EPTexclusive sub-forum for high platinum players. - Page 4
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Apolo
Portugal1259 Posts
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Apolo
Portugal1259 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
Okay, that's better. | ||
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Jacobs Ladder
United States1705 Posts
On May 21 2010 19:54 iCCup.Nove wrote: I don't believe they're saying it should be hidden from us plebeians, but rather that we should be able to view it, but not post there. That said, I don't have an opinion because I'm new here and don't thing I should have a say yet Though I like this idea but I think it takes too much away from the average poster. If I was unable to view Jinro's and Nony's opinion on certain matters I would not be the player I am today. If there was a forum just for high level players I assume they'd mostly post in there and generally stray away from the average strategy forum. The amount of BS posts in the strategy forum would likely increase as well due to the decreased input from players who know what they're doing.  . | ||
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Lobo2me
Norway1213 Posts
Just because someone is a better player doesn't mean they are good at balancing or that their suggestions are worth anything, but it will definitely reduce the "I lost to something, nerf it" spam that some bad players use. | ||
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Red Alert
United States119 Posts
On May 21 2010 23:01 Lobo2me wrote: One problem is that you can have high platinum players that are more biased and contribute less to balance because they want to win with their race. Or a silver player that has 100 apm and thus can't do everything all the time, but realizes that most of his losses are because of that or because he met a better player. Just because someone is a better player doesn't mean they are good at balancing or that their suggestions are worth anything, but it will definitely reduce the "I lost to something, nerf it" spam that some bad players use. you can be high plat with 100 apm easy, not very hard | ||
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KobraKay
Portugal4316 Posts
On May 21 2010 23:01 Lobo2me wrote: One problem is that you can have high platinum players that are more biased and contribute less to balance because they want to win with their race. Or a silver player that has 100 apm and thus can't do everything all the time, but realizes that most of his losses are because of that or because he met a better player. Just because someone is a better player doesn't mean they are good at balancing or that their suggestions are worth anything, but it will definitely reduce the "I lost to something, nerf it" spam that some bad players use. This. Good players (in other sports) dont always become good coaches (for example). Know how to play doesnt mean you understand what is behind what you do. How many players just copy BO and get wins because they perfect their use? Would you rather have someone that only knows how to win with an Immortal timing push giving balance opinions or someone who reads and adapts to what he sees in game and tries to learn from his losses? I think the first player would just complain that banshees are OP because immortals cant shoot them while the second would start building stalkers and probably a stargate. I used obvious exaggerations on this post but it was just to show my point because this doesnt happen with all good players, theres a good number of them that understand the game better than the average player and that lets them win. Balance wise they will tend to favor their races imho! | ||
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Talic_Zealot
688 Posts
P.S. Whoops sorry i didn't realise that there is one already.. It hasn't patched yet here.. | ||
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gogogadgetflow
United States2583 Posts
Or a silver player that has 100 apm and thus can't do everything all the time, but realizes that most of his losses are because of that or because he met a better player I play top-ranked silvers through mid-ranked plats and they pretty much all have between 50 and 80 apm. I rewatch all my losses and have never seen over 100. | ||
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BlasiuS
United States2405 Posts
Does that make me too elitist? Actually even if I didn't get in I still think it would be a good idea. There's so many trash players in platinum, and people who are in platinum think they are good and give garbage advice all the time. Being in platinum (oops I mean diamond) doesn't mean much really. But maybe once retail hits, diamond league will actually only contain the better players in the community. | ||
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
You also assume that all of the platinum players are the top players, trust me alot of them are not. Some of them got there by abusing 1 strat or by doing well in placement matches. They have very shallow understanding of the game. Main point is that it has to be more criterias than being a plat player to be able to voice your opinion in an exclusive forum. | ||
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
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PacketOverflow
United States80 Posts
I believe an earlier post said that this was brought up a while ago as a suggestion and shot down. I'm thankful that the people who run this site are such intelligent fore-thinkers. | ||
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
Thats what I do, I know no shit about strategy in SC2, and Im aware of that, so how could I possibly comment/complain about something i dont know? | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On May 22 2010 00:22 PacketOverflow wrote: Completely unnecessary idea. It even reeks a little of the smash bros "backroom" forum or whatever it's called. The more democratic approach used on this site is a large boon to the userbase whom feels equally as important (as a recognized forum user entity) as any pro. Distinctions between users are made on the human level based on accomplishments and intellect and thus pros do not need to be arbitrarily raised up on a pedestal by the system. In short, we do not need to add needless bureaucracy and forced elitism simply to solve a problem that could be fixed with increased moderator activity. I believe an earlier post said that this was brought up a while ago as a suggestion and shot down. I'm thankful that the people who run this site are such intelligent fore-thinkers. The problem is there's more idiot newb posts that are "theorizing" something as opposed to the good players actually trying different strategies out. For every 5 or so "what's better to do? 9 Overlord or 11 Overlord?" threads there's maybe one quality discussion thread usually created by the same 4-5 people. I don't want to hear about why mid-gold or silver players think the roach is imbalanced and discuss it for god knows how long. Democracy fails when the majority consists of the bad players lol. Also Beyonder, there's no way to make a forum appear invisible unless you have rights to view it? Such as the mafia forum? It would be like a VIP SC2 Discussion and strategy forum, just combine the two. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
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BlasiuS
United States2405 Posts
On May 22 2010 00:28 fabiano wrote: Rather than creating a subforum, low skilled players should have a common sense and not complain (make a new thread) about something we (low skilled guys) dont know... like OMGZ ROFL VOID RAY OP LOLOL NERF Thats what I do, I know no shit about strategy in SC2, and Im aware of that, so how could I possibly comment/complain about something i dont know? too many bad players are in platinum and think being in platinum entitles them to educate everyone about their opinions -_- | ||
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Asta
Germany3491 Posts
In the SC2 forum there are sooooo many people, it's kind of ruined. On May 21 2010 19:49 Beyonder wrote: I'm partly in favor of this. On liquidpoker this works well. However I do feel that too many different subforums is a bad thing... At first sight I don't like the idea of too many subforums either. But I guess the thing that I'd worry about is that there isn't enough activity in one of the subforums. Right now, there is so much activity in the SC2 forums that it feels like a waste of time to just post there. Every random topic gets like 5 pages of replies within an hour. I read TL a lot, but still I stumble over a lot of interesting topics in which I don't want to post anymore because it got derailed already with everybody and their mother writing walls of text full of silver league I'm-new-to-rts opinions. There is absolutely no useful discussion at all in the SC2 forums right now. If Blizzard really listens to TL in general, which isn't better than listening to the Bnet forums right now, it would explain why they patch the game with the consistency of a headless chicken. Maybe the admins should compare user numbers for the BW forums during all of TL's existence and compare them to the SC2 forum activity right now. Then you can decide whether there is room for more subforums. And it would probably be a better idea to create a forum with a generally much higher standard of posting, instead of focusing on certain player skills. That's how TL used to work years ago. The good old "even though you put a lot of effort into your post, your opinion is bullshit and you are banned" reasoning. Nice quote I found on that topic: On November 05 2004 04:37 Legionnaire wrote: and dont give us that wgtour newbie crap here. For halpmeh.com you needed to get the password sent by email individually. That's how small the community was back then. I was looking for the pw when I found that quote.  Think it was some ghost or firebat sentence. | ||
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Gryffes
United Kingdom763 Posts
BG in particular split it's discussions up into standard/advanced and had a requirement that you needed x amount of posts to be able to use it and threads had to be for a specific issue with supporting evidence. ( something like 200 posts to make a thread in advanced, 100 to reply - with a harsh banstick ). While the OP's suggestion is a bit "what's your rating?" an advanced forum if well moderated and thought out is a nice thing to have. | ||
Chill
Calgary25998 Posts
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