EPTAn Open Letter to Blizzard Regarding Divisions - Page 6
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Hydrolisko
Vanuatu1659 Posts
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zerorepent
Sweden6 Posts
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Gibybo
United States229 Posts
On May 22 2010 21:23 Hydrolisko wrote: Gibyo I fully understand your point and to some degree endorse it. But my heart tells me to respectfully disagree. Believe it or not a lot of us suck at this game, and we are going to be mere statistics with respect to the global ranking; yes, that would be the majority of us. Most of us would prefer to strive for number 1 (or top 10, or top 50, or even top 100) in a division than striving for say, being 10,050th on the global rankings. The point you make about it being condescending is not without merit, but I think it needs to take into account more context. The people condescended by this are only the people who are good enough to be condescended by it... if you get my drift. In the end I think this system is more friendly to the majority, perhaps the vast majority, of gamers out there. And that probably means selling more copies. I actually think a third party mechanism like your website, or even one created by Blizzard outside of bnet, may be a decent compromise. Who knows... the ladder system can definitely be improved in more ways than one. What if they did both?  | ||
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Naib
Hungary4844 Posts
Why should we need a 3rd party tool for all that? I agree that this is to cater the waves of noobs out there, but Blizzard should make sure the top players could easily know where they stand. I'm sure that having both systems in place (integrating a StarCraftrankings like ladder while keeping the current division system) would be a fair compromise. | ||
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Hydrolisko
Vanuatu1659 Posts
I was about to explicitly address that point but deleted it because it was getting too wordy. But the thing about doing both is somewhat implicitly addressed in the last couple sentences. Basically, people don't want to be reminded that they're a statistic daily, having both would still have that effect. For example, I'd have a division rank of 11th, and a global ranking of 10000. That is why I think a third party (or even Blizz) outside of bnet should have the global ranking, that way ppl can check it at their whim if they're curious, and not be reminded daily that they really don't matter in the big picture. | ||
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billyX333
United States1360 Posts
On May 22 2010 21:21 Tdelamay wrote: You're sorely wrong on that. There are some apparent correlation between patches and discussion that were had on Team Liquid. The Starcraft 2 development team listens to these thread and they sometimes make change related to them. ? you're right, on some issues like micro, ultralisks, forcefields, and zerg being boring/not diverse; they have definitely made some good changes but from every interview i've read involving blizzard devs they are always defending their ideas that may be viewed in a critical light like about the mothership going from being an overpowered hero unit to being big slow worthless arbiter, devs will passionately disagree with you when a person asked about moving shot, they said they see nothing wrong with the engine and defending themselves saying "its impossible to perfectly mimic the BW engine" and much criticism around battle.net's division/ladder system has been dismissed or put on the bottom of a long priorities list I could go on and on and make references to blizzard dev interviews where they dismiss criticism or throw it into a long "to-do" list a to-do list that apparently had facebook integration as one of the very top priorities + Show Spoiler + once blizzard is able to look at an addition/nerf and immediately undo it due to poor reviews, then i'll believe the dev team has officially removed themselves from their egos and dont feel a need to stubbornly adhere to their bad ideas/mistakes right now the only changes you're referring to are just adjustments/changes/additions i havent seen them look at anything they've done specifically and been like "you know what, that was a bad idea we need to remove/undo that | ||
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RivalryRedux
United States173 Posts
I like your website a lot but I wish it wasn't necessary. | ||
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Gibybo
United States229 Posts
On May 22 2010 21:31 Hydrolisko wrote: I was about to explicitly address that point but deleted it because it was getting too wordy. But the thing about doing both is somewhat implicitly addressed in the last couple sentences. Basically, people don't want to be reminded that they're a statistic daily, having both would still have that effect. For example, I'd have a division rank of 11th, and a global ranking of 10000. That is why I think a third party (or even Blizz) outside of bnet should have the global ranking, that way ppl can check it at their whim if they're curious, and not be reminded daily that they really don't matter in the big picture. How about bronze-platinum stay as they are, and they just change diamond to one division? It doesn't completely solve the issue because I'm sure there are some bronze-platinum players who want to know their overall ranking, but for the most part I think players in diamond want to know global ranks and those in other leagues want to know division ranks. | ||
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Buffy
Sweden665 Posts
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FrogOfWar
Germany1406 Posts
On May 22 2010 21:23 Hydrolisko wrote: Gibyo I fully understand your point and to some degree endorse it. But my heart tells me to respectfully disagree. Believe it or not a lot of us suck at this game, and we are going to be mere statistics with respect to the global ranking; yes, that would be the majority of us. Most of us would prefer to strive for number 1 (or top 10, or top 50, or even top 100) in a division than striving for say, being 10,050th on the global rankings. The point you make about it being condescending is not without merit, but I think it needs to take into account more context. The people condescended by this are only the people who are good enough to be condescended by it... if you get my drift. In the end I think this system is more friendly to the majority, perhaps the vast majority, of gamers out there. And that probably means selling more copies. I actually think a third party mechanism like your website, or even one created by Blizzard outside of bnet, may be a decent compromise. Who knows... the ladder system can definitely be improved in more ways than one. I don't think the OP argues for scrapping the divisions and replacing it with a single unified ladder. Of course it would be frustrating and lame trying to advance from rank 27648242 on such a ladder. He just asks for a way to check one's global rank. I think that could easily coexist with the divisions. It doesn't need to be in your face all the time if you don't want to know. As for me, although I'll never compete anywhere near the top, at least I'd like to know where I stand compared to, say, the average. I'm struggling to make sense of an information like being 50 gold. What does that mean, especially since gold, which in the olympics means win, labels the mediocre category in sc2. That's obscuring information for the sake of meaningless feel-good rhetorics indeed. Therefore: signed. | ||
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Hydrolisko
Vanuatu1659 Posts
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
Well maybe I don't like divisions so much now tho that I placed into the same one as: CauthonLuck, KawaiiRice, SLush, eeK, and Kiwikaki ;(...... But in all seriousness divisions are there for the casual fans (which outnumber us like 200-1) will find divisions very, very appealing. | ||
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hordeau
United States157 Posts
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Sight
United States148 Posts
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AcrossFiveJulys
United States3612 Posts
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eSen1a
Australia1058 Posts
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metasonic
United States115 Posts
Plus, in a global ranking system, you would see yourself move up and down hundreds of places with every win and loss. I don't see why this isn't enough for people, and they would rather be tricked instead... \signed | ||
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anotak
United States1537 Posts
if you manage to be more meaningless than iccup rank you are messing up badly | ||
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mnck
Denmark1518 Posts
That way they can keep their divisions, and only people who care about global rankings can lurk on the online ladders. | ||
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Rhodan
Australia232 Posts
I shouldn't have to go to a third party just to have any idea of how Im doing. | ||
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