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torm3ntin
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil2534 Posts
May 10 2010 01:38 GMT
#81
funny stuff
Grubby and Ret fan, but a TERRAN player :D
suejak
Profile Joined March 2010
Japan545 Posts
May 10 2010 01:39 GMT
#82
On May 10 2010 10:35 Nytefish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2010 10:11 poingy wrote:
why the heck is it even such a big deal that there's not chat rooms implemented? it's not like you can't talk to multiple people at the same time anyways?

mouse over the right side of one of your 1:1 conversation and click the tab and it pops out a list of people in the conversation... and hit the giant button on top of the list that says "INVITE TO CHAT".


I don't even understand how it's a big deal that channels don't exist in beta when their messenger takes care of almost everything you need already anyways.


Did you ever play on bnet? Channels were so useful for so many things:

1. Meeting random friends of friends or strangers.
2. Gathering place for teams/clans.
3. Place to go when looking for casual 1v1s (like op ToT on europe).
4. Organsing tournaments/events/clan wars/showmatches/competitions/etc.
5. Somewhere to simply idle or chat like an IRC channel.
6. Simply being able to see people rather than stare at some bland menu.

It's just a really important social aspect of the game so chat channels or something similar is simply a requirement for anyone who's not a robot.


7. YELLING LIKE A TOURETTE'S SUFFERER ABOUT THE bURNING, THE BURNNNNING
8. Virtual sex
9. Undirected trash talk
10. TL-like bitching about everything
Are you human?
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
May 10 2010 01:42 GMT
#83
On May 10 2010 08:26 Catch]22 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2010 08:23 Energizer wrote:
On May 10 2010 08:22 Nytefish wrote:
On May 10 2010 08:16 Marradron wrote:
You could chat before in a game too .... still looks nice. Not too usefull but still nice to show how lazy blizzard was.


It's not that they're too lazy to do it, it's just for some peverse reason they think the negatives of chat rooms are so severe it's not even worth implementing it in the beta.


Not just the beta, but the official game release. Its been stated by DB that they wont have it day 1.. but "in a future patch/expansion"


Even in retrospect, I'd rather have the beta out earlier, than time wasted on chat.


I wouldn't.

Usually I don't post in SC2 because I no longer play, but this really struck me. I think removing chat channels at the release of beta killed a lot of the social aspect for the entire community - most people played SC2 (including me for a while), but the lack of chat took away a lot of the fun - couldn't go back to BW because there was no one there either. Basically, both ICCup and SC2Bnet felt like empty voids of laddering, which is no fun for me personally. Yes you can have one on one conversations, but is that really optimal for weeks, months, years?
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pat965
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada274 Posts
May 10 2010 01:45 GMT
#84
On May 10 2010 10:39 suejak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2010 10:35 Nytefish wrote:
On May 10 2010 10:11 poingy wrote:
why the heck is it even such a big deal that there's not chat rooms implemented? it's not like you can't talk to multiple people at the same time anyways?

mouse over the right side of one of your 1:1 conversation and click the tab and it pops out a list of people in the conversation... and hit the giant button on top of the list that says "INVITE TO CHAT".


I don't even understand how it's a big deal that channels don't exist in beta when their messenger takes care of almost everything you need already anyways.


Did you ever play on bnet? Channels were so useful for so many things:

1. Meeting random friends of friends or strangers.
2. Gathering place for teams/clans.
3. Place to go when looking for casual 1v1s (like op ToT on europe).
4. Organsing tournaments/events/clan wars/showmatches/competitions/etc.
5. Somewhere to simply idle or chat like an IRC channel.
6. Simply being able to see people rather than stare at some bland menu.

It's just a really important social aspect of the game so chat channels or something similar is simply a requirement for anyone who's not a robot.


7. YELLING LIKE A TOURETTE'S SUFFERER ABOUT THE bURNING, THE BURNNNNING
8. Virtual sex
9. Undirected trash talk
10. TL-like bitching about everything


Honestly can't tell if you're for chat rooms or not, since those reasons aren't really good or bad.
hi
suejak
Profile Joined March 2010
Japan545 Posts
May 10 2010 01:46 GMT
#85
On May 10 2010 10:45 pat965 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2010 10:39 suejak wrote:
On May 10 2010 10:35 Nytefish wrote:
On May 10 2010 10:11 poingy wrote:
why the heck is it even such a big deal that there's not chat rooms implemented? it's not like you can't talk to multiple people at the same time anyways?

mouse over the right side of one of your 1:1 conversation and click the tab and it pops out a list of people in the conversation... and hit the giant button on top of the list that says "INVITE TO CHAT".


I don't even understand how it's a big deal that channels don't exist in beta when their messenger takes care of almost everything you need already anyways.


Did you ever play on bnet? Channels were so useful for so many things:

1. Meeting random friends of friends or strangers.
2. Gathering place for teams/clans.
3. Place to go when looking for casual 1v1s (like op ToT on europe).
4. Organsing tournaments/events/clan wars/showmatches/competitions/etc.
5. Somewhere to simply idle or chat like an IRC channel.
6. Simply being able to see people rather than stare at some bland menu.

It's just a really important social aspect of the game so chat channels or something similar is simply a requirement for anyone who's not a robot.


7. YELLING LIKE A TOURETTE'S SUFFERER ABOUT THE bURNING, THE BURNNNNING
8. Virtual sex
9. Undirected trash talk
10. TL-like bitching about everything


Honestly can't tell if you're for chat rooms or not, since those reasons aren't really good or bad.

No man, I am pro-chat.
Are you human?
etch
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada176 Posts
May 10 2010 01:53 GMT
#86
Blizzard: We've explored what you've asked of us and it seems as though there's a little hiccup. Actually, um...

TL: A hiccup?

Blizzard: Yes, see to implement chat rooms... sir, the technology doesn't actually exist. So it...

TL: Wait, wait, the technology? [gestures towards Brood War] here is the technology! I've asked you to simply make it work for Bnet 2.0.

Blizzard: Yes, sir, and that's what we're trying to do, but... honestly, it's impossible-

TL: UNGOOD WAS ABLE TO BUILD THIS IN A CAVE! WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!
AnodyneSea
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Jamaica757 Posts
May 10 2010 01:55 GMT
#87
On May 10 2010 08:15 Lightwip wrote:
Cool.
Can you make LAN in the map editor now?



ROFL
Lost within the hope of freedom, not for control but in the light of our cause
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
May 10 2010 01:57 GMT
#88
On May 10 2010 10:35 Nytefish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2010 10:11 poingy wrote:
why the heck is it even such a big deal that there's not chat rooms implemented? it's not like you can't talk to multiple people at the same time anyways?

mouse over the right side of one of your 1:1 conversation and click the tab and it pops out a list of people in the conversation... and hit the giant button on top of the list that says "INVITE TO CHAT".


I don't even understand how it's a big deal that channels don't exist in beta when their messenger takes care of almost everything you need already anyways.


Did you ever play on bnet? Channels were so useful for so many things:

1. Meeting random friends of friends or strangers.
2. Gathering place for teams/clans.
3. Place to go when looking for casual 1v1s (like op ToT on europe).
4. Organsing tournaments/events/clan wars/showmatches/competitions/etc.
5. Somewhere to simply idle or chat like an IRC channel.
6. Simply being able to see people rather than stare at some bland menu.

It's just a really important social aspect of the game so chat channels or something similar is simply a requirement for anyone who's not a robot.



Couldn't you just use irc/vent/mumble for all of this? Just playing a little devil's advocate, but I don't see it as a big deal(I rarely used chat in wc3 even before I discovered IRC). I mean I suppose it's better to be there than have nothing, but it's not breaking my heart at the thought of it taking a bit to implement.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
SuperXlax
Profile Joined March 2010
United States197 Posts
May 10 2010 02:13 GMT
#89
So where does DB actually say chat channels won't be at release? Because in this interview he says they're making something better then the broodwar chat channels for B.net 2.0.
Dustin Browder: Well, we're working on the chat channels but the reason they are delayed is that we have something, which we think is much better than what we had in the original games. In the original games the chat channels were used by some of our users but they were largely misused just for spam. It was kind of a mess that they weren't focused on only one particular topic. While we definitely feel the fans sort of enthusiasm to get them back, we don't want those chat channels back. We feel like those chat channels were not a huge success for us and we can do them much better. So we will be looking into chat channels down the road that are more focused on specific topics, that are better organized around different social structures. We could certainly just jam the old channels back in but we didn't feel like those were a huge success for us. But we really want this thing back, just much more interesting than before. So we're definitely working on it and we definitely hear the users' complains, but we think we can do better down the road.


Source: http://starcraft2.ingame.de/sc2cl/?m=article&s=1034&id=102427&p=2
-Valor-
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States283 Posts
May 10 2010 02:14 GMT
#90
Impressive. Seems as if the map editor can do pretty much anything.
Puciek
Profile Joined April 2007
Poland23 Posts
May 10 2010 02:22 GMT
#91
On May 10 2010 11:13 SuperXlax wrote:
So where does DB actually say chat channels won't be at release? Because in this interview he says they're making something better then the broodwar chat channels for B.net 2.0.
Show nested quote +
Dustin Browder: Well, we're working on the chat channels but the reason they are delayed is that we have something, which we think is much better than what we had in the original games. In the original games the chat channels were used by some of our users but they were largely misused just for spam. It was kind of a mess that they weren't focused on only one particular topic. While we definitely feel the fans sort of enthusiasm to get them back, we don't want those chat channels back. We feel like those chat channels were not a huge success for us and we can do them much better. So we will be looking into chat channels down the road that are more focused on specific topics, that are better organized around different social structures. We could certainly just jam the old channels back in but we didn't feel like those were a huge success for us. But we really want this thing back, just much more interesting than before. So we're definitely working on it and we definitely hear the users' complains, but we think we can do better down the road.


Source: http://starcraft2.ingame.de/sc2cl/?m=article&s=1034&id=102427&p=2
He should go for a president, he just gave long speech without actually saying anything. For all we know they can call facebook integration a "better" chat.
Semper ubi sub ubi
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
May 10 2010 02:38 GMT
#92
On May 10 2010 11:13 SuperXlax wrote:
So where does DB actually say chat channels won't be at release? Because in this interview he says they're making something better then the broodwar chat channels for B.net 2.0.
Show nested quote +
Dustin Browder: Well, we're working on the chat channels but the reason they are delayed is that we have something, which we think is much better than what we had in the original games. In the original games the chat channels were used by some of our users but they were largely misused just for spam. It was kind of a mess that they weren't focused on only one particular topic. While we definitely feel the fans sort of enthusiasm to get them back, we don't want those chat channels back. We feel like those chat channels were not a huge success for us and we can do them much better. So we will be looking into chat channels down the road that are more focused on specific topics, that are better organized around different social structures. We could certainly just jam the old channels back in but we didn't feel like those were a huge success for us. But we really want this thing back, just much more interesting than before. So we're definitely working on it and we definitely hear the users' complains, but we think we can do better down the road.


Source: http://starcraft2.ingame.de/sc2cl/?m=article&s=1034&id=102427&p=2


What's more impressive, is the fact that DB, didn't say much he just said "they weren't successful for us", and "we will do better later".

what?
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45691 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-10 02:47:01
May 10 2010 02:46 GMT
#93
On May 10 2010 10:53 etch wrote:
Blizzard: We've explored what you've asked of us and it seems as though there's a little hiccup. Actually, um...

TL: A hiccup?

Blizzard: Yes, see to implement chat rooms... sir, the technology doesn't actually exist. So it...

TL: Wait, wait, the technology? [gestures towards Brood War] here is the technology! I've asked you to simply make it work for Bnet 2.0.

Blizzard: Yes, sir, and that's what we're trying to do, but... honestly, it's impossible-

TL: UNGOOD WAS ABLE TO BUILD THIS IN A CAVE! WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!


LOL and I love Iron Man.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Tomer
Profile Joined June 2009
United States105 Posts
May 10 2010 02:50 GMT
#94
Mr. Ungood, is so good
hellobye
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada82 Posts
May 10 2010 02:51 GMT
#95
On May 10 2010 10:53 etch wrote:
Blizzard: We've explored what you've asked of us and it seems as though there's a little hiccup. Actually, um...

TL: A hiccup?

Blizzard: Yes, see to implement chat rooms... sir, the technology doesn't actually exist. So it...

TL: Wait, wait, the technology? [gestures towards Brood War] here is the technology! I've asked you to simply make it work for Bnet 2.0.

Blizzard: Yes, sir, and that's what we're trying to do, but... honestly, it's impossible-

TL: UNGOOD WAS ABLE TO BUILD THIS IN A CAVE! WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!


Blizzard: but sir, I'm not ungood.
hello... bye...
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
May 10 2010 02:52 GMT
#96
buh buh buh facebook!
starleague forever
Kerotan89
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom51 Posts
May 10 2010 02:54 GMT
#97
I think its disgusting the priorty developers are taking with all there new games coming out just to increase sales or for whatever reason..

Its like we are backtracking on technology and features in games, in 10years time its going to be:

Blizzard: Starcraft 3 - We have come up with a great idea, and that is being able to chat in public rooms in B.Net 3.0! No more pesky IRC channels guys!

Any FPS developer (Mainly the CoD ones) - We have come up with the best idea ever! Now you can host your OWN dedicated servers and can control everything how you want! No more lobby systems!

And theres going to be that tiny guy who squeaks, "Hey, wasnt those features already in SC:BW/WC3/Diablo and Call of Duty, Counterstike?"
Rawr
guitarizt
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1492 Posts
May 10 2010 02:55 GMT
#98
On May 10 2010 08:15 Lightwip wrote:
Cool.
Can you make LAN in the map editor now?


lol. love the layout of the chat it looks great.
“There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.” - Hemingway
omnigol
Profile Joined April 2008
United States166 Posts
May 10 2010 02:57 GMT
#99
I have no idea why blizzard is lying about chat channels I simply want to know why. Do they have some dumb theory about decreasing harassment, or increasing the amount of advertisements, or maybe facebook is paying them money to interface through the game?
ungood
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States75 Posts
May 10 2010 02:57 GMT
#100
On May 10 2010 11:54 Kerotan89 wrote:
And theres going to be that tiny guy who squeaks, "Hey, wasnt those features already in SC:BW/WC3/Diablo and Call of Duty, Counterstike?"


Damn kids these days.
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