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I am a bit surprised that so many people who love e-sports has so little faith in e-sports as a concept. I am talking about all of those who are crying sky is falling because no KeSPA will mean the death of both broodwar and sc2 as e-sports in Korea.
I am not going to take away from KeSPA any of the work they have done to build bw as an e-sport however what does it actually take for an e-sport to grow? It takes people willing to organize it, it also takes a great game that people want to watch and it takes an audience that is willing to stick with the sport. Could broodwar had become an e-sport without the fans? No way.
Could it had become and e-sport without the actual game (read blizzard). No.
Could it had become an e-sport without KeSPA? Yes ofcourse. Those shoes can be filled by a lot of other people.
Those of you who say that an absence of KeSPA will automatically result in the death of the sport seem to assume that broodwar is actually not worthy if being an e-sport, that it does not actually have the audience but that KeSPA has pretty much kept it on life support for all these years, somehow creating an interest where there in reality is none. If broodwar is worthy of being an e-sport then the fans are not going to suddently stop enjoying watching the game because there is no KeSPA.
If one organization disappearing from the scene is all it takes to kill the entire sport then as far as I can tell it was not worthy of being an e-sport from the beginning. If the interest and demand is there, then broodwar will live on.
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On May 28 2010 23:28 AyJay wrote:
@maybenexttime
I don't see the point of arguing with you, as you don't want to change your opinion.
But I do have to say something:
"No Lan" - This was done not because blizzard doesn't care about e-sports, but because it promotes pirating and illegal tournaments. While it may be disappointing and irritating for some pro players, I have faith it will work out nicely with bnet
"threatening to shut down major BW leagues" - What? I can't find source of blizzard being against pro leagues. Heck, they are allowing current tournaments to finish.
"no chat channels" - it's temporal. Blizz promised it, Blizz will deliver it.
"region lock" - how does region lock will effect tournaments? Especially in Korea...
Go on flame me, call me idiot, tell I don't know anything, I'm done discussing this here
Edit: Oh almost forgot: Looking forward to eSports not being locked only in South Korea!
Blizzard promised online replays in WC3, and guess what, they never delivered. Unless Blizzard has server datacenters near every major tournament location, there will be latency issues. LAN ALWAYS provides the least latency when the computers are physically linked. I also seriously doubt Blizzard can just waltz into Korea and stop OSL, MSL, PL directly.
Next.
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That fiasco several years ago left such a bad aftertaste.
I am absolutely pleased with Blizzard's decision to give GOM the rights!
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I still think this will have next to no effect on the BW leagues in Korea but i might be wrong. From the previous threads about this it looked like Blizzard cant really enforce their IP rights in Korea about BW because of the Korean law and mostly because KESPA already bought the broadcasting rights for BW like 10 years ago or smth like that. We will have to wait for the official KESPA statment on monday.
Exactly the way it is. It's not about BW, they fight for sc2. Blizzard already lost the Bw fight long long ago.
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On May 28 2010 23:54 buhhy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2010 23:28 AyJay wrote:
@maybenexttime
I don't see the point of arguing with you, as you don't want to change your opinion.
But I do have to say something:
"No Lan" - This was done not because blizzard doesn't care about e-sports, but because it promotes pirating and illegal tournaments. While it may be disappointing and irritating for some pro players, I have faith it will work out nicely with bnet
"threatening to shut down major BW leagues" - What? I can't find source of blizzard being against pro leagues. Heck, they are allowing current tournaments to finish.
"no chat channels" - it's temporal. Blizz promised it, Blizz will deliver it.
"region lock" - how does region lock will effect tournaments? Especially in Korea...
Go on flame me, call me idiot, tell I don't know anything, I'm done discussing this here
Edit: Oh almost forgot: Looking forward to eSports not being locked only in South Korea! Blizzard promised online replays in WC3, and guess what, they never delivered. Unless Blizzard has server datacenters near every major tournament location, there will be latency issues. LAN ALWAYS provides the least latency when the computers are physically linked. I also seriously doubt Blizzard can just waltz into Korea and stop OSL, MSL, PL directly.Next.
THIS.
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On May 28 2010 23:52 xBillehx wrote:The mods of TL have responded to this many times within the past few days stating it's nothing new and the TSL has always asked for Blizzards permission so people shouldn't blow this out of proportion and overreact. I'll paste the response here. Show nested quote +On May 28 2010 08:52 Manifesto7 wrote:On May 28 2010 07:08 Garrl wrote:
Also: their new TOS for B.Net:
C. use the Service for any "e-sports" or group competition sponsored, promoted or facilitated by any commercial or non-profit entity without Blizzard's prior written consent. So fucking what. You know what this involves? Signing and faxing a form to them, so that they are not liable for any problems with the tournament. TL has done it with every event we have run in the last 3 years. @maybenexttime I posted a nice little bit of information about a page or 2 back, care to debunk my arguments? I'll requote it for you. Show nested quote +On May 28 2010 22:30 xBillehx wrote:
Blizzard now has a direct partner to run Starcraft tournaments.
It doesn't mean the very same companies that are part of KeSPA will never invest in the future of the scene, it just means they can't have control over everything.
SKT, CJ, Samsung (etc) can all still sponsor Starcraft leagues and the teams if they want. They can all continue to fund the houses and train Pro-gamers 14 hours a day. Funding teams and houses to have the best pro-gamers makes people want to watch those gamers and opens their eyes to see the company names on the uniforms. Why would this stop?
GOM TV is apparently willing to cooperate with OGN and MBC for broadcasting, who also have nothing to lose by continuing their support like before.
So GOM TV had crappy Korean casters, why can't they get new ones? Why can't they improve on what's bad, much like "KeSPA" did since it first came to be?
I really don't think it will be all that much different than it is now, perhaps minus the shitty attitude towards foreign markets. We'll have the games available online streaming live as well as worldwide leagues to promote eSports to more companies. Other tournaments like the HDH and TSL are unaffected since they already get permission from Blizzard and as an added bonus might even get their games broadcasted as well.
The main point I think people need to understand is this:
The companies that sponsor Starcraft leagues will now have one less thing to do, while still getting the exact same advertisement.
Companies sponsor for advertisement. None of them care whether it's Flash or Jaedong who wins, as long as they get the company name out. If it's profitable to spread their name all over Starcraft tournaments, theres absolutely no reason to stop.
Tell me, what do these companies (aka KeSPA) stand to lose by continuing to support esports like before? Control?
What is that one thing they will have less to do (don't mind the awkward wording T___T)?
The question is: will the sponsors/broadcasters (MBC/OGN/IEG) consider it's actually worth it after Blizzard and by extension GOMTV introduce their fees? The sponsors certainly will not get the same advertisments (two TV stations >>>>> internet streaming service).
If not, there will be no OSL or PL. If Blizzard financial demands are too high (in WoW's case they have), then the sponsors my as well cease their sponsorship of the teams.
What if Blizzard forces OGN/MBC to broadcast SC2 as free advertisment even if it turns out to be not beneficial to them lest they shut down their leagues?
I don't really have the time to debunk you post. Letmelose and Boonbag have already done that dozens of pages ago:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=127674¤tpage=19#380
Read from that post onwards.
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On May 28 2010 23:54 ymirheim wrote:
I am a bit surprised that so many people who love e-sports has so little faith in e-sports as a concept. I am talking about all of those who are crying sky is falling because no KeSPA will mean the death of both broodwar and sc2 as e-sports in Korea.
I am not going to take away from KeSPA any of the work they have done to build bw as an e-sport however what does it actually take for an e-sport to grow? It takes people willing to organize it, it also takes a great game that people want to watch and it takes an audience that is willing to stick with the sport. Could broodwar had become an e-sport without the fans? No way.
Could it had become and e-sport without the actual game (read blizzard). No.
Could it had become an e-sport without KeSPA? Yes ofcourse. Those shoes can be filled by a lot of other people.
Those of you who say that an absence of KeSPA will automatically result in the death of the sport seem to assume that broodwar is actually not worthy if being an e-sport, that it does not actually have the audience but that KeSPA has pretty much kept it on life support for all these years, somehow creating an interest where there in reality is none. If broodwar is worthy of being an e-sport then the fans are not going to suddently stop enjoying watching the game because there is no KeSPA.
If one organization disappearing from the scene is all it takes to kill the entire sport then as far as I can tell it was not worthy of being an e-sport from the beginning. If the interest and demand is there, then broodwar will live on.
See, if KeSPA doesn't exist, another similar organization will spring up to fill the void; it will be the same as KeSPA, only different in name. KeSPA isn't just an organization, it's somewhat of a concept. Ever competition has a governing association with the owners of teams in prominent positions.
And ESPORTS will never have the same impact has an actual sport. There will be no basketball 2.0 or football 4.2, the sport, and rules are more or less static. You can't improve these games beyond a few rule changes. Graphics? Already in high definition. Physics engine? Only the best there is. Networking? No lag.
Games, on the other hand, change on a regular basis. Graphics updates, engine upgrades, etc. If there is a turnover every few years, when most of the playerbase and fanbase move to the new game, there will be no players who will dedicate their life to such a craft, and more importantly, there will be no one who cares.
Plus, sports are healthy, games are not. It's better to be able to bench 200 lbs and run a 5 minute mile, than have 400 apm and have the gamesense of a god. In most sports, you also interact with other humans, unlike games where the most communication is often talking on vent or skype.
Anyways, I don't believe ESPORTS will become as mainstream as most sports. And because of that, it won't become more than a niche market for sponsors.
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So Blizzard is doing this because they are greedy bastards and want a profit but according to those same people this is going to ruin everything and it will just all end... which means Blizzard is not going to make a profit after all. If they can see this do you think that Blizzard doesnt?!? The market will adjust to suit what can be handled...
I would go so far as to guess that some of these companies have probably already started talks with GOM/Blizzard about all of this. Oh wait nevermind according to some KeSPA is God and it goes KeSPA > Corporations.
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See, if KeSPA doesn't exist, another similar organization will spring up to fill the void; it will be the same as KeSPA, only different in name. KeSPA isn't just an organization, it's somewhat of a concept. Ever competition has a governing association with the owners of teams in prominent positions.
God people never seem to understand what Kespa actually is. Even when it's stated like 100 times in this thread. Im out 
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On May 29 2010 00:13 buhhy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2010 23:54 ymirheim wrote:
I am a bit surprised that so many people who love e-sports has so little faith in e-sports as a concept. I am talking about all of those who are crying sky is falling because no KeSPA will mean the death of both broodwar and sc2 as e-sports in Korea.
I am not going to take away from KeSPA any of the work they have done to build bw as an e-sport however what does it actually take for an e-sport to grow? It takes people willing to organize it, it also takes a great game that people want to watch and it takes an audience that is willing to stick with the sport. Could broodwar had become an e-sport without the fans? No way.
Could it had become and e-sport without the actual game (read blizzard). No.
Could it had become an e-sport without KeSPA? Yes ofcourse. Those shoes can be filled by a lot of other people.
Those of you who say that an absence of KeSPA will automatically result in the death of the sport seem to assume that broodwar is actually not worthy if being an e-sport, that it does not actually have the audience but that KeSPA has pretty much kept it on life support for all these years, somehow creating an interest where there in reality is none. If broodwar is worthy of being an e-sport then the fans are not going to suddently stop enjoying watching the game because there is no KeSPA.
If one organization disappearing from the scene is all it takes to kill the entire sport then as far as I can tell it was not worthy of being an e-sport from the beginning. If the interest and demand is there, then broodwar will live on.
See, if KeSPA doesn't exist, another similar organization will spring up to fill the void; it will be the same as KeSPA, only different in name. KeSPA isn't just an organization, it's somewhat of a concept. Ever competition has a governing association with the owners of teams in prominent positions. And ESPORTS will never have the same impact has an actual sport. There will be no basketball 2.0 or football 4.2, the sport, and rules are more or less static. You can't improve these games beyond a few rule changes. Graphics? Already in high definition. Physics engine? Only the best there is. Networking? No lag. Games, on the other hand, change on a regular basis. Graphics updates, engine upgrades, etc. If there is a turnover every few years, when most of the playerbase and fanbase move to the new game, there will be no players who will dedicate their life to such a craft, and more importantly, there will be no one who cares. Plus, sports are healthy, games are not. It's better to be able to bench 200 lbs and run a 5 minute mile, than have 400 apm and have the gamesense of a god. In most sports, you also interact with other humans, unlike games where the most communication is often talking on vent or skype. Anyways, I don't believe ESPORTS will become as mainstream as most sports. And because of that, it won't become more than a niche market for sponsors.
Um, why is this a reply to my post? It seems to have little or nothing to do with what I was actually talking about.
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On May 29 2010 00:21 ymirheim wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2010 00:13 buhhy wrote:On May 28 2010 23:54 ymirheim wrote:
I am a bit surprised that so many people who love e-sports has so little faith in e-sports as a concept. I am talking about all of those who are crying sky is falling because no KeSPA will mean the death of both broodwar and sc2 as e-sports in Korea.
I am not going to take away from KeSPA any of the work they have done to build bw as an e-sport however what does it actually take for an e-sport to grow? It takes people willing to organize it, it also takes a great game that people want to watch and it takes an audience that is willing to stick with the sport. Could broodwar had become an e-sport without the fans? No way.
Could it had become and e-sport without the actual game (read blizzard). No.
Could it had become an e-sport without KeSPA? Yes ofcourse. Those shoes can be filled by a lot of other people.
Those of you who say that an absence of KeSPA will automatically result in the death of the sport seem to assume that broodwar is actually not worthy if being an e-sport, that it does not actually have the audience but that KeSPA has pretty much kept it on life support for all these years, somehow creating an interest where there in reality is none. If broodwar is worthy of being an e-sport then the fans are not going to suddently stop enjoying watching the game because there is no KeSPA.
If one organization disappearing from the scene is all it takes to kill the entire sport then as far as I can tell it was not worthy of being an e-sport from the beginning. If the interest and demand is there, then broodwar will live on.
See, if KeSPA doesn't exist, another similar organization will spring up to fill the void; it will be the same as KeSPA, only different in name. KeSPA isn't just an organization, it's somewhat of a concept. Ever competition has a governing association with the owners of teams in prominent positions. And ESPORTS will never have the same impact has an actual sport. There will be no basketball 2.0 or football 4.2, the sport, and rules are more or less static. You can't improve these games beyond a few rule changes. Graphics? Already in high definition. Physics engine? Only the best there is. Networking? No lag. Games, on the other hand, change on a regular basis. Graphics updates, engine upgrades, etc. If there is a turnover every few years, when most of the playerbase and fanbase move to the new game, there will be no players who will dedicate their life to such a craft, and more importantly, there will be no one who cares. Plus, sports are healthy, games are not. It's better to be able to bench 200 lbs and run a 5 minute mile, than have 400 apm and have the gamesense of a god. In most sports, you also interact with other humans, unlike games where the most communication is often talking on vent or skype. Anyways, I don't believe ESPORTS will become as mainstream as most sports. And because of that, it won't become more than a niche market for sponsors. Um, why is this a reply to my post? It seems to have little or nothing to do with what I was actually talking about.
You were wondering why people don't believe in ESPORTS as a concept. It's also the reason why sponsors aren't clambering to sponsor teams and events.
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On May 29 2010 00:18 wiesel wrote:Show nested quote +See, if KeSPA doesn't exist, another similar organization will spring up to fill the void; it will be the same as KeSPA, only different in name. KeSPA isn't just an organization, it's somewhat of a concept. Ever competition has a governing association with the owners of teams in prominent positions. God people never seem to understand what Kespa actually is. Even when it's stated like 100 times in this thread. Im out
KeSPA is Korean progaming. It has representatives from every sponsor and from MBC and OGN. Am I wrong? Or, are you misinterpreting my post?
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On May 29 2010 00:23 buhhy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2010 00:21 ymirheim wrote:On May 29 2010 00:13 buhhy wrote:On May 28 2010 23:54 ymirheim wrote:
I am a bit surprised that so many people who love e-sports has so little faith in e-sports as a concept. I am talking about all of those who are crying sky is falling because no KeSPA will mean the death of both broodwar and sc2 as e-sports in Korea.
I am not going to take away from KeSPA any of the work they have done to build bw as an e-sport however what does it actually take for an e-sport to grow? It takes people willing to organize it, it also takes a great game that people want to watch and it takes an audience that is willing to stick with the sport. Could broodwar had become an e-sport without the fans? No way.
Could it had become and e-sport without the actual game (read blizzard). No.
Could it had become an e-sport without KeSPA? Yes ofcourse. Those shoes can be filled by a lot of other people.
Those of you who say that an absence of KeSPA will automatically result in the death of the sport seem to assume that broodwar is actually not worthy if being an e-sport, that it does not actually have the audience but that KeSPA has pretty much kept it on life support for all these years, somehow creating an interest where there in reality is none. If broodwar is worthy of being an e-sport then the fans are not going to suddently stop enjoying watching the game because there is no KeSPA.
If one organization disappearing from the scene is all it takes to kill the entire sport then as far as I can tell it was not worthy of being an e-sport from the beginning. If the interest and demand is there, then broodwar will live on.
See, if KeSPA doesn't exist, another similar organization will spring up to fill the void; it will be the same as KeSPA, only different in name. KeSPA isn't just an organization, it's somewhat of a concept. Ever competition has a governing association with the owners of teams in prominent positions. And ESPORTS will never have the same impact has an actual sport. There will be no basketball 2.0 or football 4.2, the sport, and rules are more or less static. You can't improve these games beyond a few rule changes. Graphics? Already in high definition. Physics engine? Only the best there is. Networking? No lag. Games, on the other hand, change on a regular basis. Graphics updates, engine upgrades, etc. If there is a turnover every few years, when most of the playerbase and fanbase move to the new game, there will be no players who will dedicate their life to such a craft, and more importantly, there will be no one who cares. Plus, sports are healthy, games are not. It's better to be able to bench 200 lbs and run a 5 minute mile, than have 400 apm and have the gamesense of a god. In most sports, you also interact with other humans, unlike games where the most communication is often talking on vent or skype. Anyways, I don't believe ESPORTS will become as mainstream as most sports. And because of that, it won't become more than a niche market for sponsors. Um, why is this a reply to my post? It seems to have little or nothing to do with what I was actually talking about. You were wondering why people don't believe in ESPORTS as a concept. It's also the reason why sponsors aren't clambering to sponsor teams and events.
Actually that is not what I was asking at all. I was pointing out the absurdity in thinking that the e-sport as it is today would just disappear if KeSPA disappeared. Because that would mean that there has actually never been any spectator interest in broodwar but it was all just a house of cards held up by KeSPA.
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On May 29 2010 00:24 buhhy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2010 00:18 wiesel wrote:See, if KeSPA doesn't exist, another similar organization will spring up to fill the void; it will be the same as KeSPA, only different in name. KeSPA isn't just an organization, it's somewhat of a concept. Ever competition has a governing association with the owners of teams in prominent positions. God people never seem to understand what Kespa actually is. Even when it's stated like 100 times in this thread. Im out KeSPA is Korean progaming. It has representatives from every sponsor and from MBC and OGN. Am I wrong? Or, are you misinterpreting my post?
I think he meant the post below yours and quoted you because you explained it well in a concise manner.
On May 29 2010 00:26 ymirheim wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2010 00:23 buhhy wrote:On May 29 2010 00:21 ymirheim wrote:On May 29 2010 00:13 buhhy wrote:On May 28 2010 23:54 ymirheim wrote:
I am a bit surprised that so many people who love e-sports has so little faith in e-sports as a concept. I am talking about all of those who are crying sky is falling because no KeSPA will mean the death of both broodwar and sc2 as e-sports in Korea.
I am not going to take away from KeSPA any of the work they have done to build bw as an e-sport however what does it actually take for an e-sport to grow? It takes people willing to organize it, it also takes a great game that people want to watch and it takes an audience that is willing to stick with the sport. Could broodwar had become an e-sport without the fans? No way.
Could it had become and e-sport without the actual game (read blizzard). No.
Could it had become an e-sport without KeSPA? Yes ofcourse. Those shoes can be filled by a lot of other people.
Those of you who say that an absence of KeSPA will automatically result in the death of the sport seem to assume that broodwar is actually not worthy if being an e-sport, that it does not actually have the audience but that KeSPA has pretty much kept it on life support for all these years, somehow creating an interest where there in reality is none. If broodwar is worthy of being an e-sport then the fans are not going to suddently stop enjoying watching the game because there is no KeSPA.
If one organization disappearing from the scene is all it takes to kill the entire sport then as far as I can tell it was not worthy of being an e-sport from the beginning. If the interest and demand is there, then broodwar will live on.
See, if KeSPA doesn't exist, another similar organization will spring up to fill the void; it will be the same as KeSPA, only different in name. KeSPA isn't just an organization, it's somewhat of a concept. Ever competition has a governing association with the owners of teams in prominent positions. And ESPORTS will never have the same impact has an actual sport. There will be no basketball 2.0 or football 4.2, the sport, and rules are more or less static. You can't improve these games beyond a few rule changes. Graphics? Already in high definition. Physics engine? Only the best there is. Networking? No lag. Games, on the other hand, change on a regular basis. Graphics updates, engine upgrades, etc. If there is a turnover every few years, when most of the playerbase and fanbase move to the new game, there will be no players who will dedicate their life to such a craft, and more importantly, there will be no one who cares. Plus, sports are healthy, games are not. It's better to be able to bench 200 lbs and run a 5 minute mile, than have 400 apm and have the gamesense of a god. In most sports, you also interact with other humans, unlike games where the most communication is often talking on vent or skype. Anyways, I don't believe ESPORTS will become as mainstream as most sports. And because of that, it won't become more than a niche market for sponsors. Um, why is this a reply to my post? It seems to have little or nothing to do with what I was actually talking about. You were wondering why people don't believe in ESPORTS as a concept. It's also the reason why sponsors aren't clambering to sponsor teams and events. Actually that is not what I was asking at all. I was pointing out the absurdity in thinking that the e-sport as it is today would just disappear if KeSPA disappeared. Because that would mean that there has actually never been any spectator interest in broodwar but it was all just a house of cards held up by KeSPA.
Ugh, if KeSPA disappears aka OGN/MBC stop broadcasting (no OSL/MSL/PL), progaming teams are no more, etc. then who cares about spectator interest if there is nothing to spectate?
What people need to realize is that esports (Korean BW) and competitive gaming (WC3, CS 1.6 etc.) are two different things.
Corporate sponsors and TV stations broadcasting games make a huge difference.
It's like saying "If Champions League disappears, all TV stations stop broadcastining football games and the teams themselves disband and thus football as we know it would disappear, then that means there has actually never been any spectator interest."
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On May 29 2010 00:18 Vykenos wrote:
I would go so far as to guess that some of these companies have probably already started talks with GOM/Blizzard about all of this. Oh wait nevermind according to some KeSPA is God and it goes KeSPA > Corporations.
HAHAHAHAHA...
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I think he meant the post below yours and quoted you because you explained it well in a concise manner.
Yes exactly, sorry for the confusion.
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On May 29 2010 00:26 ymirheim wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2010 00:23 buhhy wrote:On May 29 2010 00:21 ymirheim wrote:On May 29 2010 00:13 buhhy wrote:On May 28 2010 23:54 ymirheim wrote:
I am a bit surprised that so many people who love e-sports has so little faith in e-sports as a concept. I am talking about all of those who are crying sky is falling because no KeSPA will mean the death of both broodwar and sc2 as e-sports in Korea.
I am not going to take away from KeSPA any of the work they have done to build bw as an e-sport however what does it actually take for an e-sport to grow? It takes people willing to organize it, it also takes a great game that people want to watch and it takes an audience that is willing to stick with the sport. Could broodwar had become an e-sport without the fans? No way.
Could it had become and e-sport without the actual game (read blizzard). No.
Could it had become an e-sport without KeSPA? Yes ofcourse. Those shoes can be filled by a lot of other people.
Those of you who say that an absence of KeSPA will automatically result in the death of the sport seem to assume that broodwar is actually not worthy if being an e-sport, that it does not actually have the audience but that KeSPA has pretty much kept it on life support for all these years, somehow creating an interest where there in reality is none. If broodwar is worthy of being an e-sport then the fans are not going to suddently stop enjoying watching the game because there is no KeSPA.
If one organization disappearing from the scene is all it takes to kill the entire sport then as far as I can tell it was not worthy of being an e-sport from the beginning. If the interest and demand is there, then broodwar will live on.
See, if KeSPA doesn't exist, another similar organization will spring up to fill the void; it will be the same as KeSPA, only different in name. KeSPA isn't just an organization, it's somewhat of a concept. Ever competition has a governing association with the owners of teams in prominent positions. And ESPORTS will never have the same impact has an actual sport. There will be no basketball 2.0 or football 4.2, the sport, and rules are more or less static. You can't improve these games beyond a few rule changes. Graphics? Already in high definition. Physics engine? Only the best there is. Networking? No lag. Games, on the other hand, change on a regular basis. Graphics updates, engine upgrades, etc. If there is a turnover every few years, when most of the playerbase and fanbase move to the new game, there will be no players who will dedicate their life to such a craft, and more importantly, there will be no one who cares. Plus, sports are healthy, games are not. It's better to be able to bench 200 lbs and run a 5 minute mile, than have 400 apm and have the gamesense of a god. In most sports, you also interact with other humans, unlike games where the most communication is often talking on vent or skype. Anyways, I don't believe ESPORTS will become as mainstream as most sports. And because of that, it won't become more than a niche market for sponsors. Um, why is this a reply to my post? It seems to have little or nothing to do with what I was actually talking about. You were wondering why people don't believe in ESPORTS as a concept. It's also the reason why sponsors aren't clambering to sponsor teams and events. Actually that is not what I was asking at all. I was pointing out the absurdity in thinking that the e-sport as it is today would just disappear if KeSPA disappeared. Because that would mean that there has actually never been any spectator interest in broodwar but it was all just a house of cards held up by KeSPA.
O lol, k, anyways, BW progaming is pretty fragile compared to real sports. It doesn't take too hard of a push to send it toppling down.
On May 29 2010 00:31 wiesel wrote:Show nested quote +I think he meant the post below yours and quoted you because you explained it well in a concise manner. Yes exactly, sorry for the confusion.
Oops, lol, I misunderstood.
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I think its pretty stupid for Blizzards to take so called actions. They can put shit in the EULA all day long, that doesnt make it legal in many parts of the world.
Since Blizzard cant bend them legally they are grasping at straws to make them obey.
Why is it stupid?
First of i believe there is no money directly to be made from e-sports itself. The advertising exposure and cheap way to produce content is what makes it worth while for those companies involved.
Why Blizzard wants to destroy free advertisement for their games is beyond me, yes they may be able to squeeze some money (short term) in form of licensing fees out of the korean companies which are more willing to comply but in the long run this seems pretty stupid to me because big corporate sponsors want something in return - which Blizzard cannot deliver without TV Stations and a big appeal to millions of people.
Yet Blizzard is going on a limb here, sacrificing free advertisement for their upcoming game Starcraft 2 for imaginary licensing fees that nobody will be able and willing to pay.
Its gonna be very interesting whats going to happen, cant wait for the upcoming press release. I am pretty sure that Blizzards silly demands will be ignored and things go on as they were before.
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On May 29 2010 00:41 icydergosu wrote:
I think its pretty stupid for Blizzards to take so called actions. They can put shit in the EULA all day long, that doesnt make it legal in many parts of the world.
Since Blizzard cant bend them legally they are grasping at straws to make them obey.
Why is it stupid?
First of i believe there is no money directly to be made from e-sports itself. The advertising exposure and cheap way to produce content is what makes it worth while for those companies involved.
Why Blizzard wants to destroy free advertisement for their games is beyond me, yes they may be able to squeeze some money (short term) in form of licensing fees out of the korean companies which are more willing to comply but in the long run this seems pretty stupid to me because big corporate sponsors want something in return - which Blizzard cannot deliver without TV Stations and a big appeal to millions of people.
Yet Blizzard is going on a limb here, sacrificing free advertisement for their upcoming game Starcraft 2 for imaginary licensing fees that nobody will be able and willing to pay.
Its gonna be very interesting whats going to happen, cant wait for the upcoming press release. I am pretty sure that Blizzards silly demands will be ignored and things go on as they were before.
It makes sense to me.
You think SC2 would be as successful if there are pro BW matches going on?
They know people would look down to SC2, and say how much superior BW is, maybe not all of them, but many.
Also, with the restrictions SC2 would be a much less attractive game for the sponsors. So overall, BW would be SC2's major competitor, kind of PS2 vs PS3 in Japan at PS3's release.
To kill the competence they try to make BW as hard (if not much harder*) to televise than SC2, so more people will watch SC2 than if pro BW was going on. It wouldn't be much, still, but more for sure.
* I would like KeSPA to tell how much money GomTV is asking for. I'm sure they'll allow to broadcast SC2 almost for free (at least for now), while asking high fees for BW. Remember that Activision Blizzard asked for total control in their contracts, so they can choose things like that.
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On May 29 2010 00:41 icydergosu wrote:
I think its pretty stupid for Blizzards to take so called actions. They can put shit in the EULA all day long, that doesnt make it legal in many parts of the world.
Since Blizzard cant bend them legally they are grasping at straws to make them obey.
Why is it stupid?
First of i believe there is no money directly to be made from e-sports itself. The advertising exposure and cheap way to produce content is what makes it worth while for those companies involved.
Why Blizzard wants to destroy free advertisement for their games is beyond me, yes they may be able to squeeze some money (short term) in form of licensing fees out of the korean companies which are more willing to comply but in the long run this seems pretty stupid to me because big corporate sponsors want something in return - which Blizzard cannot deliver without TV Stations and a big appeal to millions of people.
Yet Blizzard is going on a limb here, sacrificing free advertisement for their upcoming game Starcraft 2 for imaginary licensing fees that nobody will be able and willing to pay.
Its gonna be very interesting whats going to happen, cant wait for the upcoming press release. I am pretty sure that Blizzards silly demands will be ignored and things go on as they were before.
Well, thing is that Blizzard doesn't make money off of BW anymore, and they probably don't give a shit if BW dies. They would probably rather that those 1 million koreans that still play BW go out and buy SC2, which would make them a lot more money than the BW pro scene will make them in the next few years. I don't know what would be best for SC2 right now, if every single korean BW pro moved over to SC2, then I think they would dominated it just like they did BW, and I for one don't really want to see that happen.
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