let's say 4 mechunits or let it be 5 which needs pretty decent micro against such a ground force it won't make a difference because your NP will last about 1,5 seconds if you're lucky ... or so -.-. broodlords only work theoretical. don't know what to say about ultras ... | ||
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
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Dog22
United States140 Posts
Although, I shouldn't complain because I enjoy watching high level games  | ||
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
Everyone happy now?  | ||
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Twinweapon
United States90 Posts
On June 04 2010 08:55 Dog22 wrote: I'm a little concerned. Wasn't tester saying not too long ago that there are few decent terrans anyways? He said maybe Maka was the best but euro / US are not so great. Am I just making this up? I think I remember it from one of Artosis's interviews. So if "lower level" terran players are giving high level zerg players a run for their money, and often beating them, isn't something wrong? I don't play either race, so I'm just on the outside looking in and wondering... It's very hard to actually test if something is completely imbalanced or gives a higher advantage to one race or the other just because of the wide variety of skill level among players. Maybe I'm crazy...probably. Tester said that the reason he believes that Zerg do so well on the Korea servers is because no extremely good terran's from the pro leagues were playing terran in SC2. There were however a few pro zerg players from the pro leagues in Korea that played zerg and he believed that why Zerg does so well in Korea. He also mentions in that interview that Terran would be the best race and would dominate if played by the Korea pros, but that was patch 12. But recently he has changed that stance against Zerg. He now prefers to play Protoss against Zerg at least and Terran against Protoss. That leads me to believe that he believes Protoss is strong against zerg and Terran is strong against Protoss. | ||
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Alphaes
United States651 Posts
On June 04 2010 09:05 Dog22 wrote: The showmatch just seems like a ridiculous idea anyways. If Terran wins, most Z will say "zerg did this wrong, didn't do this..." blah blah blah. Vice versa, if Zerg wins, Terran will say that the Terran player made certain mistakes...etc. It just seems like this won't solve anything. Although, I shouldn't complain because I enjoy watching high level games Actually most Zerg willl just go "I told you so, mech was imba", judging by the tone of this and other threads. Agree that it'll be nice set of showmatches to see even if it won't get us out of this quagmire. | ||
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Dog22
United States140 Posts
On June 04 2010 09:12 Alphaes wrote: Actually most Zerg willl just go "I told you so, mech was imba", judging by the tone of this and other threads. Agree that it'll be nice set of showmatches to see even if it won't get us out of this quagmire. Oh yeah, thanks. I guess I meant to say that but confused myself >_> | ||
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Twinweapon
United States90 Posts
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Everlong
Czech Republic1973 Posts
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