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Narayan
Canada80 Posts
Agreed.. I'm surprised there wasn't any VR changes or more Zerg buffs... seem like they got nerfed more then buffed/changed for the better. Ultras are still never going to be used, broodlords are easier to kill and now their turrents aren't as mobile as they were...  | ||
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ZenDeX
Philippines2916 Posts
On May 07 2010 06:14 FrozenArbiter wrote: Someone please tell Blizzard that when we say moving shoot, we really mean Animation Cancelling. I am worried that they would think something similar to the Colossus wherein the attack itself is cancelled. | ||
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Novembermike
United States102 Posts
Do they really hard counter anything that outranges them? | ||
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Zeke50100
United States2220 Posts
Phoenix has 1 range more than Mutas, as well as a faster movement speed. This means you DO have to turn around to attack Mutas, which means you have to get closer. If you can PERFECTLY measure out 1 matrix and the distance that both your Phoenixes and the enemy Mutas will move in the short time you right click behind the Phoenixes, you'd be able to SC1 Move Shot anyways. | ||
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Lazix
Australia378 Posts
On May 07 2010 06:14 FrozenArbiter wrote: Someone please tell Blizzard that when we say moving shoot, we really mean Animation Cancelling. ooh... I can't wait to see how this gets misinterpreted. | ||
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ZenDeX
Philippines2916 Posts
On May 07 2010 06:16 Zeke50100 wrote: Did you know that you still need to micro your Phoenixes if you want them DOING something, rather than just flying around with Mutas chasing it endlessly? Phoenix has 1 range more than Mutas, as well as a faster movement speed. This means you DO have to turn around to attack Mutas, which means you have to get closer. If you can PERFECTLY measure out 1 matrix and the distance that both your Phoenixes and the enemy Mutas will move in the short time you right click behind the Phoenixes, you'd be able to SC1 Move Shot anyways. OR you can just tell your Phoenixes to fly past the Mutas. | ||
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Bosu
United States3247 Posts
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Captain Peabody
United States3111 Posts
They might be marginally stronger against Battlecruisers, but they'll still do terrible damage against them and get shredded by Marines. But, yeah, they'll be a lot stronger versus Mutalisks, and also stronger versus Corruptors. Which isn't really a bad thing in my book. | ||
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ZenDeX
Philippines2916 Posts
On May 07 2010 06:16 Lazix wrote: ooh... I can't wait to see how this gets misinterpreted. Blizzard: "What? Oh! You mean like what the Colossus does? Fine." | ||
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Mellotron
United States329 Posts
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Husky
United States3362 Posts
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InRaged
1047 Posts
On May 07 2010 06:11 Captain Peabody wrote: It still requires micro, moving and dancing around to stay away from the Mutas. Just micro of a slightly different sort, that's all (you know, since it's a different game?). If it's overpowered, Blizzard can just nerf the Phoenixes range or speed. I mean, it's not like Corsair micro in SC1 required that much micro to use effectively anyway. Nony himself said that the hard thing about Corsair micro was the multi-tasking, not the actual micro. People are realllllly overreacting to this change... People aren't overreacting! I, for one, afraid that they leave this mechanic and call it a deal without looking into other units that could benefit from it. And besides, you can't properly focus fire while "microing" phoenix now. All what they needed to do is to make air and hovering (vulture, archon and workers are hovering in BW, don't know about SC2) units attack before decelerating and that would make ALL air units more fun to micro. Right now they just put lame work around for one unit instead of fixing it globally. If it so challenging for their programmers to change order of attacking and decelerating that they need horrible work around for it, then they should be fucking ashamed of themselves and quit the job, cause that's just ludicrous. On May 07 2010 06:17 Bosu wrote: It might be too easy, but I think it looks fucking awesome. If it worked as people want it, it would look just as awesome AND impressive at the same time, dude. | ||
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Captain Peabody
United States3111 Posts
OR you can just tell your Phoenixes to fly past the Mutas. Well, sure, so long as the Mutas are sitting perfectly still staring at the sky and twiddling their thumbs. Face it: this change increases micro, and it makes a cool unit even more awesome. If it's overpowered, then they can nerf the Phoenix, but people need to stop complaining about stuff they don't understand. | ||
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Husky
United States3362 Posts
I dont know what it means for balance, but just watch it, hahahah | ||
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Captain Peabody
United States3111 Posts
People aren't overreacting! I, for one, afraid that they leave this mechanic and call it a deal without looking into other units that could benefit from it. And besides, you can't properly focus fire while "microing" phoenix now. So when you want to focus fire, stop and shoot. This introduces a tradeoff whenever you use the auto-shoot function...do I stop and focus fire, or do I trust my range and speed to do the job for me? The optimal choice will be different depending on the unit you're facing. | ||
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IndecisivePenguin
United States771 Posts
On May 07 2010 06:20 HuskyTheHusky wrote: Am I the only one laughing hysterically at that video? Its seriously so funny. I dont know what it means for balance, but just watch it, hahahah The phoenixes look 10x more bamf than they did before, shooting backwards and all haha. I wouldn't mind the change if it was a little more difficult to execute. I'd say attack or patrol needs to be used in combination of some sort. | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
If it's so easy it's overpowered I'm sure Blizzard will change it, but I doubt that's the case because phoenix is not a core unit but a counter unit it will never dictate games due to it countering stronger. | ||
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B08
37 Posts
Indeed lolz | ||
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
On May 07 2010 06:14 FrozenArbiter wrote: Someone please tell Blizzard that when we say moving shoot, we really mean Animation Cancelling. u mean hunting targets without losing speed? like corsairs vs muta? i really find this new "automicro" ridiculous, first mothership and voidray but now this... at least make them spam between attack and move imo btw guys,only discuss the phoenix here. the other units u discuss here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=123913 | ||
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RotterdaM
Netherlands684 Posts
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