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Oh man, I was SO PUMPED when I read the thread title... and so sad when I read the article that says it includes Brood War :/
I hope that the goal here is to go over KeSPA's head with as few casualties as possible, and *exclusive* doesn't necessarily mean permanently so. Maybe OGN and MBC will be allowed to broadcast BW and SC2 if they cooperate with Blizzard instead of KeSPA. If that were to happen, the only other option would probably be for on-media and MBC to cut their game channels completely - who watches them for anything but BW? Either way, KeSPA would starve, but I hope Blizzard makes a reasonable offer to OGN/MBC.
I wouldn't mind the collapse of KeSPA at all, or the momentary collapse of the BW scene, as long as it would be quickly replaced by SOMETHING.
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One of the Kespa companies owns GOM so this will probably end up being a non-issue, despite the doomsday prophecies. CJ will probably do a side-deal with OGN and MBC and Kespa.
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Watch as Blizzard sponsors the MSL. Therefore, Blizzard will own OGN, Gom, and MBCGame; thereby, sidestepping all the other sponsors involved in KeSPA.
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On May 27 2010 12:12 hoborg wrote:
Oh man, I was SO PUMPED when I read the thread title... and so sad when I read the article that says it includes Brood War :/
I hope that the goal here is to go over KeSPA's head with as few casualties as possible, and *exclusive* doesn't necessarily mean permanently so. Maybe OGN and MBC will be allowed to broadcast BW and SC2 if they cooperate with Blizzard instead of KeSPA. If that were to happen, the only other option would probably be for on-media and MBC to cut their game channels completely - who watches them for anything but BW? Either way, KeSPA would starve, but I hope Blizzard makes a reasonable offer to OGN/MBC.
I wouldn't mind the collapse of KeSPA at all, or the momentary collapse of the BW scene, as long as it would be quickly replaced by SOMETHING.
OGN and MBC are part of KeSPA... GomTV, which Blizzard just made a deal with is owned by CJ, which is part of KeSPA. So essentially, Blizzard struck a deal indirectly with KeSPA, which most likely means nothing is going to change...
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On May 27 2010 11:39 Mykill wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 11:28 Lightwip wrote:
I have a feeling that KeSPA will eat them alive. At least for BW. No they won't KeSPA's got shit on Blizzard. BW is Blizzard's game so they can just not allow KeSPA to broadcast it.
Can they? What is the Korean law regarding this sort of thing? Assuming it is similar to the USA or Canada may not be a good idea.
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Must have Tasteless or its just not Gom
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On May 27 2010 12:17 Mastermind wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 11:39 Mykill wrote:On May 27 2010 11:28 Lightwip wrote:
I have a feeling that KeSPA will eat them alive. At least for BW. No they won't KeSPA's got shit on Blizzard. BW is Blizzard's game so they can just not allow KeSPA to broadcast it. Can they? What is the Korean law regarding this sort of thing? Assuming it is similar to the USA or Canada may not be correct.
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OGN and MBCGame won't be destroyed wtf. They will work out a deal via GOMTV for sure. This is business world not a kindergarden fight, money will drive every decision.
KeSPA on the other hand might very well be disbanded or lost their power. I can already see OGN, MBCGame and GOMTV forming a different association (something like a second KeSPA).
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On May 27 2010 12:17 JinMaikeul wrote:
OGN and MBC are part of KeSPA...
Can you explain or is there anywhere that clarifies how KeSPA and these corporations are connected? What would prevent them from abandoning their association with KeSPA if it would no longer be profitable for them to be partnered with them? KeSPA certainly dosen't own them, right? OGN/MBC Game would be owned by On Media / MBC which are huge broadcasting corporations.
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On May 27 2010 12:17 Mastermind wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 11:39 Mykill wrote:On May 27 2010 11:28 Lightwip wrote:
I have a feeling that KeSPA will eat them alive. At least for BW. No they won't KeSPA's got shit on Blizzard. BW is Blizzard's game so they can just not allow KeSPA to broadcast it. Can they? What is the Korean law regarding this sort of thing? Assuming it is similar to the USA or Canada may not be a good idea.
all first world countries have similarly enforced intellectual property laws
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On May 27 2010 12:23 hoborg wrote:Can you explain or is there anywhere that clarifies how KeSPA and these corporations are connected? What would prevent them from abandoning their association with KeSPA if it would no longer be profitable for them to be partnered with them? KeSPA certainly dosen't own them, right? OGN/MBC Game would be owned by On Media / MBC which are huge broadcasting corporations.
KeSPA is a organization of the sponsors that own the gaming teams. It doesn't exist as anything but. It only exists because the sponsors create and hire for it.
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You mean an organization that has people that throw matches and twist the law to destroy any competition wont have "exclusive" rights to the game?
Gosh...darn...that sucks.
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On May 27 2010 12:02 iamho wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 11:57 PanzerDragoon wrote:On May 27 2010 11:49 bearbuddy wrote:On May 27 2010 11:41 PanzerDragoon wrote:
I love how quickly Kespa goes from the villain banning celebrations and giving players losses for typing "ppp" to some sort of fallen hero just because BIG BAD BLIZZARD is pushing them around.
Did we forget all the crazy bullshit Kespa pulled during the years? Do you really think Kespa, a marketing organization made of some of the biggest, most powerful companies in Korea (and in Samsung's case, the world), gives a shit about the "integrity of esports" any more than what affects the bottom line? No, but at least Kespa understands how the market works and has been there from the beginning. Has the Blizzard executives ever attended proleague matches? Blizzard wants to tear the whole thing down and rebuild it according to their rules. What many of us here realizes is that this rebuilding process may not work, and everything will just be left in ruins, especially with someone as inexperienced as Blizzard in charge. They were helping sponsor Gom Invitationals until Kespa nut-shotted those.... so yes, probably. Right now, can e-sports really be damaged any more than the match fixing scandal? Nothing worse could happen than that, and it seems like it will rebound. I'm not worried about Blizzard "killing" e-sports. The Gom TV invitationals were great Kespa didn't kill the gom games, teams decided not to play because it was less prestigious, the commentators (korean ones) were shitty, the games were all one-sided 3-0s because nobody cared too much, and players needed more practice time. [1] And no, blizzard doesn't know shit about e-sports. And from their actions so far regarding the sc2 multiplayer, I would be very surprised if they didn't end up damaging the esports scene in some way [2]
[1] And why was it less prestigious? These things are more complicated than just a couple sentences worth of statements.
There was pressure from Kespa to stay away from GOMTV. This results in fewer players/teams getting involved or being less involved than they otherwise would have been. Add in that GOMTV was new (and therefore automatically less prestigious than MSL/OSL) and the uncertainty of the situation grows.
GOMTV did [i]fantastically[i/] well considering all these things. They did "horribly" in comparison to the major starleagues, but they went from "we don't exist" to "here we are" practically overnight. Add in that they had the wisdom (or foolishness, if you like) to set up ---> ENGLISH CASTING <--- and I can't help but cheer for them.
But you know what English-speaking fans did with that casting? They slammed it over and over. They "refused" (direct quote) to watch GOMTV because of all the reasons you mentioned (not as prestigious, players "don't care" about the games). I'm almost ashamed that a company in Korea tried (really actually tried) to give foreigners something that we didn't have and we just spit all over them.
Thousands of new foreigners had GOMTV leagues as their FIRST introduction to the pro Starcraft world. If they accomplished nothing else, then it would be enough. Many people have the SC2GG crew to thank for their introduction to Starcraft in the same way. A lot of people on TL bash these guys for their non-A+ level of Starcraft knowledge, but these individuals act as the gateway into the Starcraft world for the newbies out there - they are more important to Starcraft than most A-level foreigners.
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Wanna know some great stuff that those who "refused" to watch GOMTV missed? How about some wicked games from JulyZerg? He, and many other "older" players saw GOMTV as an opportunity for them to shine again. Other players like Iris (Berserker). Some of Iris' best games were played in GOMTV.
We also had a Bo5 showmatch between Jaedong and Bisu - and people complained that it wasn't "epic" enough (and then, magically, Bisu's level of play just plummets "afterward"). We had Flash vs. Jaedong, and a HUGE number of incredible Flash games. We had the first inklings of Calm showing that he would be awesome in the future. So many great games, but people just repeat this 3-0 bullshit over and over.
[2] I agree with you 100% here. Blizzard knows no more about e-sports than they do about dairy farming. If it were up to them, e-sports would die a slow, embarrassing death in the West. But by signing deals and rights away to other organizations, they are giving e-sports a real chance. I hope they use the same hands-off model in the West.
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On May 27 2010 12:17 Mastermind wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 11:39 Mykill wrote:On May 27 2010 11:28 Lightwip wrote:
I have a feeling that KeSPA will eat them alive. At least for BW. No they won't KeSPA's got shit on Blizzard. BW is Blizzard's game so they can just not allow KeSPA to broadcast it. Can they? What is the Korean law regarding this sort of thing? Assuming it is similar to the USA or Canada may not be a good idea.
The Korean law regarding it is that if you buy a legal copy of a game, you are allowed to broadcast it. This is pretty much why Blizzard has not been able to stop KeSPA from broadcasting Starcraft all these years...
On May 27 2010 12:23 hoborg wrote:Can you explain or is there anywhere that clarifies how KeSPA and these corporations are connected? What would prevent them from abandoning their association with KeSPA if it would no longer be profitable for them to be partnered with them? KeSPA certainly dosen't own them, right? OGN/MBC Game would be owned by On Media / MBC which are huge broadcasting corporations.
KeSPA is essentially the union that represents all of the corporations and entities that make pro-gaming possible in Korea. While KeSPA is its own entity much like a union is, it's really not in that it only exists through the corporations it represents. KeSPA and the corporate sponsors that make pro-gaming possible in Korea are one and the same. This is why we say that KeSPA owns everything. The gaming channels are owned by KeSPA because the companies are KeSPA members. All of the pro-gaming teams are owned by KeSPA because all of the coporations that each team represent are KeSPA members. You can't talk about the two as if they are different entities. So there's no such think as every KeSPA corporation running to Blizzard and leaving KeSPA in the dust. If that happened, it would mean that KeSPA itself ran to Blizzard since these corporations ARE KeSPA.
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On May 27 2010 12:04 Waxangel wrote:
well, looks like brood war is dead
no my dear friend,this is the end of brood war as we know it.
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On May 27 2010 12:25 PanzerDragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 12:17 Mastermind wrote:On May 27 2010 11:39 Mykill wrote:On May 27 2010 11:28 Lightwip wrote:
I have a feeling that KeSPA will eat them alive. At least for BW. No they won't KeSPA's got shit on Blizzard. BW is Blizzard's game so they can just not allow KeSPA to broadcast it. Can they? What is the Korean law regarding this sort of thing? Assuming it is similar to the USA or Canada may not be a good idea. all first world countries have similarly enforced intellectual property laws
On May 27 2010 12:30 JinMaikeul wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 12:17 Mastermind wrote:On May 27 2010 11:39 Mykill wrote:On May 27 2010 11:28 Lightwip wrote:
I have a feeling that KeSPA will eat them alive. At least for BW. No they won't KeSPA's got shit on Blizzard. BW is Blizzard's game so they can just not allow KeSPA to broadcast it. Can they? What is the Korean law regarding this sort of thing? Assuming it is similar to the USA or Canada may not be a good idea. The Korean law regarding it is that if you buy a legal copy of a game, you are allowed to broadcast it. This is pretty much why Blizzard has not been able to stop KeSPA from broadcasting Starcraft all these years...
Can someone confirm either of these 2 posts?
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This will actually work out pretty well.
The 12 Kespa teams will not be allowed to participate in the GOM-TV Starcraft II tournaments.
Therefore, new Starcraft II specific teams will be formed.
Korean Starcraft II will start at a lower skill level than its 12 broodwar counterparts, allowing foreigners to be competitive at a global stage.
As Starcraft II is a new game, even if the overall skill level of its professional scene is lower, it will still gather audience, both the old broodwar fans and new fans.
Slowly, but surely, some famous broodwar players will make the transition from broodwar to starcraft II, abandoning Kespa. Unless Kespa increase its incentives to the players.
GOM-TV will act as a competitor to Kespa, more human rights and better pay will be granted to the players as a result of the competition.
GOM-TV is willing to reach out to non-Korean scene, a fact that is very much beneficial to us.
This will work out very well.
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On May 27 2010 12:37 dukethegold wrote:
This will actually work out pretty well.
The 12 Kespa teams will not be allowed to participate in the GOM-TV Starcraft II tournaments.
Therefore, new Starcraft II specific teams will be formed.
Korean Starcraft II will start at a lower skill level than its 12 broodwar counterparts, allowing foreigners to be competitive at a global stage.
As Starcraft II is a new game, even if the overall skill level of its professional scene is lower, it will still gather audience, both the old broodwar fans and new fans.
Slowly, but surely, some famous broodwar players will make the transition from broodwar to starcraft II, abandoning Kespa. Unless Kespa increase its incentives to the players.
GOM-TV will act as a competitor to Kespa, more human rights and better pay will be granted to the players as a result of the competition.
GOM-TV is willing to reach out to non-Korean scene, a fact that is very much beneficial to us.
This will work out very well.
Hopefully by then Bnet will not suck.
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On May 27 2010 12:37 dukethegold wrote:
This will actually work out pretty well.
The 12 Kespa teams will not be allowed to participate in the GOM-TV Starcraft II tournaments.
Therefore, new Starcraft II specific teams will be formed.
Korean Starcraft II will start at a lower skill level than its 12 broodwar counterparts, allowing foreigners to be competitive at a global stage.
As Starcraft II is a new game, even if the overall skill level of its professional scene is lower, it will still gather audience, both the old broodwar fans and new fans.
Slowly, but surely, some famous broodwar players will make the transition from broodwar to starcraft II, abandoning Kespa. Unless Kespa increase its incentives to the players.
GOM-TV will act as a competitor to Kespa, more human rights and better pay will be granted to the players as a result of the competition.
GOM-TV is willing to reach out to non-Korean scene, a fact that is very much beneficial to us.
This will work out very well.
if you like that inferior game called SC II, you mean 
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Judging by how the broadcasts are still going on even after the fallout, I would say the Blizzard can't really enforce anything for SC1. I'm fine with whatever Blizzard do with SC2, just don't touch SC1. If SC2 becomes a more popular E-Sport, I would concede that Blizzard knows exactly what they're doing.
However, I think China will play one of the biggest role regarding SC2, and good luck to Blizzard for trying to crack that.
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