EPTPatch 11-Phoenix:Did Blizz Fix Anything? - Page 4
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MasterFwiffo
United States97 Posts
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MidKnight
Lithuania884 Posts
You don't even need to attack move, you just..move and they do damage.. It's really nice that Blizzard is taking note of what TL.net is saying, but they missed the point COMPLETELY.. As Jinro was saying, what players meant was ANIMATION CANCELLING | ||
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Thrasymachus725
Canada527 Posts
why does the phonix even look like an airplane with wings if it flies same speed to all directions, makes 0 sense what so ever Why is it shooting aliens in space? Why to Mutalisks flap their wings in space? Why are Terrans crazy rednecks with advanced futuristic technology inhabiting a ton of planets in the galaxy while fighting off hoards of aliens? Cuz it looks cool! | ||
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mahnini
United States6862 Posts
On May 07 2010 06:22 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: People are overreacting. This looks like still takes a lot of clicking since phoenix' don't fly at the same speed as other units nor will other units follow blindly. The only thing that's missing is using keyboard keys for it but that's pretty much the easiest part of micro anyway, the constant clicking will probably keep people busy anyways. At the very least give it a shot in some real games see if it's that easy. If it's so easy it's overpowered I'm sure Blizzard will change it, but I doubt that's the case because phoenix is not a core unit but a counter unit it will never dictate games due to it countering stronger. the biggest problem with it i think it removing the necessity to turn around and fire which ends up giving the phoenix absolutely no decel. it's literally firing while moving. granted, you achieve similar affect in bw with mutas but it required a lot more apm and precision and mutas still had to move back or slow down when firing backwards. | ||
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GogoKodo
Canada1785 Posts
Did they give the Phoenix a passive ability that explains that they are able to move and shoot? Regardless of whether this is good/bad/great/horrible they should have a passive ability icon like hardened shields for Immortals to explain their ability. | ||
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
On May 07 2010 06:32 Zanez.smarty wrote: Why is it shooting aliens in space? Why to Mutalisks flap their wings in space? Why are Terrans crazy rednecks with advanced futuristic technology inhabiting a ton of planets in the galaxy while fighting off hoards of aliens? Cuz it looks cool! weve been over this logic and sense r different things. we dont want zerglings with machine guns but we do want zerglings with claws. grow up man dont tell me phonixes flying backwards with same speed of muta circling around its own speed with 100% corrected line is cool. its ridiculous | ||
snowdrift
France2061 Posts
On May 07 2010 06:31 Zeke50100 wrote: Honestly, I agree with Nazgul. People seem to really want SC1-style moving shot only because they have to push more buttons. Sure, let's purposefully inhibit the new, more powerful engine just so you have something to waste your time microing your units in a game where macro has become more important. Waste your time microing? Why do you even play the game? Microing is fun. And might as well automate every unit's behavior so as to not "inhibit" the engine. | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On May 07 2010 06:32 mahnini wrote: the biggest problem with it i think it removing the necessity to turn around and fire which ends up giving the phoenix absolutely no decel. it's literally firing while moving. granted, you achieve similar affect in bw with mutas but it required a lot more apm and precision and mutas still had to move back or slow down when firing backwards. Why is this such a big problem? What you describe is essentially a phoenix buff because they will move across the map faster. Did flying across the map with with a-move to hunt for overlords with your patch 10 phoenix require more micro than this? No. What we see here is micro that is less intensive than SC:BW micro, but more/equally intensive than SC2 patch 11 micro so why is everyone so upset just because it mechanically looks different from what we're used to? | ||
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palanq
United States761 Posts
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Dr.Frost
United States389 Posts
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bongjwa
United States199 Posts
all these mods and people flipping out is hilarious | ||
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GogoKodo
Canada1785 Posts
On May 07 2010 06:34 floor exercise wrote: Pretending like the fact that the phoenix is the fastest air unit in the game is somehow a downside to it auto attacking while moving is really, really funny. It's a two sided deal though as Nazgul has already explained, if you care to bring up a real counterpoint to that then do so. | ||
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RotterdaM
Netherlands684 Posts
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GogoKodo
Canada1785 Posts
On May 07 2010 06:38 RotterdaM wrote: I mean if people like this imagine more units get this, what will become of this game lol, sure I'd enjoy my stalkers running backwards and shooting down everything that chases them with just 1 click but how does this benefit the game ;D 65 apm seems more and more suitable to play sc II on a high lvl ;() No, you can't do that. You can't just take things to the extreme, you lose your point. Example. LOL hardened shield, so broken if you make all shields work like that. | ||
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aka_star
United Kingdom1546 Posts
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MidKnight
Lithuania884 Posts
On May 07 2010 06:36 bongjwa wrote: guys blizzard fucking knows what the difference between a moving shot is and what moving while shooting is. they know way more than you ever will about the game. they are trying something new, giving the phoenix the terran cobra's mechanics, and seeing what happens. all these mods and people flipping out is hilarious It is an interesting mechanic, I agree, but what saddens me is the possibility that Blizzard COMPLETELY missed the point of Lalush's topic about shooting while moving. Unless they are completely against the idea that people with more APM should be able to make their units A LOT more cost efficient (JD's muta is like 3 times more valuable compared to my muta, for example, just because of the way JD can micro it) and just didn't want to add that "buggy" animation cancelling back.. The way phoenix shoots now doesn't require that much micro at all.. You just spam move command and..That's it. Even the biggest newb can do it. Granted, you still need to multitask and you can't just overly focus on this micro, but it's unbelievably easy to do, unlike in BW | ||
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TrueIsAwesome
Finland160 Posts
On May 07 2010 06:22 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: People are overreacting. This looks like still takes a lot of clicking since phoenix' don't fly at the same speed as other units nor will other units follow blindly. The only thing that's missing is using keyboard keys for it but that's pretty much the easiest part of micro anyway, the constant clicking will probably keep people busy anyways. At the very least give it a shot in some real games see if it's that easy. If it's so easy it's overpowered I'm sure Blizzard will change it, but I doubt that's the case because phoenix is not a core unit but a counter unit it will never dictate games due to it countering stronger. I'd say the massive reaction to this is due to the change affecting mid-level play the most; It requires far less APM than (ugh, i hate to do this) SC1 so it's easier to macro while controlling your phoenix. In high level games this does not matter, since people compensate by being fucking godly with their control. However, i do predict a nerf for the phoenix in the future, so that phoenix will deal less DPS and act as a, excuse the expression, a bee flying around and annoying the fuck out of you. A bee that is hard to catch and damage, but very easy for the P to control while doing other stuff. | ||
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mahnini
United States6862 Posts
On May 07 2010 06:35 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Why is this such a big problem? What you describe is essentially a phoenix buff because they will move across the map faster. Did flying across the map with with a-move to hunt for overlords with your patch 10 phoenix require more micro than this? No. What we see here is micro that is less intensive than SC:BW micro, but more/equally intensive than SC2 patch 11 micro so why is everyone so upset just because it mechanically looks different from what we're used to? the fact that they can do this without decel makes mutas dead in the water, so to speak. i suppose the situation could be analogous with muta vs scourge in bw. if mutas in bw had a moving shot like phoenix scourge would not be effective at all. in sc2 phoenix have more range and are faster than mutas, factor in moving attack and they are practically untouchable with minimal micro. | ||
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Thrasymachus725
Canada527 Posts
weve been over this logic and sense r different things. we dont want zerglings with machine guns but we do want zerglings with claws. grow up man dont tell me phonixes flying backwards with same speed of muta circling around its own speed with 100% corrected line is cool. its ridiculous The funny thing about "Cool", is that it is a subjective term. I find it cool. I find the Phoenixes look cool as a unit, I find that the unit looks cool while flying sideways and backwards. I find the Phoenix cool. | ||
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