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Wi)nD
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada719 Posts
May 12 2010 04:01 GMT
#581
when will ppl finaly learn that being in plat means litteraly shit all, i have seen so many plat users just all in and cheese play to try and get to the top and still epicaly fail

on topic

kudos to those at gosucoaching for trying to get some love and effort into the new sc2 community
gl with all ur future plans/events
dogabutila
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1437 Posts
May 12 2010 11:15 GMT
#582
:-/ not going to be able to make it out this time. Timing is bad because i'm needing to fly out to CO for a week in july and I wont have enough money to do both.

I hope it goes well so you guys can do another camp.
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EnderW
Profile Joined March 2010
United States170 Posts
May 12 2010 11:23 GMT
#583
+ Show Spoiler +

On May 12 2010 12:30 CheAse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2010 12:05 BigDates wrote:
Let's all pay real money to get good at a game... It's easy to get (fairly) good at on your own (im 1600 plat, 54-26, and i played one week of BW in my life, and WC3 until i got my 25 win icon ^^, Didnt take any coachingg. Not saying i'm good,just saying that for how short i've played and researched, its proven that you dont NEED coaching to be good) I think this is a bit of a scam TBH, but meh, who am i to judge.

Heres a hint: Watch ALOT of pro replays, watch some day[9] Daily's, get some practice partners, review your replays and pick out where you went wrong.


I'm pretty sure Gosucoaching's aim is not to be just "good". When I consider taking gosucoaching I'm thinking about actual competitive settings in tournaments, not some battle net ladder that anyone can do well on.

I'm #1 in my plat division and at a decent rating and sometimes play vs known players, but I don't consider myself to be "good". I would think that gosucoaching is offering their service for high level starcraft players who want to take part in tournaments and play at a higher level. There is no way that their experience wouldn't be helpful for someone who wants to truly play at a competitive level.

You can do 1 cheasy strat, or just learn one build and play it over and over again on the ladder. You don't have to deal with pressure, or anything that competitive at the 1600 bracket.

My friend who is GOD AWFUL at RTS and was E in iccup is in plat. You may be in plat but there is gameplay far above what you could even imagine. I really think people have to understand the level of skill difference in plat...



I couldn't agree with you more there chease.

And Bigdates, being only a 1600 platinum player, i don't think you are in any position to be making those claims and giving people your protips.
Learn from the mistakes of others, because you wont live long enough to make them all yourself.
Redx
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands77 Posts
May 12 2010 11:41 GMT
#584
I live in the outside USA so can't really sign up but hey
Just wanted to make a post still, to let you guys know i really like the idea and wish you the best of luck! That w eone-day may see a recruit winning a big tourney.
We live our truest life when we are in dreams awake
landaishan
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia104 Posts
May 12 2010 12:56 GMT
#585
haters gonna hate

lots of people dont like seeing others succeed where they themselves fail in life

its called tall poppy syndrome
courage mateship sacrifice endurance
Tinithor
Profile Joined February 2008
United States1552 Posts
May 12 2010 13:44 GMT
#586
On May 12 2010 04:30 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2010 04:10 Ballistixz wrote:
im still so very amazed at people trying to compare coaching to a video game compared to tutoring for being a math major or a professional football/basketball player. its just unbelievable how gullible and stupid people are.

you can make millions being a pro football player during there career and having a math tutor opens so many doors for you to have a successful life. musical tutors is the same, lots of money to be made in the music industry. stop trying to compare it because it is not the same...

the chances of you making any money at all playing starcraft is insanely low.

Oh and becoming a pro football player or musician is soooo easy.

/end sarcasm

Yea, tutoring math or something is much more realistic, I'll give you that. However, exactly how different is this camp from any other "training camp" for sports or music? I've been to soccer camps myself and I can tell you right now I'm nowhere near becoming a soccer pro. Why'd I go then? Because I love soccer and I love playing the sport.

People dont' go to these things because they think it'll help them go pro (usually). People go to these thigns because they love the activity and enjoy playing/doing it.

Really dude, how much easier do you think becoming a pro sports player or professional musician is than being a pro gamer anyways? Even if you become a pro football player, the chances of you becoming a big name QB is much smaller than simply becoming some no-name defensive lineman. If you use music as an example, you really have no idea how freaking hard it is to actually make a good living off of music. You're either the best (read: yo-yo ma/ itzhak perlman status) or you barely scrape by on music alone. The chances of becoming a successful progamer is pretty much the same as becoming a successful sports player or musician.


Except you can actually make a living as a no name defensive lineman. Only the top 10-20 pro gamers in the WORLD ever make enough to even support themselves playing starcraft. (and all of them are in korea)

They also work much harder than any other job in the world. What other jobs can you think of where you practice 14+ hours a day in order to make minimal money? Its just a BAD decision to try and do.
"Oh-My-GOD" ... "Is many mutas, Yes?"
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
May 12 2010 13:56 GMT
#587
On May 12 2010 22:44 Tinithor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2010 04:30 Ryuu314 wrote:
On May 12 2010 04:10 Ballistixz wrote:
im still so very amazed at people trying to compare coaching to a video game compared to tutoring for being a math major or a professional football/basketball player. its just unbelievable how gullible and stupid people are.

you can make millions being a pro football player during there career and having a math tutor opens so many doors for you to have a successful life. musical tutors is the same, lots of money to be made in the music industry. stop trying to compare it because it is not the same...

the chances of you making any money at all playing starcraft is insanely low.

Oh and becoming a pro football player or musician is soooo easy.

/end sarcasm

Yea, tutoring math or something is much more realistic, I'll give you that. However, exactly how different is this camp from any other "training camp" for sports or music? I've been to soccer camps myself and I can tell you right now I'm nowhere near becoming a soccer pro. Why'd I go then? Because I love soccer and I love playing the sport.

People dont' go to these things because they think it'll help them go pro (usually). People go to these thigns because they love the activity and enjoy playing/doing it.

Really dude, how much easier do you think becoming a pro sports player or professional musician is than being a pro gamer anyways? Even if you become a pro football player, the chances of you becoming a big name QB is much smaller than simply becoming some no-name defensive lineman. If you use music as an example, you really have no idea how freaking hard it is to actually make a good living off of music. You're either the best (read: yo-yo ma/ itzhak perlman status) or you barely scrape by on music alone. The chances of becoming a successful progamer is pretty much the same as becoming a successful sports player or musician.


Except you can actually make a living as a no name defensive lineman. Only the top 10-20 pro gamers in the WORLD ever make enough to even support themselves playing starcraft. (and all of them are in korea)

They also work much harder than any other job in the world. What other jobs can you think of where you practice 14+ hours a day in order to make minimal money? Its just a BAD decision to try and do.


And there will come a day when video games gets its own muhammad ali, but if people enjoy what they're doing why does money matter?

Esports has been around such a short time in comparison to other sports, or things like math, music etc.

It's pretty easy to see that it will eventually take off.


This sounds like a really cool idea taking a step in that direction.
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
May 12 2010 13:57 GMT
#588
Why is it every time someone tries to do something to turn SC into a career ppl start qq'ing?

Last I checked in Korea they have SC camps where you go learn to play SC better. Where is all the outrage about them?
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
RoosterSamurai
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan2108 Posts
May 12 2010 14:07 GMT
#589
I don't know why people are getting so political about this? Granted, I couldn't afford this camp because I live so far away, but this could be a relatively ground breaking advance in the field of gaming. If only gosu coaching could open up more camps at other places across the country, then the name of affordable pro-gaming camps (and yes, they get paid to game, they are progamers) would be established.
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
May 12 2010 14:14 GMT
#590
On May 12 2010 23:07 RoosterSamurai wrote:
I don't know why people are getting so political about this? Granted, I couldn't afford this camp because I live so far away, but this could be a relatively ground breaking advance in the field of gaming. If only gosu coaching could open up more camps at other places across the country, then the name of affordable pro-gaming camps (and yes, they get paid to game, they are progamers) would be established.


Very good point sir
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
Spidermonkey
Profile Joined April 2010
United States251 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-12 14:44:08
May 12 2010 14:42 GMT
#591
This is exactly what Camp Woodward went through about 10 years ago when it was started up. Now I'm going to assume some of you know what that is, and I'll assume some of you are shut in nerds who never leave your room, or watch ESPN.

A few years back some "pro" Extreme Sport athletes put together a camp for people to get better at BMX Freestyle, and Skate Park/Vert. Very few people EVER make it professional doing Extreme Sports. So why would parents PAY to send their kids to this camp? Because their kids loved the activity and wanted to be around other people who were good and loved it too.

Today Extreme Sports are held with the same respect as all other contemporary sports. While I don't think E-Sports will reach that I can see it being on par to Poker or Scrabble Tournaments which are often broadcasted on ESPN.

This is why you were suppose to take history in school. You can predict the future by learning from the past.
~ Richard Trahan
YPang
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States4024 Posts
May 12 2010 14:58 GMT
#592
It's really hard for a bunch of nerds creating their own progamer hosue to make money off their own part time jobs, if i did have the 250$ i would seriously go, i might of even donated it just cuz i want to see progaming go far, and put some money in tournament prize pools.
sMi.Gladstone | BW: B high| SC2: gold T_T
KinosJourney2
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden1811 Posts
May 12 2010 15:11 GMT
#593
The first page of this thread made me shed a tear cause of all these user warnings, i haven't laughed this much in a while

Good luck with the camp
ocho wrote: EDIT: NEVERMIND, THIS THING HAS APM TECHNOLOGY OMG
RoosterSamurai
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan2108 Posts
May 12 2010 15:17 GMT
#594
On May 12 2010 23:42 Spidermonkey wrote:
This is exactly what Camp Woodward went through about 10 years ago when it was started up. Now I'm going to assume some of you know what that is, and I'll assume some of you are shut in nerds who never leave your room, or watch ESPN.

A few years back some "pro" Extreme Sport athletes put together a camp for people to get better at BMX Freestyle, and Skate Park/Vert. Very few people EVER make it professional doing Extreme Sports. So why would parents PAY to send their kids to this camp? Because their kids loved the activity and wanted to be around other people who were good and loved it too.

Today Extreme Sports are held with the same respect as all other contemporary sports. While I don't think E-Sports will reach that I can see it being on par to Poker or Scrabble Tournaments which are often broadcasted on ESPN.

This is why you were suppose to take history in school. You can predict the future by learning from the past.

Why would you assume that people that aren't meat-head jocks that spend all day fondling other football players in an open field, and reciting no-homo for the hundredth time in an hour, and watching ESPN religiously are "shut-in nerds" ? Your exaggeration only goes to show your ignorance. Think before posting, please...
Louder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States2276 Posts
May 12 2010 15:21 GMT
#595
On May 12 2010 11:56 CheAse wrote:
Have you guys considering doing something exactly like this but completely online?

For someone like myself who is middle class, this program is very attractive but is simply inaccessible.


Yes, we have some ideas we've discussed. The logistics are actually much more challenging to do this completely online but we'll be trying some new things in the not so distant future.
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
May 12 2010 15:23 GMT
#596
On May 13 2010 00:21 Louder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2010 11:56 CheAse wrote:
Have you guys considering doing something exactly like this but completely online?

For someone like myself who is middle class, this program is very attractive but is simply inaccessible.


Yes, we have some ideas we've discussed. The logistics are actually much more challenging to do this completely online but we'll be trying some new things in the not so distant future.


I'll be your first student! See if we can get me out of Silver !!!! lol
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
EnderW
Profile Joined March 2010
United States170 Posts
May 12 2010 15:33 GMT
#597
On May 13 2010 00:17 RoosterSamurai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2010 23:42 Spidermonkey wrote:
This is exactly what Camp Woodward went through about 10 years ago when it was started up. Now I'm going to assume some of you know what that is, and I'll assume some of you are shut in nerds who never leave your room, or watch ESPN.

A few years back some "pro" Extreme Sport athletes put together a camp for people to get better at BMX Freestyle, and Skate Park/Vert. Very few people EVER make it professional doing Extreme Sports. So why would parents PAY to send their kids to this camp? Because their kids loved the activity and wanted to be around other people who were good and loved it too.

Today Extreme Sports are held with the same respect as all other contemporary sports. While I don't think E-Sports will reach that I can see it being on par to Poker or Scrabble Tournaments which are often broadcasted on ESPN.

This is why you were suppose to take history in school. You can predict the future by learning from the past.

Why would you assume that people that aren't meat-head jocks that spend all day fondling other football players in an open field, and reciting no-homo for the hundredth time in an hour, and watching ESPN religiously are "shut-in nerds" ? Your exaggeration only goes to show your ignorance. Think before posting, please...


LOL, man i'm pretty sure that you just took that one sentence really really personally, and failed to read the rest of the post :o
Learn from the mistakes of others, because you wont live long enough to make them all yourself.
MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-12 15:41:05
May 12 2010 15:39 GMT
#598
On May 12 2010 12:30 Rubyiris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2010 11:15 GogoKodo wrote:
On May 11 2010 11:10 Rubyiris wrote:
This is a cool idea, but 250$? :\

Ya, that is pretty cheap, they could probably be charging more.


How exactly is 250$ cheap? =\

dont worry thats probably incontrols smurf talking ^^
just kidding altho it would be a classic move :D

i agree with previous posters on the part that i see absolute no different between copper players to gold. platinum says something at least. this is all gonna be better (hopefully) when sc2 comes out for real
Progamerpls no copy pasterino
eNtitY~
Profile Joined January 2007
United States1293 Posts
May 12 2010 15:47 GMT
#599
On May 12 2010 12:30 Rubyiris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2010 11:15 GogoKodo wrote:
On May 11 2010 11:10 Rubyiris wrote:
This is a cool idea, but 250$? :\

Ya, that is pretty cheap, they could probably be charging more.


How exactly is 250$ cheap? =\


Because look at it this way, Str8 Rippin (Halo 3 Pro Team) charged $1200 for a weekend of the same thing EG is offering.
http://www.starcraftdream.com
Spidermonkey
Profile Joined April 2010
United States251 Posts
May 12 2010 16:01 GMT
#600
On May 13 2010 00:33 EnderW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2010 00:17 RoosterSamurai wrote:
On May 12 2010 23:42 Spidermonkey wrote:
This is exactly what Camp Woodward went through about 10 years ago when it was started up. Now I'm going to assume some of you know what that is, and I'll assume some of you are shut in nerds who never leave your room, or watch ESPN.

A few years back some "pro" Extreme Sport athletes put together a camp for people to get better at BMX Freestyle, and Skate Park/Vert. Very few people EVER make it professional doing Extreme Sports. So why would parents PAY to send their kids to this camp? Because their kids loved the activity and wanted to be around other people who were good and loved it too.

Today Extreme Sports are held with the same respect as all other contemporary sports. While I don't think E-Sports will reach that I can see it being on par to Poker or Scrabble Tournaments which are often broadcasted on ESPN.

This is why you were suppose to take history in school. You can predict the future by learning from the past.

Why would you assume that people that aren't meat-head jocks that spend all day fondling other football players in an open field, and reciting no-homo for the hundredth time in an hour, and watching ESPN religiously are "shut-in nerds" ? Your exaggeration only goes to show your ignorance. Think before posting, please...


LOL, man i'm pretty sure that you just took that one sentence really really personally, and failed to read the rest of the post :o


Yea. I guess it's easier to argue one sentence in a paragraph than the point I was making. I love how I gave two examples of people and he assumed he was the shut in nerd.
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