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On May 10 2010 11:57 omnigol wrote:
I have no idea why blizzard is lying about chat channels I simply want to know why. Do they have some dumb theory about decreasing harassment, or increasing the amount of advertisements, or maybe facebook is paying them money to interface through the game?
What are they lying about?
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On May 10 2010 11:13 SuperXlax wrote:So where does DB actually say chat channels won't be at release? Because in this interview he says they're making something better then the broodwar chat channels for B.net 2.0. Show nested quote +Dustin Browder: Well, we're working on the chat channels but the reason they are delayed is that we have something, which we think is much better than what we had in the original games. In the original games the chat channels were used by some of our users but they were largely misused just for spam. It was kind of a mess that they weren't focused on only one particular topic. While we definitely feel the fans sort of enthusiasm to get them back, we don't want those chat channels back. We feel like those chat channels were not a huge success for us and we can do them much better. So we will be looking into chat channels down the road that are more focused on specific topics, that are better organized around different social structures. We could certainly just jam the old channels back in but we didn't feel like those were a huge success for us. But we really want this thing back, just much more interesting than before. So we're definitely working on it and we definitely hear the users' complains, but we think we can do better down the road. Source: http://starcraft2.ingame.de/sc2cl/?m=article&s=1034&id=102427&p=2
He says it in the very next answer how could you miss that o_O
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On May 10 2010 12:02 nihlon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2010 11:57 omnigol wrote:
I have no idea why blizzard is lying about chat channels I simply want to know why. Do they have some dumb theory about decreasing harassment, or increasing the amount of advertisements, or maybe facebook is paying them money to interface through the game? What are they lying about?
That they can't put chat channels in before release.
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On May 10 2010 12:04 InRaged wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2010 11:13 SuperXlax wrote:So where does DB actually say chat channels won't be at release? Because in this interview he says they're making something better then the broodwar chat channels for B.net 2.0. Dustin Browder: Well, we're working on the chat channels but the reason they are delayed is that we have something, which we think is much better than what we had in the original games. In the original games the chat channels were used by some of our users but they were largely misused just for spam. It was kind of a mess that they weren't focused on only one particular topic. While we definitely feel the fans sort of enthusiasm to get them back, we don't want those chat channels back. We feel like those chat channels were not a huge success for us and we can do them much better. So we will be looking into chat channels down the road that are more focused on specific topics, that are better organized around different social structures. We could certainly just jam the old channels back in but we didn't feel like those were a huge success for us. But we really want this thing back, just much more interesting than before. So we're definitely working on it and we definitely hear the users' complains, but we think we can do better down the road. Source: http://starcraft2.ingame.de/sc2cl/?m=article&s=1034&id=102427&p=2 He says it in the very next answer how could you miss that o_O
/faceplam
Damn me :[
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On May 10 2010 08:45 Energizer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2010 08:41 Queequeg wrote:
Let's see. You have to go to the lobby to get in the same game, which already has a chat window. You can also quit the lobby. So your only contribution was setting a topic, i.e. modifying the text of a label.
Did you notice that noone can join your little "chat room" after the map was started?
Why is everyone so exited about this, it's completely useless. Because its like giving the middle finger to blizzard when they say it can't be done for release.
*sigh*
What was done here is not what Blizzard wants to do with chat. What was done in Battle.Net 1.0 is not what Blizzard wants to do with chat.
For you, this primitive IRC crap would be sufficient. Blizzard isn't interested in sufficient; that's why they're Blizzard.
The Blizzard version of "chat" will not look like this. And they're not going to implement a half-assed version now, just so that they can rip it out in 6 months to replace it with something better.
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On May 10 2010 10:53 etch wrote:
Blizzard: We've explored what you've asked of us and it seems as though there's a little hiccup. Actually, um...
TL: A hiccup?
Blizzard: Yes, see to implement chat rooms... sir, the technology doesn't actually exist. So it...
TL: Wait, wait, the technology? [gestures towards Brood War] here is the technology! I've asked you to simply make it work for Bnet 2.0.
Blizzard: Yes, sir, and that's what we're trying to do, but... honestly, it's impossible-
TL: UNGOOD WAS ABLE TO BUILD THIS IN A CAVE! WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!
i lol'd hahaha so true, this thread has owned blizzard
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On May 10 2010 12:25 NicolBolas wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2010 08:45 Energizer wrote:On May 10 2010 08:41 Queequeg wrote:
Let's see. You have to go to the lobby to get in the same game, which already has a chat window. You can also quit the lobby. So your only contribution was setting a topic, i.e. modifying the text of a label.
Did you notice that noone can join your little "chat room" after the map was started?
Why is everyone so exited about this, it's completely useless. Because its like giving the middle finger to blizzard when they say it can't be done for release. *sigh* What was done here is not what Blizzard wants to do with chat. What was done in Battle.Net 1.0 is not what Blizzard wants to do with chat. For you, this primitive IRC crap would be sufficient. Blizzard isn't interested in sufficient; that's why they're Blizzard. The Blizzard version of "chat" will not look like this. And they're not going to implement a half-assed version now, just so that they can rip it out in 6 months to replace it with something better.
Well, whatever "super special awesome hyper advanced mega" chat they are concocting, I certainly hope it's not going to take them 6 months to implement it. The current experience is already far too cold and isolated.
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On May 10 2010 12:25 NicolBolas wrote:
*sigh*
What was done here is not what Blizzard wants to do with chat. What was done in Battle.Net 1.0 is not what Blizzard wants to do with chat.
For you, this primitive IRC crap would be sufficient. Blizzard isn't interested in sufficient; that's why they're Blizzard.
The Blizzard version of "chat" will not look like this. And they're not going to implement a half-assed version now, just so that they can rip it out in 6 months to replace it with something better.
You can put as much faith into any brand name you want, even to the point of belittling a basic feature in countless games (including blizzards own games). However please explain to me what features you can possible add to chat channels? Chat interfaces have been around forever what else could they possible add that is new or useful? And how would it ever warrant completely leaving chat channels out?
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On May 10 2010 12:25 NicolBolas wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2010 08:45 Energizer wrote:On May 10 2010 08:41 Queequeg wrote:
Let's see. You have to go to the lobby to get in the same game, which already has a chat window. You can also quit the lobby. So your only contribution was setting a topic, i.e. modifying the text of a label.
Did you notice that noone can join your little "chat room" after the map was started?
Why is everyone so exited about this, it's completely useless. Because its like giving the middle finger to blizzard when they say it can't be done for release. *sigh* What was done here is not what Blizzard wants to do with chat. What was done in Battle.Net 1.0 is not what Blizzard wants to do with chat. For you, this primitive IRC crap would be sufficient. Blizzard isn't interested in sufficient; that's why they're Blizzard. The Blizzard version of "chat" will not look like this. And they're not going to implement a half-assed version now, just so that they can rip it out in 6 months to replace it with something better.
They released a half-assed version of the editor and even used it all these years to make the game so how can you be so sure?
And please, share with us your thoughts on what this outstanding chat is gonna be, cause from all this talking it looks like you and blizzard or up to some kind of revolution in IRC field, no less!
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On May 10 2010 13:15 InRaged wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2010 12:25 NicolBolas wrote:On May 10 2010 08:45 Energizer wrote:On May 10 2010 08:41 Queequeg wrote:
Let's see. You have to go to the lobby to get in the same game, which already has a chat window. You can also quit the lobby. So your only contribution was setting a topic, i.e. modifying the text of a label.
Did you notice that noone can join your little "chat room" after the map was started?
Why is everyone so exited about this, it's completely useless. Because its like giving the middle finger to blizzard when they say it can't be done for release. *sigh* What was done here is not what Blizzard wants to do with chat. What was done in Battle.Net 1.0 is not what Blizzard wants to do with chat. For you, this primitive IRC crap would be sufficient. Blizzard isn't interested in sufficient; that's why they're Blizzard. The Blizzard version of "chat" will not look like this. And they're not going to implement a half-assed version now, just so that they can rip it out in 6 months to replace it with something better. They released a half-assed version of the editor and even used it all these years to make the game so how can you be so sure? And please, share with us your thoughts on what this outstanding chat is gonna be, cause from all this talking it looks like you and blizzard or up to some kind of revolution in IRC field, no less!
How is the editor half-assed?
Why are you getting so angry about this?
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On May 10 2010 13:24 suejak wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2010 13:15 InRaged wrote:On May 10 2010 12:25 NicolBolas wrote:On May 10 2010 08:45 Energizer wrote:On May 10 2010 08:41 Queequeg wrote:
Let's see. You have to go to the lobby to get in the same game, which already has a chat window. You can also quit the lobby. So your only contribution was setting a topic, i.e. modifying the text of a label.
Did you notice that noone can join your little "chat room" after the map was started?
Why is everyone so exited about this, it's completely useless. Because its like giving the middle finger to blizzard when they say it can't be done for release. *sigh* What was done here is not what Blizzard wants to do with chat. What was done in Battle.Net 1.0 is not what Blizzard wants to do with chat. For you, this primitive IRC crap would be sufficient. Blizzard isn't interested in sufficient; that's why they're Blizzard. The Blizzard version of "chat" will not look like this. And they're not going to implement a half-assed version now, just so that they can rip it out in 6 months to replace it with something better. They released a half-assed version of the editor and even used it all these years to make the game so how can you be so sure? And please, share with us your thoughts on what this outstanding chat is gonna be, cause from all this talking it looks like you and blizzard or up to some kind of revolution in IRC field, no less! How is the editor half-assed?
Have you used it?
Anyway, it's offtopic and this guy describes it way better than anyone else could
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=123080
Why are you getting so angry about this?
Err, read the post I quoted and tell me who's actually angry here lol
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They dont have chat because the original chat mechanism was broken. they are working on a better solution that will not be available at launch. The game is young.
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On May 10 2010 10:53 etch wrote:
Blizzard: We've explored what you've asked of us and it seems as though there's a little hiccup. Actually, um...
TL: A hiccup?
Blizzard: Yes, see to implement chat rooms... sir, the technology doesn't actually exist. So it...
TL: Wait, wait, the technology? [gestures towards Brood War] here is the technology! I've asked you to simply make it work for Bnet 2.0.
Blizzard: Yes, sir, and that's what we're trying to do, but... honestly, it's impossible-
TL: UNGOOD WAS ABLE TO BUILD THIS IN A CAVE! WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!
You are my hero. Only thing you forgot
Blizzard: Well sir, im not Ungood.
Can someone explain how
no chat > Temporary chat that is later improved in patch
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They're probably trying to cut down on MATURE content through chat rooms, and the illegal activities that take place within. Make it more family orientated with the new graphics, 'drug use' and violence. LOL.
So let's cut out chat rooms to solve that problem. Or at least that was blizz's idea
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On May 10 2010 08:15 Lightwip wrote:
Cool.
Can you make LAN in the map editor now?
hahaha this please hahaha
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I understand the worry for bots, but aren't they making it so 1 account per cd key? If that's the case, then the chatroom bots wouldn't be an issue, rather, it would be their banning system and/or their key generators, not the chat rooms themselves.. I don't understand Blizzard's laziness and their inability to give the consumers what they want, meanwhile, they work on Facebook integration because they'll get more money now... sigh just greed.
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Has anyone proposed a chat channel system similar to that on iccup to blizzard. The original chat channels on battle.net sucked but once you add in all the commands that iccup chat channels implement they have a much larger degree of functionality. I am not suggesting iccup-style chat channels as a final product, but perhaps blizzard could build on the functionality the iccup staff used, so that we could have a more organized chat channel in bnet 2.0....Browder's main complaints seem to be that they are disorganized and used for spam, and these are pathetic. Anyone can write code to stop spam, simply by counting the lines of consecutive text posted, the number of new accounts joining the channel and posting chat lines, and the repetitiveness of the posts. As for disorganization, iccup's design deals with much of that with its additional command features, and blizzard should easily be able to do something to Browder's liking....
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I got such a laugh out of the OP. Excellent xD
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I think Blizzard could collaborate with the Chinese government and come up with some kind of great firewall tailored for BN2.0, you know, censorship and language filtering and all that, to ensure the sanctity of the chatting environment.
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On May 10 2010 13:15 InRaged wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2010 12:25 NicolBolas wrote:On May 10 2010 08:45 Energizer wrote:On May 10 2010 08:41 Queequeg wrote:
Let's see. You have to go to the lobby to get in the same game, which already has a chat window. You can also quit the lobby. So your only contribution was setting a topic, i.e. modifying the text of a label.
Did you notice that noone can join your little "chat room" after the map was started?
Why is everyone so exited about this, it's completely useless. Because its like giving the middle finger to blizzard when they say it can't be done for release. *sigh* What was done here is not what Blizzard wants to do with chat. What was done in Battle.Net 1.0 is not what Blizzard wants to do with chat. For you, this primitive IRC crap would be sufficient. Blizzard isn't interested in sufficient; that's why they're Blizzard. The Blizzard version of "chat" will not look like this. And they're not going to implement a half-assed version now, just so that they can rip it out in 6 months to replace it with something better. They released a half-assed version of the editor and even used it all these years to make the game so how can you be so sure?
Half-assed? Didn't someone just make a chat room out of an RTS's map editor in a couple of hours?
I'm pretty sure Blizzard used 3 entire asses in this editor 
As Han Solo once said, "She may not look like much, but she's got it where it counts."
On May 10 2010 13:15 InRaged wrote:
And please, share with us your thoughts on what this outstanding chat is gonna be, cause from all this talking it looks like you and blizzard or up to some kind of revolution in IRC field, no less!
I don't know. I don't even know that it will be "outstanding" by any particular standard. However, they have said on several occasions that they don't want to do B.Net 1.0 style chat.
On May 10 2010 13:37 Archerofaiur wrote:
Can someone explain how
no chat > Temporary chat that is later improved in patch
Simple: programmer time, especially towards the end of a product's development, is very important. The term "Beta" usually refers to a feature freeze; it is supposed to be the point in development when you stop adding features so that your programmers can spend time fixing bugs to ship the game.
Chat is a feature. Implementing, debugging, and shipping chat would require programmer time that probably doesn't exist at Blizzard right now. Thus, implementing it would have to come from somewhere else. So where is it going to come from?
Show nested quote +On May 10 2010 13:52 Rickilicious wrote:
I understand the worry for bots, but aren't they making it so 1 account per cd key? If that's the case, then the chatroom bots wouldn't be an issue, rather, it would be their banning system and/or their key generators, not the chat rooms themselves.. I don't understand Blizzard's laziness and their inability to give the consumers what they want, meanwhile, they work on Facebook integration because they'll get more money now... sigh just greed.
Do you speak for all of Blizzard's customers? Do you know that they want chat more than Facebook integration?
Personally, I don't care for either. I find "chat" to be the lowest form of human-to-human communication, and I have nothing but scorn for Facebook and that sort of crap. However, Facebook is quite popular, particularly with younger players. I imagine that Facebook integration is more important to them than chat.
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