Patch 12 - Changes and Discussion - Page 30

On May 14 2010 04:15 Zelniq wrote:

wtf? queens + lings are more than enough to stop reapers man. queen stalls for ling speed to finish

On May 14 2010 03:31 Xinliben wrote:
I would be ok with this roach nerf if burrow was made more desirable to get. If I have less roaches at least let me do cool things with them. Zerg should get burrow every game, it just seems...zerg like. With it, in the late game, these smaller amounts of roaches could turn into more of a special ops ambush unit, allowing good surrounds on blobs of units, while soon-to-be-buffed ultras are the main tanks.

On May 14 2010 03:43 TSL-Lore wrote:
Making the roach 2 food is completely the wrong direction and shows that Blizzard has pigeon-holed themselves into non-creative and un-fun changes with no regard for the flavor of the race. By making the roach 2 food, they're completely destroying the philosophy of "quantity over quality" that zerg users knew and fell in love with. The change is a lazy one.

On May 14 2010 04:26 Lollersauce wrote:


Yup. But then the hellions rolls in.
As some terran player said, mariokart to victory.

On May 14 2010 04:24 Azarkon wrote:
IdrA: well done Blizzard



More seriously:

There is a good chance that they put the roach change in to gauge how Zerg strategies would evolve before buffing ultralisks. They waited quite a while to do so - even though players were complaining about roaches being food 1 since day one of Beta - implying that they were holding out to see how the match-ups would evolve. Apparently, it has not evolved to their satisfaction, so they decided to go ahead and make a huge change and see which units come to fore now that Zerg don't have roaches to fall back on. This is Beta, after all, so they have every reason to use us as guinea pigs.

My predictions: hydralisks are a natural "replacement" for roaches and have been used successfully as a mainstay unit since the very beginning. Their weakness against units like colossi, high templars, and mass marines/tanks/thors, however, means that they will likely have to be supplemented by other units in order to stay competitive. Roaches are still a viable supplement - by no means a "trash" unit - but now ultras, zerglings, and banelings will probably get used a lot more, which I think is what Blizzard wanted to see as well. Another possibility is that people would switch to speedling/muta builds, which has already happened in high-level ZvZ,. This will likely lead to a phoenix response from Protoss and even more marine+thor+hellion usage from Terran. Either way, I don't think roaches will play as a big of a role in late-game Zerg armies as before due to the 2 food change, because with Zerg already losing 200/200 battles to well-composed Terran and Protoss armies, halving the number of roaches is probably going to lead to slaughter.

On May 14 2010 04:22 orgon wrote:
Terrans are seriously are the toughest race now. I think I'll switch over the next reset.

On May 14 2010 04:26 Lollersauce wrote:


Yup. But then the hellions rolls in.
As some terran player said, mariokart to victory.

On May 14 2010 04:26 lynx.oblige wrote:


lol? Lings with speed are faster than hellions on creep (I think slightly faster off creep too). Hellions also can't kill Queens in any timely manner, so...

On May 14 2010 04:22 HeyheyLBJ wrote:


Yeah it's a beta so clearly we shouldn't be discussing anything that has to do with the game. I mean, that's what official releases are for!

On May 14 2010 04:22 Jusciax wrote:

Very true, sir. Completely agree.

On May 14 2010 04:27 theqat wrote:


Micromanaged Speedlings annihilate Hellions unless you have some critical mass of Hellions, which is pretty rare