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Patch 13 Discussion - Page 63
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qazqwezxc
Canada91 Posts
(sorry but I personally hate WOW and this is just my opinion, so don't hate on me) | ||
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Jacobs Ladder
United States1705 Posts
On May 22 2010 05:00 Skyze wrote:I always felt Protoss was much weaker in the macro game, but now with FF [...] nerfs, it looks like their units cant compete either. The FF nerf is very minor. Early game sentrys will play exactly the same, and I'll happily drop FFs to force a Terrain's thors to stop attacking and walk around in circles. | ||
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Aphelion
United States2720 Posts
On May 22 2010 04:53 jamesr12 wrote: anyone elses patch not dling? Me. Help! | ||
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
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baconbits
United States419 Posts
On May 22 2010 04:56 LooseMoose wrote: There's no way in the current ZvZ that you're going to be able to rush overseer without losing all of your drones to speedling/bling. doubt that it should be more than easy enough. Double gas instead of 1 gas early, speed upgrade first 100, plop down roach den or baneling with next 50 (roach den faster, but more defensive), lair upgrade next 100 and then overseer with following 100. Just more reason to double gas early. | ||
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jamesr12
United States1549 Posts
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Genocidal
United States17 Posts
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SpicyCrab
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Players say "OH MY GOD BLIZZARD IS SO STUPID HOW COULD THEY THINK THIS IS AN ACCEPTABLE FINAL CHANGE PATCH!? THERE'S NO WAY THIS WILL WORK OUT PERFECTLY BROWDER IS AN A HOLE OMGMGMGMGMG" Players say "Blizzard beta is the time to try out lots of crazy new things, you won't have that luxury after release" Blizzard says "okay" Players say "OH MY GOD BLIZZARD HOW COULD YOU MAKE CRAZY NEW CHANGES TO MY GAME I HAVE BEEN PLAYING FOR ALMOST A MONTH NOW I AM SOOO GOOD AND NOW I AM NOT WHY DID YOU DO THIS TO ME I THOUGHT WE WERE FRIENDS!!" This is the thirteenth patch, there will be more. Calm down every one and stop whining. | ||
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red_b
United States1267 Posts
On May 22 2010 05:00 Skyze wrote: I always felt Protoss was much weaker in the macro game, but now with FF and void ray nerfs, it looks like their units cant compete either. How do you figure? Maybe if your only strat is to one-base or something. But I dont see why you would suggest they cant make stuff at the same rate as T. Just make more of whatever you need, be it warpgates, stargates or robotics facilities. | ||
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Chriamon
United States886 Posts
On May 22 2010 05:05 baconbits wrote: doubt that it should be more than easy enough. Double gas instead of 1 gas early, speed upgrade first 100, plop down roach den or baneling with next 50 (roach den faster, but more defensive), lair upgrade next 100 and then overseer with following 100. Just more reason to double gas early. Yea there are already speedling + fast lair builds. In fact a lot of them skip roach + baneling. If you gas + pool on 14 (same time) and then throw down 2nd gas once you have 50 gas, research speed at 100 gas, you'll hit 100 gas again right as your queen comes out, and before an opponent would have baneling tech. | ||
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baconbits
United States419 Posts
On May 22 2010 05:06 Genocidal wrote: Since overseers dont cost food if i remember correctly, couldnt you just build a insane amount of them if you ever max out and then do infested terran drops, i mean I doubt games are gonna get to that point that often, but still. yeah but 125 energy for a 15 second unit... thats more than 3 minutes of energy for... 15 seconds of a single unit per overseer. Not too efficient. Maybe if you have 4-5 overseers drop one all at once, but then 4-5 mutas would still be better for damage harassment | ||
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Freezard
Sweden1012 Posts
On May 22 2010 05:06 Genocidal wrote: Since overseers dont cost food if i remember correctly, couldnt you just build a insane amount of them if you ever max out and then do infested terran drops, i mean I doubt games are gonna get to that point that often, but still. Correct. But that would be a waste of resources since infested terran sucks ass and you're bound to lose overseers. | ||
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Kruxt
United States113 Posts
On May 22 2010 05:02 SonKiE wrote: my patch is not downloading! war3 represent? ^^ | ||
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Tsagacity
United States2124 Posts
On May 22 2010 05:07 SpicyCrab wrote: I'm not concerned about specific balance changes, I'm concerned about the motivation behind them. Blizzard says "We know these are sweeping changes and we are not exactly sure how they will pan out, we expect to make modifications to many of these changes in the near future." Players say "OH MY GOD BLIZZARD IS SO STUPID HOW COULD THEY THINK THIS IS AN ACCEPTABLE FINAL CHANGE PATCH!? THERE'S NO WAY THIS WILL WORK OUT PERFECTLY BROWDER IS AN A HOLE OMGMGMGMGMG" This is the thirteenth patch, there will be more. Calm down every one and stop whining. There has to be something very wrong, or something very secretly brilliant about the balance team mentioning ZvZ as a basis for ultralisk changes. Just like I hated the forge change. I didn't care how it affected balance, but I did care that they made the balance change because low-level players couldn't stop a cannon rush. | ||
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GoShox
United States1842 Posts
On May 22 2010 05:04 Senx wrote: Well, facebook integration better be optional or hell will be unleashed upon whoever gets in my way. Hahaha I'm hoping Facebook not only posts something after every game you play (whether you win or lose) but also updates everyone on your friends list about the game you're currently in via status updates. For example "GoShox just built a Pylon at 9 supply. GoShox just chrono boosted his Nexus!" | ||
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Shiladie
Canada1631 Posts
On May 22 2010 05:06 Genocidal wrote: Since overseers dont cost food if i remember correctly, couldnt you just build a insane amount of them if you ever max out and then do infested terran drops, i mean I doubt games are gonna get to that point that often, but still. Same can be said about spine/spore crawlers, usually once you hit max you want to make sure you can re-macro up your army as much as possible if it dies. I'm not saying it's a bad idea by any stretch, just that it isn't as crazy as one might think. In a fastest map style game where resources really arn't the limiter I think it would be absolutely hilarious to do a 300 overseer swarm over his base... | ||
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Simplification
United States33 Posts
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
On May 22 2010 05:09 baconbits wrote: yeah but 125 energy for a 15 second unit... thats more than 3 minutes of energy for... 15 seconds of a single unit per overseer. Not too efficient. Maybe if you have 4-5 overseers drop one all at once, but then 4-5 mutas would still be better for damage harassment Well do we know for a fact that the overseer only drops a *single* infested terran? For 125 energy, what if it drops like 5 of them instead? I'll admit that a single infested terran for 125 energy would be pretty useless, but the wording from blizzard is very vague thus far. | ||
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CursOr
United States6335 Posts
Why not have like 25dmg +5 armor? Instead of like TOTALLY re-working the damage. They do seem to favor making HUGE changes, rather than just doing a Straight Buff. Just give the fucker more damage vs Armored... so much easier to determine how it effects the game. If you change 3 aspects of the Ultra- its going to be hard to distinguish what actually was effected- especially if the unit continues to be used so infrequently. I just get the impression Blizzard doesn't know what they are doing as much as most would assume. Seems like over reactions. | ||
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Genocidal
United States17 Posts
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