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palefountains
Profile Joined March 2010
China24 Posts
May 21 2010 19:32 GMT
#1181
On May 22 2010 04:26 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 04:23 DooMDash wrote:
On May 22 2010 04:21 travis wrote:
On May 22 2010 04:18 DooMDash wrote:
Good luck Protoss players? It was Terran having the problems.


yeah, at the levels where people suck

but any player who is interested in making the game good for competition should be most worried about how balanced it is at the highest levels



Blizzard was looking at high level play. They looked at Gold and Platinum specifically. Look at "the state of the game 5". Cluck talks about how its a pretty close match up but void rays make it a little easier for Toss. The 1 void ray range nerf, and what, 20 seconds of more marine shield and stim can easily balance that.


all gold and most platinum players aren't even near the highest levels. there is a large gap between the players u see at the top of tournaments and even most high rated platinum players.

look at results from tournaments with top players, and listen to what top players have to say about the balance.


The balance shouldn't follow top progamers. You cannot predict what kind of strategies they will invent and adapt. Sometimes T dominates, P dominates later, then Z. It's all natural.
good
Darkn3ss
Profile Joined November 2009
United States717 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-21 19:34:14
May 21 2010 19:32 GMT
#1182
On May 22 2010 04:26 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 04:23 DooMDash wrote:
On May 22 2010 04:21 travis wrote:
On May 22 2010 04:18 DooMDash wrote:
Good luck Protoss players? It was Terran having the problems.


yeah, at the levels where people suck

but any player who is interested in making the game good for competition should be most worried about how balanced it is at the highest levels



Blizzard was looking at high level play. They looked at Gold and Platinum specifically. Look at "the state of the game 5". Cluck talks about how its a pretty close match up but void rays make it a little easier for Toss. The 1 void ray range nerf, and what, 20 seconds of more marine shield and stim can easily balance that.


all gold and most platinum players aren't even near the highest levels. there is a large gap between the players u see at the top of tournaments and even most high rated platinum players.

look at results from tournaments with top players, and listen to what top players have to say about the balance.


And that's the truth!
It is still beta tho... so once the game is released, I expect more of the "better BW players" to get into SC2...

As of right now tho blizz should just pay attention to strictly "pros" and then try to work it out... there are so many "noobs" crying about such absurd things that everyone LOL's at it.... but then we actually see it changed in the next patch and all of the "above average" players are like WTF?!?! -.-

Anyway I'm about to play MW2. Someone let me know when the patch is actually released so I can see what this is all about...

*sighs I wish you could also vote down MU's where you vote down maps... lol
[ ] Zerg
[ ] Protoss
[x] Terran

^^

On May 22 2010 04:32 palefountains wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 04:26 travis wrote:
On May 22 2010 04:23 DooMDash wrote:
On May 22 2010 04:21 travis wrote:
On May 22 2010 04:18 DooMDash wrote:
Good luck Protoss players? It was Terran having the problems.


yeah, at the levels where people suck

but any player who is interested in making the game good for competition should be most worried about how balanced it is at the highest levels



Blizzard was looking at high level play. They looked at Gold and Platinum specifically. Look at "the state of the game 5". Cluck talks about how its a pretty close match up but void rays make it a little easier for Toss. The 1 void ray range nerf, and what, 20 seconds of more marine shield and stim can easily balance that.


all gold and most platinum players aren't even near the highest levels. there is a large gap between the players u see at the top of tournaments and even most high rated platinum players.

look at results from tournaments with top players, and listen to what top players have to say about the balance.


The balance shouldn't follow top progamers. You cannot predict what kind of strategies they will invent and adapt. Sometimes T dominates, P dominates later, then Z. It's all natural.


You can't really go based on what mid-level plats/golds say either! xD

(Gold being D- (loooow D with below 50% win rate protoss) in BW imo)
Dont quote me boy, cuz I aint saying shhh...
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
May 21 2010 19:33 GMT
#1183
hmm patch isn't working for me. Hows it going for ya'll
oodug
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9 Posts
May 21 2010 19:33 GMT
#1184
Looks interesting. Definitely scratching my head about some of the changes but I'm excited to see how they play out. Hopefully the Ultra changes will help out with some of this brutal Marauder/Mech play in ZvT.

Only time will tell. Can't wait to see how the pros adjust to these changes. Time to get creative with Overseers.
I like to play.
Thegilaboy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2018 Posts
May 21 2010 19:34 GMT
#1185
On May 22 2010 04:33 Pandain wrote:
hmm patch isn't working for me. Hows it going for ya'll


Same issue, looks like we'll just need to wait a bit longer
BeyondReal
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada12 Posts
May 21 2010 19:35 GMT
#1186
Damn, I was hoping for some sort of nerfing on teh EMP. I guess protoss gets nerfed again.
Hates the EMP's -Diamond
DooMDash
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1015 Posts
May 21 2010 19:35 GMT
#1187
On May 22 2010 04:32 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 04:28 DooMDash wrote:
On May 22 2010 04:25 Dionyseus wrote:
On May 22 2010 04:22 DooMDash wrote:
On May 22 2010 04:19 Sinensis wrote:
My problem with the ultralisk before this patch was that they served absolutely no role in combat at any stage of the game. I don't see how that has changed. They're still massive and inhibit good surrounds, they're still extremely expensive, they still die almost immediately to most of the commonly produced mid tier units (immortals, marauders, tanks, etc), they're still slow as hell, and now they're even easier to kill.

I don't feel like I need to say anything about terran getting buffed again.


They are still good at getting to that line of Siege tanks. It takes 8 siege shots for 1 ultra to go down. Makes a pretty big deal. Hellions won't do any damage to them period, marines won't do any damage to them period... and if they have mass Marauders you wouldn't want to go Ultras anyway.

Now they do serve a purpose. They can get to tank lines pretty easy, and they are great at taking out buildings.


When does a terran ever not mass marauders?

I don't and I'm 1800 Platinum. I did when I started but after losing and realizing how much better options they have I phased them out almost entirely. Again, listen to "The state of the game part 5" here on the forums. Listen to the top players talk and they agree with my thinking. Marines are the real juice, and metal is the real juice vs zerg.

On May 22 2010 04:26 travis wrote:
On May 22 2010 04:23 DooMDash wrote:
On May 22 2010 04:21 travis wrote:
On May 22 2010 04:18 DooMDash wrote:
Good luck Protoss players? It was Terran having the problems.


yeah, at the levels where people suck

but any player who is interested in making the game good for competition should be most worried about how balanced it is at the highest levels



Blizzard was looking at high level play. They looked at Gold and Platinum specifically. Look at "the state of the game 5". Cluck talks about how its a pretty close match up but void rays make it a little easier for Toss. The 1 void ray range nerf, and what, 20 seconds of more marine shield and stim can easily balance that.


all gold and most platinum players aren't even near the highest levels. there is a large gap between the players u see at the top of tournaments and even most high rated platinum players.

look at results from tournaments with top players, and listen to what top players have to say about the balance.


Listen to the last pod cast I refereed to plz. Don't take my word for it.


well you're 18 platinum so you clearly aren't bad. what's your opinion, personally, of the ultra buff

I think that Blizz went overboard with it. I think 500 maybe 550 would be a good number. I could still see them having some uses, certainly no more or less then last patch. I like the damage + armor thing.. with frenzy thats pretty damn effective. Again, I haven't even played it yet.. its something that I think needs TESTING.
S1 3500+ Master T. S2 1600+ Master T.
Bull-Demon
Profile Joined January 2003
United States582 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-21 19:38:04
May 21 2010 19:35 GMT
#1188
Just started downloading the patch. Looks like it could be going live soon.

EDIT: Okay says its preparing to download but the play button takes you into the game instantly but the servers are still down. Hope I didn't get anyone too excited.
~_~
StayFrosty
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada743 Posts
May 21 2010 19:36 GMT
#1189
Hmm.... some people say they are actually downloading it... I seem to be stuck at "preparing to download new patch..."
Darkn3ss
Profile Joined November 2009
United States717 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-21 19:37:46
May 21 2010 19:36 GMT
#1190
On May 22 2010 04:35 Bull-Demon wrote:
Just started downloading the patch. Looks like it could be going live soon.


Me too... finally! xP

On May 22 2010 04:36 StayFrosty wrote:
Hmm.... some people say they are actually downloading it... I seem to be stuck at "preparing to download new patch..."


Well... same here atm...

...but it's better than the game starting and not being able to log in xP

They obviously wiped the stats since I can't post on battle.net forums...
Dont quote me boy, cuz I aint saying shhh...
Ai52487963
Profile Joined March 2010
United Kingdom136 Posts
May 21 2010 19:36 GMT
#1191
On May 22 2010 04:35 Bull-Demon wrote:
Just started downloading the patch. Looks like it could be going live soon.


Mine doesn't download. It shows the patch notes screen, but immediately the play button lights up and doesn't download anything.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
May 21 2010 19:36 GMT
#1192
On May 22 2010 04:32 palefountains wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 04:26 travis wrote:
On May 22 2010 04:23 DooMDash wrote:
On May 22 2010 04:21 travis wrote:
On May 22 2010 04:18 DooMDash wrote:
Good luck Protoss players? It was Terran having the problems.


yeah, at the levels where people suck

but any player who is interested in making the game good for competition should be most worried about how balanced it is at the highest levels



Blizzard was looking at high level play. They looked at Gold and Platinum specifically. Look at "the state of the game 5". Cluck talks about how its a pretty close match up but void rays make it a little easier for Toss. The 1 void ray range nerf, and what, 20 seconds of more marine shield and stim can easily balance that.


all gold and most platinum players aren't even near the highest levels. there is a large gap between the players u see at the top of tournaments and even most high rated platinum players.

look at results from tournaments with top players, and listen to what top players have to say about the balance.


The balance shouldn't follow top progamers. You cannot predict what kind of strategies they will invent and adapt. Sometimes T dominates, P dominates later, then Z. It's all natural.


then who should it follow? the lower level players don't know the game as well as better players. why wouldn't it follow better players?
goswser
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3546 Posts
May 21 2010 19:37 GMT
#1193
I don't think ultras will be all that weak even with the hp nerf, I mean, unless you were maxed out before, they held up very well, and now with frenzy they can tear an army apart in seconds. The changes should make ZvP very interesting though. As a terran player, I think terran will just rape now, I went 25-11 to take me to first in a new platinum division right before that patch, and while I agree that TvP might have been imba a bit if the protoss plays perfectly against the terran build, void rays weren't really that much of an issue.
say you were born into a jungle indian tribe where food was scarce...would you run around from teepee to teepee stealing meat scraps after a day lazying around doing nothing except warming urself by a fire that you didn't even make yourself? -rekrul
CandelaSC2
Profile Joined March 2010
Uruguay18 Posts
May 21 2010 19:38 GMT
#1194
LET IT RAIN!!!!!

WHITE CHOCOLATE!!!!!

ASAP ALL SERVER GO GO GO TERRAN
uo uo uo
Spidermonkey
Profile Joined April 2010
United States251 Posts
May 21 2010 19:38 GMT
#1195
On May 22 2010 04:36 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 04:32 palefountains wrote:
On May 22 2010 04:26 travis wrote:
On May 22 2010 04:23 DooMDash wrote:
On May 22 2010 04:21 travis wrote:
On May 22 2010 04:18 DooMDash wrote:
Good luck Protoss players? It was Terran having the problems.


yeah, at the levels where people suck

but any player who is interested in making the game good for competition should be most worried about how balanced it is at the highest levels



Blizzard was looking at high level play. They looked at Gold and Platinum specifically. Look at "the state of the game 5". Cluck talks about how its a pretty close match up but void rays make it a little easier for Toss. The 1 void ray range nerf, and what, 20 seconds of more marine shield and stim can easily balance that.


all gold and most platinum players aren't even near the highest levels. there is a large gap between the players u see at the top of tournaments and even most high rated platinum players.

look at results from tournaments with top players, and listen to what top players have to say about the balance.


The balance shouldn't follow top progamers. You cannot predict what kind of strategies they will invent and adapt. Sometimes T dominates, P dominates later, then Z. It's all natural.


then who should it follow? the lower level players don't know the game as well as better players. why wouldn't it follow better players?


The Copper League of course! lol
~ Richard Trahan
Bloodash
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands1384 Posts
May 21 2010 19:39 GMT
#1196
On May 22 2010 04:30 Shiladie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 04:28 Bloodash wrote:
with the overseer becoming a very decent flying caster harrass and detection unit, still having 200 hp and being armored seems a bit strong and imo should be brought in line with ravens, who are weak as shit


Overseers are still not meant to be used with your army like ravens are, they are more of their own thing with their harass capabilities


I disagree, if you want invis detection you need them with your army anyways, and check this:

hellion: 90 hp, light
reaper, 50 hp, light
banshee 140 hp, light

DT: 40 hp, 80 shield, light

all current harrass units have risk involved to them by having low hp and being light

I don't want to be a whiny bitch, and we'll all see soon how it will work out, but thats my observation
I'll bite this hand that feeds me, and take it for my own!
lebalebaleba
Profile Joined March 2010
United States71 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-21 19:40:15
May 21 2010 19:39 GMT
#1197
[image loading]

zzz still no download
fAnTaCy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States893 Posts
May 21 2010 19:40 GMT
#1198
Patch downloading now..time to lose to terran even harder now D=
President of Doctor Helvetica Fan Club...PM to join. Members--4, Most recent: Archas
Darkn3ss
Profile Joined November 2009
United States717 Posts
May 21 2010 19:41 GMT
#1199
On May 22 2010 04:38 Spidermonkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 04:36 travis wrote:
On May 22 2010 04:32 palefountains wrote:
On May 22 2010 04:26 travis wrote:
On May 22 2010 04:23 DooMDash wrote:
On May 22 2010 04:21 travis wrote:
On May 22 2010 04:18 DooMDash wrote:
Good luck Protoss players? It was Terran having the problems.


yeah, at the levels where people suck

but any player who is interested in making the game good for competition should be most worried about how balanced it is at the highest levels



Blizzard was looking at high level play. They looked at Gold and Platinum specifically. Look at "the state of the game 5". Cluck talks about how its a pretty close match up but void rays make it a little easier for Toss. The 1 void ray range nerf, and what, 20 seconds of more marine shield and stim can easily balance that.


all gold and most platinum players aren't even near the highest levels. there is a large gap between the players u see at the top of tournaments and even most high rated platinum players.

look at results from tournaments with top players, and listen to what top players have to say about the balance.


The balance shouldn't follow top progamers. You cannot predict what kind of strategies they will invent and adapt. Sometimes T dominates, P dominates later, then Z. It's all natural.


then who should it follow? the lower level players don't know the game as well as better players. why wouldn't it follow better players?


The Copper League of course! lol


Or even Gold! D- in BW would do a great job at balancing a new RTS game.
Dont quote me boy, cuz I aint saying shhh...
kane]deth[
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada368 Posts
May 21 2010 19:42 GMT
#1200
I like how every single patch is a 'fucking horrible patch' yet the game seems to be balancing even more after every single one!
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