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Mortis
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States217 Posts
August 20 2010 16:39 GMT
#101
I just figured out what the problem was.. I was doing it on a unit testing map, and apparently the backspace button didn't work on that map. I went into a custom 1v1 against a comp and it worked. Thanks though.
dambros
Profile Joined July 2010
Brazil432 Posts
August 20 2010 17:07 GMT
#102
This sounds good, but why does all pros use that scheme where:

- All hatcheries on same hotkey
- Each queen on a different hotkey
- Select specific queen > V > click hatchery

No pain, no gain!
Azerbaijan
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States660 Posts
August 20 2010 17:19 GMT
#103
On August 21 2010 02:07 dambros wrote:
This sounds good, but why does all pros use that scheme where:

- All hatcheries on same hotkey
- Each queen on a different hotkey
- Select specific queen > V > click hatchery


Preference; do what feels best for you. I have tried that way and the right side shift way and have come to prefer the latter.
daywiss
Profile Joined March 2010
United States83 Posts
August 20 2010 18:53 GMT
#104
i remember hearing about this trick during the beta. it seemed like a really good idea, with practice you could get really fast. but the problem is if a queen dies, or u dont build one per hatchery, then you end up in a very awkward situation if u mistakenly inject on a queenless hatch. because the technique eventually becomes habitual, its easy to make this mistake. then you end up with a queen walking across the map.

ive moved more towards 1 hokey per queen, 6-0. its a bit slower but you have more control and can instantly jump to each hatchery, also there are no mistaken injections which is the biggest advantage. once u get to 4+ queens though it gets tough to manage, this is where the backspace technique could be much better.
Ryzu
Profile Joined September 2010
United States369 Posts
September 09 2010 00:35 GMT
#105
On August 21 2010 03:53 daywiss wrote:
i remember hearing about this trick during the beta. it seemed like a really good idea, with practice you could get really fast. but the problem is if a queen dies, or u dont build one per hatchery, then you end up in a very awkward situation if u mistakenly inject on a queenless hatch. because the technique eventually becomes habitual, its easy to make this mistake. then you end up with a queen walking across the map.

ive moved more towards 1 hokey per queen, 6-0. its a bit slower but you have more control and can instantly jump to each hatchery, also there are no mistaken injections which is the biggest advantage. once u get to 4+ queens though it gets tough to manage, this is where the backspace technique could be much better.



Since you're using backspace to center over a new hatch, all you really need to do to make sure a queen doesn't get moved out of position is to simply look at the new hatch > queen present = click, queen not present = backspace to next hatch. This only adds a second or two to the process, and keeps your queens happily at their own hatcheries.
ChickenLips
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2912 Posts
September 09 2010 00:49 GMT
#106
What?

Seriously? This is a new discovery?

I've played Zerg maybe twice in about 1000 games of SC2 and this select all queens and V-shift click the hatcheries was one of the first things I thought about and how it would make spawning larva very easy. How all the pros contine to put single queens or even single hatches on different hotkeys blows my mind.
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GaussWaffle
Profile Joined May 2010
United States211 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-09 01:14:08
September 09 2010 01:13 GMT
#107
edit: gj sir
Zokkar
Profile Joined December 2010
Israel128 Posts
December 26 2010 22:39 GMT
#108
The only downside to this method is that if you lose a queen then the next time you inject you will have another queen move all the way across the map to that specific hatchery that lost the queen to inject, most likely dying too.

I think this way is much faster than 55v66v77v but with "55v66v77v" you can micro queens a bit better and you don't get queens walking all the way across the map to inject.
Flaunt
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
New Zealand784 Posts
December 26 2010 22:41 GMT
#109
all these methods will be gone once the custom hotkeys come next patch so don't worry about it
What? You seek something? You wish to multiply yourself tenfold, a hundredfold? You seek followers? Seek zeros!
nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
December 26 2010 22:50 GMT
#110
On December 27 2010 07:39 Zokkar wrote:
The only downside to this method is that if you lose a queen then the next time you inject you will have another queen move all the way across the map to that specific hatchery that lost the queen to inject, most likely dying too.

I think this way is much faster than 55v66v77v but with "55v66v77v" you can micro queens a bit better and you don't get queens walking all the way across the map to inject.

Begone! necromancer
majestouch
Profile Joined December 2010
United States395 Posts
December 26 2010 22:51 GMT
#111
On December 27 2010 07:41 Flaunt wrote:
all these methods will be gone once the custom hotkeys come next patch so don't worry about it

please explain.
Djeez
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
543 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-26 22:58:11
December 26 2010 22:57 GMT
#112
On December 27 2010 07:41 Flaunt wrote:
all these methods will be gone once the custom hotkeys come next patch so don't worry about it


Hardly. If anything, it will make this backspace technique the best one. I've already been practicing it a lot on the PTR, with Backspace bound to the X key. That way you don't need to move your hand to the middle of the keyboard to do it, and you can use the left shift button instead.

Also tried by bounding the Backspace button to middle mouse button, but I found it sloppy.

5
hold left shift
x click
x click
x click

Insanely fast, and just like doing a trill on a guitar :D
''Watching steppes of war in the gsl would be like watching the dreamhack 1.6 finals start out on fy_iceworld. '' -red_b
Zergtastic
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Australia81 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-27 01:36:47
December 27 2010 01:30 GMT
#113
I dont know if anyone else has posted this, but I just found a faster variation of this, while practicing.

If you hold down shift and backspace, it scrolls through the hatcheries SUPER quickly. So just hold those two buttons down and spam mouse button. Its not only more fool-proof but its a slight bit faster. It might give you an extra half a second off, of time to do other stuff. Of course, there is a greater chance of missing hatcheries doing it this way so spam mouse REALLY fast to ensure you hit every one.

I feel like I've discovered another zerg macro miracle. :D

Edit: I've been doing it on a 9 hatchery map, and I usually miss only one hatchery. If you have maybe 3 hatcheries, you'd have a smaller chance to miss one and even if you do, it would be fixed faster than with 9 hatches. Yet again, I gotta say, you have to be a very fast clicker for it to work this way. Maybe something for the 300+ APM people lol
Forever wearing a leather gracket
Oleksandr
Profile Joined July 2010
United States227 Posts
December 28 2010 03:09 GMT
#114
Wow, now I know what to do in ZvP. <3 EG Machine's lectures.
Idra: good sir, you appear to be somewhat lacking in intelligence. please refrain from posting until this is remedied, since it renders your opinions slightly less than correct and has a tendency to irritate more informed forum-goers.
Lysergic
Profile Joined December 2010
United States355 Posts
December 28 2010 04:03 GMT
#115
I don't recommend holding backspace down, it's nice to see each queen start the injection, so you know you didn't miss any, or know a queen won't be running across the map if there isn't a queen by a hatchery. Also, I don't recommend using the Backspace key at all.

HERE'S A VERY USEFUL TIP THAT IMPROVES THIS METHOD:

Assign the side button(s) on your mouse to Backspace.
If you have side buttons on your mouse, you should assign one of them to the backspace key. That way you don't have to position your hand to the right side of keyboard. It's also useful for more than just injecting, being able to switch from base to base using the side button with your mouse hand is helpful for all races.

This will be easy to do when patch 1.2 is released. Currently, you'll have to do it using your mouse software. I know it can easily be done using Razer or Logitech (SetPoint).
MrBitter
Profile Joined January 2008
United States2940 Posts
December 28 2010 04:06 GMT
#116
On December 27 2010 07:57 Djeez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2010 07:41 Flaunt wrote:
all these methods will be gone once the custom hotkeys come next patch so don't worry about it


Hardly. If anything, it will make this backspace technique the best one. I've already been practicing it a lot on the PTR, with Backspace bound to the X key. That way you don't need to move your hand to the middle of the keyboard to do it, and you can use the left shift button instead.

Also tried by bounding the Backspace button to middle mouse button, but I found it sloppy.

5
hold left shift
x click
x click
x click

Insanely fast, and just like doing a trill on a guitar :D


o.O

but how do you detonate your banelings?

"W" much better, imho.
ejac
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1195 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-28 04:33:01
December 28 2010 04:26 GMT
#117
Here are my 2cents to about this method to anyone interested. This is a bad way to do your larva injection. When I heard about this method back when this thread was put out, I used it until 2 months ago, when I started to go back to just doing my queens singly 6-0 and at least in my opinion, it was like night and day. This method does work well, if the game plays out perfectly and you have a queen at every hatchery etc. The problem is, you can't count on the game to work out perfectly. You are going to lose queens or you may on (rare) occasion simply forget to build one and then this system simply doesn't work. With the backspace method, I can do all my larva injects in 1 second. Doing 66e77e88e99e00e (I changed the hotkey, although I'm considering changing it to T), takes less than 2 seconds and at least in my opinion, the extra secondish it takes to do it is worth having a system you can always rely on to function correctly.

There are some other benefits of having your queens hotkeyed separately as well I've found.
esq>n
Phanekim
Profile Joined April 2003
United States777 Posts
December 28 2010 06:34 GMT
#118
On December 28 2010 13:03 lysergic wrote:
I don't recommend holding backspace down, it's nice to see each queen start the injection, so you know you didn't miss any, or know a queen won't be running across the map if there isn't a queen by a hatchery. Also, I don't recommend using the Backspace key at all.

HERE'S A VERY USEFUL TIP THAT IMPROVES THIS METHOD:

Assign the side button(s) on your mouse to Backspace.
If you have side buttons on your mouse, you should assign one of them to the backspace key. That way you don't have to position your hand to the right side of keyboard. It's also useful for more than just injecting, being able to switch from base to base using the side button with your mouse hand is helpful for all races.

This will be easy to do when patch 1.2 is released. Currently, you'll have to do it using your mouse software. I know it can easily be done using Razer or Logitech (SetPoint).


I will try this. I gave up on this technique in beta but i never thought of this.
i like cheese
WarSong
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada126 Posts
December 28 2010 22:49 GMT
#119
On May 17 2010 06:48 Vexx wrote:
Watched the video and while it does look fast, my hand is NEVER on the right side of the keyboard. Then again, I use a g15 keyboard so my g1-g6 keys are bound to 55v, 66v and so on to select my queen, center on her, spawn larva then click.

people like this annoy me. "i cheat because i'm too unskilled to actually handle my race's mechanics." the thought that i sometimes have an unknown handicap while i play on the ladder is semi-depressing and quite lame.
learn to play.
Til water is gone, til shade is gone: into the Blight with teeth bared, to spit in Sightblinder's eye on the Last Day.
Cade
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1420 Posts
December 28 2010 23:39 GMT
#120
I don't play Zerg, but I almost want to try some out on the PTR to mess around with the best hotkey bindings for this
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