Training Camp in Arizona - Page 28

On May 12 2010 07:04 Magulina wrote:


I don't agree with this at all. There are both a lot of poker instruction videos, and poker coaches out there. Both is great for your game, however if you get a coach the coach can focus on you and find your weaknesses much faster, things that you might not see yourself. So with a coach you'll improve at a much faster rate.
Starcraft and poker are very similar in many ways, so I definately think this applies to starcraft aswell.

On May 12 2010 07:10 billyX333 wrote:


the thing about poker coaching is they dont teach you necessarily what to think, they teach you how to think
you can can apply the concepts,insights and critical analyses yourself
there are far too many unique situations in poker
which is why i think listening to commentary would be of greater use
you will learn to apply concepts to separate situations by yourself

if you learn to critically analyze your own play on your own, you'd be better served for the future IMO

On May 12 2010 07:30 ZpuX wrote:

I think the thing is, if people have such a strong desire to become one of the top players these hours of coaching will be nothing in comparison of what needs to be done. If you cant improve on your own this camp will only do good for the first few weeks. Then you will be stuck again not knowing how to get forward and again you will seek help from coaching and stuff. This will never last in the long run.

There are people who got help from others pointing out flaws who ended up being top players, but none of these payed for it. This is because the amount of time you need to put into helping a player cant be covered by paid lessons.

Of course, as long as people are willing to pay, Gosucoaching should continue, but I get the feeling that they are blowing things out of proportion and giving players hope of getting really good by trying to cheat their way up to the top (not putting in the hours required).

My advice for everyone who wants to become really good is to start out by playing the game for the joy rather than playing to become a progamer. I wont say everyone, but pretty close to all the top gamers today started out with gaming because they had a lot of fun playing and in the end they just happened to become good players.

As with everything, I dont think people realize how much time it actually takes to become the very best at something.


So in conclusion, if you want to spend some money and hang out with other starcraft players go ahead, but you should not expect to become a top player with this method.

On May 12 2010 07:57 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
why the HELL are you guys babbling about becoming a top gamer or w/e? Read the first friggin paragraph of the OP.. it isn't even close to ambiguous for what we are offering and it has NOTHING to do with "becoming a top gamer."

On May 12 2010 08:13 ZpuX wrote:

I guess I am just being ignorant, but I dont see the different between copper and silver, or even copper and low/mid platinum... "completely revamping, boosting and refining the skills" seems to be a lot more than just moving up one league on battle net.

But as I already said, I am just giving my view on taking lessons at a computer game. Of course people will voice their opinion when something like this comes up in a discussion forum.

If you don't like the idea of post count being important then you're at the wrong site. If you think the forum veterans are 25 year old nerd ragers and you don't like the idea of respecting them you're at the wrong site. If you think the rules at SomethingAwful are superior, you're at the wrong site. If you think you know who deserves to be banned and you're not a mod you're at the wrong site. If you don't like the elitist totem pole that is TL then you're at the wrong site.

Yes, you can spam posts, but it's highly unlikely that someone's going to spam up 1k post and not have ever posted anything worthwhile.

Bottom line: If you don't like the rules then YOU'RE AT THE WRONG SITE.

On May 12 2010 07:30 ZpuX wrote:

I think the thing is, if people have such a strong desire to become one of the top players these hours of coaching will be nothing in comparison of what needs to be done. If you cant improve on your own this camp will only do good for the first few weeks. Then you will be stuck again not knowing how to get forward and again you will seek help from coaching and stuff. This will never last in the long run.

There are people who got help from others pointing out flaws who ended up being top players, but none of these payed for it. This is because the amount of time you need to put into helping a player cant be covered by paid lessons.

Of course, as long as people are willing to pay, Gosucoaching should continue, but I get the feeling that they are blowing things out of proportion and giving players hope of getting really good by trying to cheat their way up to the top (not putting in the hours required).

My advice for everyone who wants to become really good is to start out by playing the game for the joy rather than playing to become a progamer. I wont say everyone, but pretty close to all the top gamers today started out with gaming because they had a lot of fun playing and in the end they just happened to become good players.

As with everything, I dont think people realize how much time it actually takes to become the very best at something.


So in conclusion, if you want to spend some money and hang out with other starcraft players go ahead, but you should not expect to become a top player with this method.

On May 12 2010 08:22 Senx wrote:


Why the fuck would I pay for these guitar lessons when I know I wont become any Jimi Hendrix??
Imean I'll never become a top guitarist taking lessons from this teacher but atleast i'll learn some songs, isn't that worth it?

On May 12 2010 09:15 VarsityUser wrote:
The last two times I've seen the word "revamping":

On an infomercial for a shitty product, and on a forum for a shitty product.

I'll train anyone who PM's me for less than 12/hr@ paypal. I know for a fact I'm better than several of the players "Coaching" this 'camp'. I just got the beta last week and and constantly reviewing all current tournament, league, and various other replays for strategic influence. I play protoss and terran and can probably teach zerg up to a 1700~ish rating.

I'll be making a forum later but PM if interested. Don't waste your hard earned money on traveling to someone elses comfort zone to let them take use of you. All the training you need can be done via a schedule of playing, reviewing replays, and analyzing deep traits in your game.

On May 12 2010 09:15 VarsityUser wrote:
The last two times I've seen the word "revamping":

On an infomercial for a shitty product, and on a forum for a shitty product.

I'll train anyone who PM's me for less than 12/hr@ paypal. I know for a fact I'm better than several of the players "Coaching" this 'camp'. I just got the beta last week and and constantly reviewing all current tournament, league, and various other replays for strategic influence. I play protoss and terran and can probably teach zerg up to a 1700~ish rating.

I'll be making a forum later but PM if interested. Don't waste your hard earned money on traveling to someone elses comfort zone to let them take use of you. All the training you need can be done via a schedule of playing, reviewing replays, and analyzing deep traits in your game.