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Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
many players fell back on just massing roach as their staple unit, usually using hydra to back them up. roach/hydra was what some players did in every matchup vs any unit comps..with adding some infestors/broods usually. this change should promote the use of not only other units but some other tactics/strategy employed as well they just need to add the ultra changes and melee vs forcefield changes imo | ||
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Raelcun
United States3747 Posts
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lynx.oblige
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
On May 14 2010 04:27 Lollersauce wrote: Yes, lings are a great counter to hellions. If there's just two of them. You should be making roaches at that point. You're looking at it too linearly. If you can't surround/kill the hellions with zergling/queen, you can buy enough time to get roaches. It's really not incredibly difficult for Zerg as well as not even close to ezmod victory for Terran. Level up? | ||
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RogerChillingworth
Chad3132 Posts
I'm just saying that i see more whining rather than adapting :\ This encourages players to try new things. Dude...I'm all for adapting. Fuck, I didn't like the dynamics of the zerg match-ups (roach rushing tosses who invariably 2 gate to fuck your FE, mutalisks vs. terran, speedlings in zvz), but in order to adapt you need something to adapt TO. Please, Protoss/Terran player who does terrible terrible damage and can fly high off 2-base, tell me what I'm missing. | ||
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
And the roach nerf just confirms Terran as the best race ez. | ||
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Talic_Zealot
688 Posts
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onmach
United States1241 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On May 14 2010 04:28 ghen wrote: btw, vortex forcefield was nerfed due to this: Good catch. I do think Blizzard is paying attention to the youtube videos, especially those of StarcraftScientist who tries to discover tricks and/or exploits in the game, and that this will lead to a game with much fewer "unintended features" as BW, for better or for worse. | ||
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TSL-Lore
United States412 Posts
On May 14 2010 04:29 iCCup.Raelcun wrote: That roach change is so pointless... Okay so previously they had an armor removed to make its power more like a 1 supply unit then they up the supply to 2 without changing the armor back? If you're going to up the supply on a roach at least buff the roach so it's useful and not just a trash unit. no, stop saying "buff the roach to match the 2 supply." Stop building problem upon problem upon problem. This is an unacceptable change to an already unacceptable unit. The zerg is a festering pool of problems all layered upon another, and blizzard doesn't know how to clean it up. All they know is how to add another layer. | ||
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-Frog-
United States514 Posts
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Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
On May 14 2010 04:29 iCCup.Raelcun wrote: That roach change is so pointless... Okay so previously they had an armor removed to make its power more like a 1 supply unit then they up the supply to 2 without changing the armor back? If you're going to up the supply on a roach at least buff the roach so it's useful and not just a trash unit. i agree that they should be improved in some other way now..i really hope/expect to see it in the future their power is a little bit too low to justify their cost. i do agree they should be 2 supply (due to the sheer huge numbers you could get before you max out) but also think they need some other compensation | ||
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
On May 14 2010 04:21 Bibdy wrote: Given their spiel about large numbers of Roaches in long games, maybe the Roach wall was just too strong. Your army certainly isn't going to be 50% as effective, unless you're literally spamming Roaches to 200 Supply and kill all your Workers doing it, you just have half as many Roaches (or have to build less Hydras/Mutas/whatever to keep your tank wall as strong). That would be the safe assumption, except as Z I never felt like my roach wall survives all that long against P or T armies as it is. Maybe I am just not good, maybe I also need to mix in more fungal growths, maybe a lot of things...but in all I just don't quite see a replacement for roaches as the game wears on. The roach wall is certainly weaker now, but nothing seems to be able to take the spot of the said wall in the first place. So really, was the wall so hard to break that we need to cut its number in half? | ||
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LawnMower
Sweden557 Posts
On May 14 2010 04:28 ghen wrote: btw, vortex forcefield was nerfed due to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C_rK5sCmR4 Wow that's pretty sick, thanks for showing. | ||
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SichuanPanda
Canada1542 Posts
On May 14 2010 04:29 Archerofaiur wrote: Wow. I like how flowers are knee high on the new thor :p ![[image loading]](http://www.sc2blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/teh-thor.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://sclegacy.com/images/uploaded/starcraftiinews/patch_12_thor.jpg) They really need to make the cockpit larger. People complain about the Thor being to big. They make it smaller, now its too small?..... Really? | ||
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CubE.
Canada39 Posts
On May 14 2010 04:29 Zelniq wrote: dont understand where some of these posts about diversity are coming from at all many players fell back on just massing roach as their staple unit, usually using hydra to back them up. roach/hydra was what some players did in every matchup vs any unit comps..with adding some infestors/broods usually. this change should promote the use of not only other units but some other tactics/strategy employed as well they just need to add the ultra changes and melee vs forcefield changes imo People keep screaming ADAPT. What am I going to adapt to? Zerg has 3.5 ground units lings/blings roaches and hydras. I am not factoring in Ultralisks forcefield owns them so does a few marauders. As it stands now they are a massive waste of money. By severely handicapping 1 unit there is now 2.5 units I can transition to. How is that diversity. Terran has 7 ground units protoss has 5 ground units not counting dt as they are basically an all in unit. Where am I diversifying too? | ||
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okrane
France265 Posts
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Bosu
United States3247 Posts
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Raelcun
United States3747 Posts
On May 14 2010 04:33 TSL-Lore wrote: no, stop saying "buff the roach to match the 2 supply." Stop building problem upon problem upon problem. This is an unacceptable change to an already unacceptable unit. The zerg is a festering pool of problems all layered upon another, and blizzard doesn't know how to clean it up. All they know is how to add another layer. My point is that this change is completely stupid because if they're going to up the supply without buffing it then it makes the already bad change even worse. So basically you're going to limit the total army size of zergs hmm not like mid/lategame roaches die in 5 seconds anyway NO NEVER HAPPENS. So now there will be less... right. I don't agree with the change at all but if you're going to even look competant you have to adjust the unit when you up it's supply at the same time. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On May 14 2010 04:33 Zelniq wrote: i agree that they should be improved in some other way now..i really hope/expect to see it in the future their power is a little bit too low to justify their cost. i do agree they should be 2 supply (due to the sheer huge numbers you could get before you max out) but also think they need some other compensation If anything the supply should go back to 1 with nerfed stats. It's getting ridiculous when Terran has more units on the field than Zerg. | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
This just seems like a bad way to balance the game. | ||
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