I would also say it was for PvZ cannon rushes... I mean yeah i can make a spine crawler which takes 100 years to make and now 12 seconds to move, but lings don't do crap vs cannons anymore...

YuMSc2

Switzerland104 Posts

May 13 2010 19:37 GMT

#623

how about buffing protoss for once blizzard??

knyttym

United States5797 Posts

May 13 2010 19:37 GMT

#624

I had to lol when I saw that roach nerf. I mean I don't see it having a big difference in early game zvt and zvp but zvz is going to veer even more toward mass ling openings.
Diversifying late game armies is nice so I guess it isn't too big a deal.

ModernAgeShaman

Norway484 Posts

May 13 2010 19:38 GMT

#625

On May 14 2010 04:35 okrane wrote:
I'm sad to say, I feel like Zerg needs a major rework. Twinkering with the numbers is not what the race needs at the moment. A major overhaul is needed. Sadly this late in the beta, I doubt it will be the case.

as much as i hate to say this, I think you're right and that zerg will be in a similar state in the released game.

WizEye

United States9 Posts

May 13 2010 19:38 GMT

#626

On May 14 2010 04:22 On_Slaught wrote:
The vortex change seems both useless and random... who's going to use this massive ability to remove a spammable ability.

I believe it was done so you couldn't one shot a huge army by casting vortex and then applying a force-field on top of it.

JitnikoVi

Russian Federation396 Posts

May 13 2010 19:38 GMT

#627

On May 14 2010 02:52 Kruxt wrote:
I have been saying Roach should be 2 food for a long time.

+1

User was warned for this post

Bluerain

United States348 Posts

May 13 2010 19:39 GMT

#628

On May 14 2010 03:59 Chronopolis wrote:
Forge debuff (it's not a nerf, no one goes forge first in PvZ) is very welcome, as the forge rush previously was extremly difficult to defend. Compare gateway's build time of 55, to the forge's which was 35 (is now 45).

Thor
+ Radius decreased from 1.375 to 0.8125.
Thor model scale should be a good thing, but maybe they went a tad over board. That's like a 50% reduction, Terrans can now stuff more Thors in a given area, again making the terran ball most effecient at firing (The units are small and they have decent range).

Roach
+ Supply count increased from 1 to 2.
Not exactly sure how much of an impact this will have on zerg, but for sure, it will reduce the stregnth of the zerg's 200/200 army. Roaches are now supply whores, like zealots. As a biased protoss favour, I support this change, seeing as how a roach wins 1:1 against a zealot, and how cheap they are.
Also, this increase in supply will probably strengthen the protoss FE build in PvZ, as the protoss can get away with less cannons.

make roach not require a roach warren if ur complaining aobut it beating a zlot

TeWy

France714 Posts

May 13 2010 19:39 GMT

#629

The roach change is fine, but now I believe that it is weak enough to make either the "Organic Carapace" (more regen) or the "Tunneling Claws" (moving burrowed) upgrade inherent to the unit.
It would simplify the game and gives a more precise role to the roach.

poor newb

United States1879 Posts

May 13 2010 19:40 GMT

#630

On May 14 2010 04:35 SichuanPanda wrote:

Show nested quote +

People complain about the Thor being to big. They make it smaller, now its too small?..... Really?

still too big imo, they still look way bigger than ultras, unrealistic

YuMSc2

Switzerland104 Posts

May 13 2010 19:40 GMT

#631

To all the Terran players out there, I tell u people one thing, the thor has been majorly buffed. When fighting in small chokes, more thors will be able to fit in a given space and will thus do more damage.

Lollersauce

United States357 Posts

May 13 2010 19:41 GMT

#632

Well pretty much the Thor isn't bad against ground, and it's really good against air.
It's now small enough to be massable.

...

Arbalest

Canada25 Posts

May 13 2010 19:42 GMT

#633

GG blizzard, you are absolutely retarded.

User was temp banned for this post.

kRow

Canada22 Posts

May 13 2010 19:42 GMT

#634

is this the final of this patch? or is there more?

Carnivorous Sheep

Baa?21248 Posts

May 13 2010 19:42 GMT

#635

Wow. Fucking wow. Yeah, buff Thor but leave Ultras unchanged, and continue fucking with the Roach.

-.-

Azarkon

United States21060 Posts

May 13 2010 19:42 GMT

#636

I for one would love to watch some high-level tournaments post-patch 12, especially those involving Terran and Zerg...

TrzystaDrzew

Poland72 Posts

May 13 2010 19:42 GMT

#637

Any one can paste screen with new Thor attached to dropship? My Battlenet is still down for maintenance.

Mios

United States686 Posts

May 13 2010 19:42 GMT

#638

i always thought it was strange that roaches had 6 more damage than a stalker yet took half the supply and half the resources. honestly when i first started playing i thought 1 food roach was a bug (but that was when they had 2 armor too).

they will still be used, they are still the best hp/resources unit in the game (besides overlords and ultras i think), and are therefore necessary for tanking for hydras/mutas/infestors in fights. you just gotta build a few more ovies and your 200 food army will be weaker so you'll have to fight earlier.

XXXSmOke

United States1333 Posts

May 13 2010 19:43 GMT

#639

Forge nerf makes sense guys, protoss timing +1 timing attacks were very strong in PvT, and in PvZ the sim city build is to strong as well. Roach nerf and no ultra changes tho.......... well as a T player I have a guiilty smile

but still feel bad for Zergs.

Krikkitone

United States1451 Posts

May 13 2010 19:43 GMT

#640

On May 14 2010 04:39 TeWy wrote:
The roach change is fine, but now I believe that it is weak enough to make either the "Organic Carapace" (more regen) or the "Tunneling Claws" (moving burrowed) upgrade inherent to the unit.
It would simplify the game and gives a more precise role to the roach.

Tunneling Claws would make sense because the roach would still need Burrow to be researched. (ie it would stay a Lair level upgrade)

probably restore Organic Carapace's boost to unburrowed regen (making roaches still viable late game.... perhaps make it an Ultralisk upgrade as well)