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Wings
Profile Joined January 2010
United States999 Posts
May 22 2010 07:11 GMT
#1721
On May 22 2010 16:09 rexyrex wrote:
when will protoss get a buff for once?

If you start out on a mountaintop, there's nowhere else to go but down
The probability of Kim Carrier getting all those predictions wrong is similar to the probability Flash loses a TvT. Kim Carrier MUST BE a genius. His only big mistake... STORK.
NicolBolas
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1388 Posts
May 22 2010 07:24 GMT
#1722
On May 22 2010 12:31 Koltz wrote:
Perhaps the lag is caused by the switch to UDP from TCP? Which is counter-intuitive since UDP is supposed to be faster (albeit less reliable).


It's not counter-intuitive. They've been running their TCP-based networking code for years, and over that time they have worked out the bugs in their TCP networking layer. Replacing TCP with UDP basically means that a hefty portion of their low-level networking code has to be rewritten.

This new code simply hasn't be exercised and debugged yet.

Granted, the real problem is that some idiot networking programmer over at Blizzard made the decision to use TCP in the first place. This is brain-dead simple stuff that I would expect any networking programmer who could get hired at a game developer to know, and this guy blew it. It's an RTS game FFS; you're passing controller data which might get up to 20 bytes per frame. You can send 30 frames worth of data across and still not blow the packet size. Ensuring the data gets there (which is what TCP is for) isn't your problem; you can resend it with the next frames' of data. Latency is your enemy.

Because of this nonsensical screwup, in the middle of Beta, mere months from release, when this stuff should be settled and Blizzard shouldn't be rewriting major low-level systems, Blizzard has to swap networking protocols in order to get better latency. It's the right thing to do, but only because the wrong thing was done a long time ago.

I hope that Blizzard fired that networking guy, though. The one who analyzed the networking structure of an RTS game and felt that TCP was the best way to go. It's like looking at going to the moon and thinking, "If I could just build a really big gun, with a lot of gunpowder, I'd make it!"
So you know, cats are interesting. They are kind of like girls. If they come up and talk to you, it's great. But if you try to talk to them, it doesn't always go so well. - Shigeru Miyamoto
osten
Profile Joined March 2008
Sweden316 Posts
May 22 2010 07:46 GMT
#1723
Now when zerg gets to tier 3 they have two counters to tanks to choose from. Too bad the siege on zerg's front door starts much much earlier when the "counter" is to have a gazillion units to throw into terran's furnace. Do you think maybe they should have fiddled more with roaches again, or are they suddenly fine after all these changes?
CagedMind
Profile Joined February 2010
United States506 Posts
May 22 2010 07:47 GMT
#1724
I just got something that said playtime added when I logged in. It's scary to think about what that could suggest.
your micro has been depleted
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
May 22 2010 07:48 GMT
#1725
On May 22 2010 12:57 Bosu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 12:50 Jsingles wrote:
Well, they did it. They ruined protoss. This patch sucks.

Went 4-0 my first placement matches all vs toss.
lost my last one to terran, and then 3 matches lost after that all to the same shit.

exactly what i predicted would happen this patch.

unstoppable marine pushes vs toss.

seriously blizzard what the fuck? WHY did you buff the upgrades on marines and marauders?
I was plat league before this patch, and now i am being beaten into oblivion by these terran marine ball timing attacks that protoss can do nothing to stop. It put me in plat on 4-1 (fuck that) and I will probably stay there because I play protoss... and it takes nothing to beat me but picking terran and making about 20 marines, getting both upgrades super fast, and just pushing in and winning.



Oh so after losing 1 game you are certain the game is imbalanced. Please.

Read the post, it's 4 not 1
Trok67
Profile Joined May 2010
France384 Posts
May 22 2010 07:48 GMT
#1726
Ultralisk isnt a counter to tanks, it's even more useless than before. If you go to tier3 it's 5490 more efficient to do broodlords whatever the situation is
Highways
Profile Joined July 2005
Australia6105 Posts
May 22 2010 07:51 GMT
#1727
"There was a problem downloading this content please try again later."

I cant play anything on Battle.Net. Any ideas why my download keep failing? No problems until patch 13.
#1 Terran hater
IndecisivePenguin
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States771 Posts
May 22 2010 07:54 GMT
#1728
On May 22 2010 16:51 Highways wrote:
"There was a problem downloading this content please try again later."

I cant play anything on Battle.Net. Any ideas why my download keep failing? No problems until patch 13.


Are you having a universal Battle.Net issue too? I can't even get on BW.
Kira.Yami
Profile Joined April 2010
158 Posts
May 22 2010 07:59 GMT
#1729
I can't login, is this a common problem? I saw the accept/decline agreement and then it just stops there, and i alt + F4 closed it, and now when i reopen i login the screen just stops at that.
Push
Cham
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
797 Posts
May 22 2010 08:02 GMT
#1730
With these patch notes and being a toss player, I am kind of happy my game crashes at every start up.
Zerksys
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States569 Posts
May 22 2010 08:38 GMT
#1731
Is anyone having trouble with the replay function? When I go into a replay the minimap doesn't show up (it's just a black square) maybe I changed some settings... or are other people having this problem. Some help would be much appreciated
What's that probe doing there? It's a scout. You mean one of those flying planes? No....
Decko
Profile Joined May 2010
United States150 Posts
May 22 2010 09:07 GMT
#1732
On May 22 2010 09:58 KiWiKaKi wrote:
your 2 cents is not even worth a penny


Actually, it almost costs two cents to make a penny. MIND BLOWER! :D
Superman does good, you're doing well.
AdunToridas
Profile Joined December 2008
Germany380 Posts
May 22 2010 10:01 GMT
#1733
[image loading]

I'm really quite shocked of the new patch.
What does that red line under my account name mean? Is this for real?!
« People say I'm strange, does it make me a stranger that my best friend was born in a manger? »
Ksyper
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Bulgaria665 Posts
May 22 2010 10:03 GMT
#1734
I got placed in diamond league, and just as I was about to win my first game, I got dropped
And now I can't connect.
iNty.sCream
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany195 Posts
May 22 2010 10:04 GMT
#1735
the "playtime expires" line really scares me, have to pay for sc ? lol
Bisu best hairspray = win
Klockan3
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Sweden2866 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-22 10:11:52
May 22 2010 10:06 GMT
#1736
On May 22 2010 19:01 AdunToridas wrote:
[image loading]

I'm really quite shocked of the new patch.
What does that red line under my account name mean? Is this for real?!

You thought that the beta would go on forever?

Edit: Also there has already been confirmed that in for example Russia you will have the option to buy a dirt cheap version of the game with a small monthly fee instead of buying a permanent copy like you do in the US or in Europe. It is even upgradeable to a permanent non monthly fee account if you pay for the difference in purchase price.
On May 22 2010 16:09 rexyrex wrote:
when will protoss get a buff for once?

Phoenixes being able to shoot while moving was a buff and voidray change was a buff, also the defense buff with cannons getting +50 health was also mostly a protoss buff since protos builds the most towers.
Seam
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1093 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-22 10:11:40
May 22 2010 10:11 GMT
#1737
The 'playtime expires' is due to some places are going to use a pay to play. I think it was Russia, and somewhere else, but I could be wrong.

Edit: Beat to it =(
I only needed one probe to take down idra. I had to upgrade to a zealot for strelok. - Liquid`Tyler
AdunToridas
Profile Joined December 2008
Germany380 Posts
May 22 2010 10:46 GMT
#1738
On May 22 2010 19:06 Klockan3 wrote:
You thought that the beta would go on forever?

No but June 21 is a bit early for the July 27 release date...
« People say I'm strange, does it make me a stranger that my best friend was born in a manger? »
Inhumoff
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway28 Posts
May 22 2010 10:50 GMT
#1739
tried playing .... got to make a few scv's a barracks and a marine

You were Dropped

do i dare play more LOL
unreal
shannn
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands2891 Posts
May 22 2010 10:55 GMT
#1740
hmm I should have read more on TL threads about the play a game and get dropped ><
3 times in a row have I been getting dropped and I really thought it was my internet messing with me LOL.

Does it make sense to continue playing now ? im now 1-3 due to 3 drops (was promoted to gold pre-patch 13) so I guess I'll have to start from bronze or something ><
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6321864 Epic post.
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