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Jsingles
Profile Joined April 2010
United States66 Posts
May 21 2010 20:33 GMT
#1301
I love how no attention is paid to protoss issues, such as the incredibly useless mothership, and how shitty templar tech is... Blizzard has been bashing protoss relentlessly with these nerfs, and buffing terran more, when they DO NOT need more buffs. I agree zerg has needed some changes, though I am not sure how effectively this patch will improve zerg...

Protoss is going to have a REALLY rough time with this patch... that is my prediction anyway.

and no, my downloader doesnt work either...
Mid Diamond
IndecisivePenguin
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States771 Posts
May 21 2010 20:34 GMT
#1302
On May 22 2010 05:32 Bowzer wrote:
Apparently people on the EU servers are downloading the patch right now.


Some are, some are still logged into Bnet and haven't dl'd yet, some can't even get into Bnet.
Rinrun
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada3509 Posts
May 21 2010 20:34 GMT
#1303
I can't say anything bad about the Toss field and the Stim/Shield upgrade decreases.
Good stuff.
Can't wait for the havoc in 3v3 and 4v4.
MBC/Liquid/TSM always.
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-21 20:36:21
May 21 2010 20:35 GMT
#1304
Jsingles- its true that Protoss is a shadow of what they were in the beginning.
I think Zealots are a bit too weak... and Protoss as a whole have been eating nerfs since day 1. I don't miss Mothership/Carrier swarms, but I do miss never seeing those units at all.
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
May 21 2010 20:36 GMT
#1305
Haha, I just have to point out that the facebook update is pretty hilarious.
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-21 20:47:57
May 21 2010 20:36 GMT
#1306
On May 22 2010 05:33 Jsingles wrote:
I love how no attention is paid to protoss issues, such as the incredibly useless mothership, and how shitty templar tech is... Blizzard has been bashing protoss relentlessly with these nerfs, and buffing terran more, when they DO NOT need more buffs. I agree zerg has needed some changes, though I am not sure how effectively this patch will improve zerg...

Protoss is going to have a REALLY rough time with this patch... that is my prediction anyway.

and no, my downloader doesnt work either...

Protoss has a rougher time every patch, i cant wait to see the next patch*
Terran : Marauder supply decreased to 1, Cost decreased to 75/0. Marauder can now attack Air.
Protoss : Colossus removed from the game, Psi storm replaced with hallucination and removed from the game
Zerg: Roaches increased to 4 supply, all other units increased 1 supply.

maybe thats a little drastic but i could see it happening with how things have been going
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Shizuru~
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Malaysia1676 Posts
May 21 2010 20:37 GMT
#1307
On May 22 2010 05:32 Bowzer wrote:
Apparently people on the EU servers are downloading the patch right now.


not for me, it just say "There's a temporary outage with Battlenet server."
Steez
Profile Joined March 2010
United States8 Posts
May 21 2010 20:39 GMT
#1308
I have EU and US and cant download patch from either.
Style with ease.
Freezard
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Sweden1032 Posts
May 21 2010 20:40 GMT
#1309
I have just downloaded patch and will try out the overseer stuff. brb
Jsingles
Profile Joined April 2010
United States66 Posts
May 21 2010 20:40 GMT
#1310
I think zealots are ok actually, especially with charge.

I am concerned about an imminent timing push of MMM/G for TvP that will be unstoppable unless protoss is forced to always use the same specific counter build against terran. This severely limits Protoss strategies and builds.

Also, contamination will be very effective against protoss tech, and using cannons to protect buildings from contamination seems viable, except blizzard nerfed the forge last patch....

It just seems like every patch is making the game more difficult for protoss.

I also predict that frenzied hydralisks will be OP against protoss, since collosi have a tough time against hydras comparatively.
Mid Diamond
IndecisivePenguin
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States771 Posts
May 21 2010 20:41 GMT
#1311
I think it would be more useful for people to post when they can dl the patch haha. Apparently a few have been able to so far, but not the great majority.
Skyze
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada2324 Posts
May 21 2010 20:43 GMT
#1312
yep thats what I am thinking right now.. Z and going for hydra/infestor play, get like 5 infestors early so you can build up mana, then once you have like 20 hydras.. frenzy them all and watch the lolz vs protoss.

Protoss is pretty much dead now. I feel bad for them =/ it wasnt bad enough only like 1 protoss was in top 20 in korea, now there will be 0.
Canada Gaming ~~ The-Feared
jonich0n
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1982 Posts
May 21 2010 20:43 GMT
#1313
The void ray nerf was definitely acceptable, but it fucking sucks how Blizzard keeps taking a shit on Protoss without trying to fix one of the major problems with the race... the fact that Robo tech is still far superior to any Templar tech in most cases.

TvZ will continue to be a bit broken as well, they really need to do more to make Zerg more interesting (and more playable in ZvT). The Infestor change was a step in the right direction but Frenzy... seems a bit boring... too WC3 :/
(>'.')>
Jsingles
Profile Joined April 2010
United States66 Posts
May 21 2010 20:46 GMT
#1314
I really get the feeling that blizzard hates protoss lol. It's a miracle that they fixed pheonix for protoss, but probably too much to hope for them fixing templar/fleet beacon tech.

and I still dont really understand where the forge nerf was coming from...
Mid Diamond
Zeke50100
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2220 Posts
May 21 2010 20:47 GMT
#1315
On May 22 2010 05:36 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 05:33 Jsingles wrote:
I love how no attention is paid to protoss issues, such as the incredibly useless mothership, and how shitty templar tech is... Blizzard has been bashing protoss relentlessly with these nerfs, and buffing terran more, when they DO NOT need more buffs. I agree zerg has needed some changes, though I am not sure how effectively this patch will improve zerg...

Protoss is going to have a REALLY rough time with this patch... that is my prediction anyway.

and no, my downloader doesnt work either...

Protoss has a rougher time every patch, i cant wait to see the next patch*
Terran : Marauder supply decreased to 1, Cost decreased to 75/0
Protoss : Colossus removed from the game, Psi storm replaced with hallucination and removed from the game
Zerg: Roaches increased to 4 supply, all other units increased 1 supply.

maybe thats a little drastic but i could see it happening with how things have been going


Stop overreacting. Those changes would NEVER happen. Blizzard may make changes that are questionable, but they don't make blatantly stupid patches - every change they have made is justifiable one way or another (or is at least explainable)
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
May 21 2010 20:49 GMT
#1316
Am I the only one that feels like the ultra was NERFED?
Shiladie
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1631 Posts
May 21 2010 20:49 GMT
#1317
On May 22 2010 05:49 FabledIntegral wrote:
Am I the only one that feels like the ultra was NERFED?


no, we're all kinda feeling that way...
jamesr12
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1549 Posts
May 21 2010 20:50 GMT
#1318
On May 22 2010 05:49 FabledIntegral wrote:
Am I the only one that feels like the ultra was NERFED?


if frenzy wasnt added it be a nerf but the spell was clearly intendend for ultra use overall i say slight buff but not huge
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306479
Jsingles
Profile Joined April 2010
United States66 Posts
May 21 2010 20:50 GMT
#1319
To me its less about the things they are doing, and more about the things they are not doing...

why not just make ultras faster and smaller?
why not make the mothership either useful or scrap it?

I do have one hope left though... One issue with 1v1 games in this beta is that the majority of the maps are either awful and/or very small...
Once we start seeing better maps, the matchups will change, and we might start actually seeing carriers and battle cruisers
Mid Diamond
SonKiE
Profile Joined March 2010
United States167 Posts
May 21 2010 20:50 GMT
#1320
ultras seem like in theory they would be like steam tanks from wc3
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