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I'd like to take a quick survey of the community to see where most players stand in terms of average APM. When I say average APM, I mean your average from game start to game finish using SC2's built in APM meter.
Please try to be as accurate as possible, and vote in your respective league. The goal of this is to see how much in game skill correlates to APM in Starcraft 2, and to gauge the overall APM of the community.
Platinum League
+ Show Spoiler +Poll: Platinum League61-90 (116) 27% 91-120 (95) 22% 121-150 (63) 15% 1-30 (39) 9% 151-180 (35) 8% 31-60 (28) 7% 330+ (23) 5% 181-210 (13) 3% 211-240 (9) 2% 241-270 (3) 1% 301-330 (3) 1% 271-300 (1) 0% 428 total votes Your vote: Platinum League (Vote): 1-30
(Vote): 31-60
(Vote): 61-90
(Vote): 91-120
(Vote): 121-150
(Vote): 151-180
(Vote): 181-210
(Vote): 211-240
(Vote): 241-270
(Vote): 271-300
(Vote): 301-330
(Vote): 330+
Gold League
+ Show Spoiler +Poll: Gold League61-90 (51) 33% 91-120 (36) 23% 31-60 (33) 21% 1-30 (8) 5% 121-150 (8) 5% 151-180 (7) 5% 181-210 (5) 3% 330+ (5) 3% 211-240 (1) 1% 241-270 (1) 1% 271-300 (0) 0% 301-330 (0) 0% 155 total votes Your vote: Gold League (Vote): 1-30
(Vote): 31-60
(Vote): 61-90
(Vote): 91-120
(Vote): 121-150
(Vote): 151-180
(Vote): 181-210
(Vote): 211-240
(Vote): 241-270
(Vote): 271-300
(Vote): 301-330
(Vote): 330+
Silver League
+ Show Spoiler +Poll: Silver League31-60 (39) 36% 61-90 (30) 28% 91-120 (13) 12% 1-30 (8) 7% 330+ (6) 6% 121-150 (5) 5% 151-180 (2) 2% 181-210 (2) 2% 271-300 (2) 2% 211-240 (1) 1% 241-270 (1) 1% 301-330 (0) 0% 109 total votes Your vote: Silver League (Vote): 1-30
(Vote): 31-60
(Vote): 61-90
(Vote): 91-120
(Vote): 121-150
(Vote): 151-180
(Vote): 181-210
(Vote): 211-240
(Vote): 241-270
(Vote): 271-300
(Vote): 301-330
(Vote): 330+
Bronze League
+ Show Spoiler +Poll: Bronze League31-60 (47) 47% 61-90 (20) 20% 330+ (12) 12% 91-120 (11) 11% 1-30 (6) 6% 121-150 (3) 3% 181-210 (1) 1% 241-270 (1) 1% 151-180 (0) 0% 211-240 (0) 0% 271-300 (0) 0% 301-330 (0) 0% 101 total votes Your vote: Bronze League (Vote): 1-30
(Vote): 31-60
(Vote): 61-90
(Vote): 91-120
(Vote): 121-150
(Vote): 151-180
(Vote): 181-210
(Vote): 211-240
(Vote): 241-270
(Vote): 271-300
(Vote): 301-330
(Vote): 330+
Copper League
+ Show Spoiler +Poll: Copper League330+ (127) 83% 31-60 (12) 8% 1-30 (6) 4% 61-90 (3) 2% 301-330 (3) 2% 91-120 (1) 1% 271-300 (1) 1% 121-150 (0) 0% 151-180 (0) 0% 181-210 (0) 0% 211-240 (0) 0% 241-270 (0) 0% 153 total votes Your vote: Copper League (Vote): 1-30
(Vote): 31-60
(Vote): 61-90
(Vote): 91-120
(Vote): 121-150
(Vote): 151-180
(Vote): 181-210
(Vote): 211-240
(Vote): 241-270
(Vote): 271-300
(Vote): 301-330
(Vote): 330+
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Poll: Do you spam random clicks to keep your APM high?no (427) 72% yes (167) 28% 594 total votes Your vote: Do you spam random clicks to keep your APM high? (Vote): yes
(Vote): no
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Feel free to post in the thread with more details.
I was last ranked in the gold league before reset. I didn't get around to playing many games because of time constraints but I average 200 apm playing zerg. If I could play more, I believe my true rank would be somewhere around top 20-30 platinum
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See most videos of pros and shit all i see is random clicking for no reason to do nothing ... to be like weeee my apm is 300 and 150 of things of use lol.
145 avg to ,,,,
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On April 23 2010 08:56 Black Octopi wrote:Poll: Do you spam random clicks to keep your APM high?no (427) 72% yes (167) 28% 594 total votes Your vote: Do you spam random clicks to keep your APM high? (Vote): yes
(Vote): no
I think most players spam in the beginning to stay warmed up and alert. Besides that, spamming in the beginning or not makes little difference to your average APM once the game ends. (maybe give or take 5-10)
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I've seen replays in which a 150+ APM player gets absolutely rolled by a 30-50, in plat. I honestly don't understand the counter system. It really has nothing to do with the number, so much as how you use it. You'll have people that just jump back and forth berween hotkeys, keeping their APM high, yet when they get harassed they freak out and totally lose control of the game.
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On April 23 2010 09:00 HDstarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2010 08:56 Black Octopi wrote:Poll: Do you spam random clicks to keep your APM high?no (427) 72% yes (167) 28% 594 total votes Your vote: Do you spam random clicks to keep your APM high? (Vote): yes
(Vote): no
I think most players spam in the beginning to stay warmed up and alert. Besides that, spamming in the beginning or not makes little difference to your average APM once the game ends. (maybe give or take 5-10)
meh you see it in late game to click for no reason on nothing
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People aren't spamming? Most people are under 180 apm?
was that true in bw as well?
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Really theres no reason to have above 150 apm in this game. You can reach maxium effectiveness in the 150-175 apm range.
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I averaged in the 40s in Silver. I never spam, but also don't have the multi tasking ability that I would like.
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On April 23 2010 09:01 StaticKinetics wrote:
I've seen replays in which a 150+ APM player gets absolutely rolled by a 30-50, in plat. I honestly don't understand the counter system. It really has nothing to do with the number, so much as how you use it. You'll have people that just jump back and forth berween hotkeys, keeping their APM high, yet when they get harassed they freak out and totally lose control of the game.
this
i've been encountering this since wc3 (i didn't play bw). i don't weight APM too highly.
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dude, a 330+ APM guy in copper! Awesome!
On topic. I don't really see how you can go over 200 APM. In SCBW, I have a bit over 200 APM at best, and there's a lot of things that I know I could have done if I could click faster. Now I can do absolutely everything with less than 200 APM.
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platinum league 90 i dont spam. i also think 90-100 is all you need to be amazing in sc2. you do not need higher apm even at higher levels imo. its all spamming beyond that thats all im saying. Cause i have also seen 300 apm et owned by 90 many times.
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There is no option for Over 9000.
Don't Lucifron and Demuslim play at sub 100.
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I was ranked 2 platinum, over 1600 points, and only had about 60-90 true APM.
My average was more 121-150 due to massive APM click-whoring ^^
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yea big i think terran also has on avg less apm then then the races
oops meant to answer willness lol.
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I am usually between 40-50, Bronze league. I've been trying to improve, but it's slow and steady. Can any pro's make me feel better by saying that you had low APM when you started playing StarCraft?
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grrr not another APM thread...it doesn't really make much difference, but I'm going to go ahead and guess that once the game gets popular and properly established, most players will have 200 minimum and most will end up in the 300 range, kind of like what happened in war3 towards the end.
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I average about 100 APM, but I have peaks over 200 in battles, so I'd say my micro is sufficient for someone who isn't a pro-gamer. More importantly if you control your units the right way high APM doesn't necessarily improve what you're doing.
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this is apm that the replay shows rather than real apm?
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Most APM is going to be the result of right clicking units too many times, not gosu micromanagement or anything.
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Think of the rate at which you click to be the refresh rate of your brain. If you're not clicking mindlessly, the spam clicks are due to the player's actions being on hold due to need to scout or repositioning of army.
I typically see spam clicks from good players when they are extremely apprehensive and ready to react.
i.e: you're scouting with a worker, as soon as u see tech u need to reposition your army, throw down the right tech/production buildings/macro and keep up harass to delay the tech you are not prepared for.
There are periods of the game you can play at 70 apm, but I don't think you can be successful without the capability of maintaining 120 useful apm.
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Copper league 10+ votes for 300+? LOL.
I think mine is around 100-150 ish.
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whoa copper players so fast
i'm still not quite sure how this translates from bw and stuff. bw i had 200~ apm, 100~ eapm (but eapm is going up at a consistent rate), while sc2 i have like 128~ apm. i doubt that my eapm is 64 though.. or is it?
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On April 23 2010 09:22 willeesmalls wrote:
Think of the rate at which you click to be the refresh rate of your brain. If you're not clicking mindlessly, the spam clicks are due to the player's actions being on hold due to need to scout or repositioning of army.
brains aren't monitors
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I checked 330+ APM but it's probably closer to 20-30
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LOL, copper league is at 330+ according to this poll. The rest of the league polls though seem to be pretty much spot on from what I've seen.
I'm in silver or was before reset, and average 50-60 APM, and of course I burst/peak higher at times.
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I am Plat and have about 135ish APM and I know it is higher than that but I don't spam magic box early game like most players do so I average around 30-45 apm early game and put it towards adjusting workers in most efficient mineral patches. That causes my overall APM to be lower so i'd say for the majority of the game its around 150.
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While there is definitely a use for 300+ apm in sc2, I think most players right now don't know what to do with that apm. 99% of people, even at the highest levels, are worried about executing their build, countering what they see, and determining when to attack and how to do it. In BW people made broad scale decisions because the game was refined to a point where you could go on autopilot and play with mindboggling speed. Even if someone has 300 apm right now it's probably going to waste. RIght now I'd be much more concerned with learning everything about the game rather than playing it faster.
Of course higher apm definitely is required to play at a higher level, but at the moment I think even 100 SC2 apm (whatever that actually corresponds to in real time) is enough to execute solid play.
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Isn't the APM calculated by the "normal" speed? I'm pretty sure that's the case unless my APMs in SC2 suck compared to what they were in SC1.
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Yea, apm is lowball compared to BW numbers, it's just calc'd diffirently now.
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100 APM average seems fine. In spikes, you macro very quickly with APM that could be in the 200-300 range, ex:
1 - hotkey for queen
2 - hotkey for queen again to center view at base
3 - hotkey for larva
4 - click on hatchery
5 - hotkey for hatchery
6-11 - Make 5 hydras with your fresh larva
12 - hotkey for your army
13 - hotkey for your army again to center it
that's 13 actions, that could happen during a battle so if you get it done in like 3 seconds... thats like 240~apm, and that high of an APM just netted you faster macro for faster replacements to the hydras that youre going to lose in your current battle, in addition to losing less hydras on top of that because you're able to go back to microing your hydras and focus firing instead of a+clicking because you spent less time at base and more time on the field.
the other two scenarios are: don't macro/micro, lose hydras and have none to replace and a ton of larva and a ton of energy on your queen -- micro, lose less hydras but have no replacements in time, or macro slowly, and lose lots of hydras because of some dumb pathing you didn't notice since you were in your base or something.
this is all obvious for experienced players, but just spelling it out in case some novice reads this.
edit -- alternatively, when you're not in a battle, you only have so much macro to do because you have resources that limit production, so your macro here gets spend on army positioning and scouting, which usually is NOT going to take 240+ APM for long periods of time. imo, APM is all about very very short spikes, not consistently spamming 1234 control groups or right click to passively be at an inefficient 300 the entire game so that when someone insults your macro/micro after you post the replay you can fall back on "stfu i have 300 apm, post a replay i bet you have 100 apm." ~__~
edit2 -- that's not to say that in the mid/late game you could have a lot of things you need to do that will net you a high APM for more than just a few seconds. i'm just saying that i don't think you'll ever be at 350 apm for like 30 seconds and have anywhere close to even 75% efficiency.
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~100 APM Gold League.
No useless clicking.
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I haven't played any leagues yet, only against the computer (practicing builds, getting to know the tech) and a few in the placement league, and I have around 60-70 with no spamming.
Honestly, I have NO idea how I rank skill-wise compared to other people yet, I'm kinda nervous haha. I only played some sc1, no iccup, (while watching a lot of pro games for the past 2 years) but mainly i've been a warcraft3 player.
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damn, them copper leagues are super fast.
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i wonder how many copper leagues there are, if there are 64+ plat leagues...
i like how the top league has 6400 players X), in wc3 the entire ladder was only 1000.
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I average around 200 in sc2 according to the in-game counter (and that's based on fast rather than faster right?), and yeah I spam at the beginning. I usually don't spam mid/lategame tho unless I do it without even thinking about it.
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On April 23 2010 09:59 Vei wrote:
i wonder how many copper leagues there are, if there are 64+ plat leagues...
i like how the top league has 6400 players X), in wc3 the entire ladder was only 1000.
I tried just for fucks sake to lose all my games during the reset spam, and i got in to copper division 187
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hmm that's weird, i would have assumed plat would be more exclusive =O but it does have 4 other divisions that buffer it.
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Hahaha I love how Copper league players are all over 300+ APM
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Would be alot more skill to be good and have a very low APM.... IMO
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I average around 130 apm in silver, mostly from lots of Wc3. Still relatively inexperienced for SC2 but the apm carried over.
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Gold league here and APM is anywhere from 100-150.
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copper league looks pretty accurate ;P
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Dang copper league is freaking pro.
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Only takes 50 APM to 3 rax timing push =P. Which won me about 60% of games in plat.
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If I spam to warm up, I usually average just under 150 over the course of the game and I've noticed that my APM tends to spike higher during battles early on if I spammed at the beginning as if it actually does warm me up. Can't prove it, but I certainly feel a lot faster. If I just sit on my hands with my free time at the beginning, I usually average around 90ish or so. I'm honestly quite proud of my APM; I didn't even know what APM was until I started watching VoDs and stuff while I hoped for a beta invite. I was never a competitive SC1 player, nor even played it often. When I first started in the beta my APM was like 25 because I just didn't know what I should have been doing that required me to click more often.
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To everyone saying you don't need more than 150-175 APM to be good at SC2 you have to realize that this is only the beginning of SC2's legacy.
When BW first came out people only needed like 120-150 apm to be competitive. But now look at the Korean pro scene. Any competent Korea progamer has at least 250+ APM, while the truly top gamers have around 300 APM. The more APM you have, the more stuff you can do. Period.
Now, the better you are, the better the "stuff" that you can do will be. For those copper league scrubs with 330+ APM the "stuff" they're doing is probably just random spam. For platinum or progamers, the 150+ APM is measure actions that serve a purpose.
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Around 100. I do spam a lot in the beginning which gives me an average of 200+ but it goes down to 130-120 for the rest of the game.
I ranked in plat in the last reset and was top gold before that.
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On April 23 2010 10:18 btlyger wrote:
Dang copper league is freaking pro.
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90% of that poll is all lies.
Coppers with 300+...
I have yet to see anyone with 300+ with the in-game apm counter.
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When I watch my replays, usually shows 40-60 average by the end. I usually average like 10-15 APM for first 2-3 minutes unless I start right clicking a few extra times with my scout.
I generally try to limit my unnecessary mouse clicks so I don't annoy other people around me. My mouse makes a kind of loud clicking noise which gets bad if I'm hitting it 2-3 times a second.. Oh and this is for gold league.
I tried APM spamming one game when no one was around, and felt like I was breaking my mouse (pretty low quality mouse)! Oh well :p.
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Big surprise that copper players are also the biggest trolls.. lol
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i'm usually 110-130 apm in plat 1v1, i play zerg and i need to really multitask hard late game to keep up with macro. And i dont really apm whore spam at the start.. it's a steady amount through the entire game
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Man, stop talking about the copper poll. OP made it so that you can vote in every poll, so after people vote for real, they just vote 300+ in the copper poll.
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I love copper players utterly
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Average something like 50~ apm, Rank 5 in Platinum (16-4). Low apm is partly due to the fact that my computer is TERRIBLE and simply can't keep up with my mouse if I spam clicks (will just lag out, not display mouse, etc.)
Another reason is due to the fact everyone rolled over and died to 3 warpgate a-move rush lol.
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the poll is still valid for copper, the results show that they don't know what apm is
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Gold league -- 90 to 100apm typically
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about 90 in bronze, though i was playing gold people mostly.
I still dont feel comfortable with the game at all yet, so i feel the number will go up quite a bit once i get the age of empires 2 stuff out of my head and the SC2 stuff into it.
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63 APM last time I checked (a while ago), currently rank ~55 Platinum.
Might be higher, but I like the idea of lowballing this survey.
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Im around 50 APM. And I am a plat player. So go figure. When I spam click i seem to lose focus and concentration so i just dont do it.
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Plat, about 150 apm.
LOL at the copper poll.
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I can't get the built in apm counter over 95 average... In sc:bw I used to have like 120-130 with average peaks of 150 when I used to play excessively. In wc3 I rarely got over 120-130 either.
in sc2 I have less than 40 for the first 3-5 minutes depending on the my and my opponents' builts.
e: yeah I'm mid-high plat player. Due to countless resets I wasn't able to try to climb any further.
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i saw some games where the APM spikes up to like 400-500 on korean players. like seriously whats the point of getting to 500?
i'm sure 400-500 wont make much of a diff?
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150-250, I'm a macro whore so mostly from cycling through hotkeys to make sure everything is building at all times
Plat league 1s and 2s
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On April 23 2010 10:26 Senx wrote:
Big surprise that copper players are also the biggest trolls.. lol
big surprise you're dumb enough to assume people voting that option are actually copper
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This poll is undeniable proof that high apm does not equal skill. Look at the copper league poll.
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Gold, ~60-70 APM, no spam clicks ever.
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 23 2010 11:24 Vei wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2010 10:26 Senx wrote:
Big surprise that copper players are also the biggest trolls.. lol big surprise you're dumb enough to assume people voting that option are actually copper
I'm pretty sure he doesn't actually mean that. Kinda a joke you know? haw haw?
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On April 23 2010 11:34 CheAse wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 23 2010 11:24 Vei wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2010 10:26 Senx wrote:
Big surprise that copper players are also the biggest trolls.. lol big surprise you're dumb enough to assume people voting that option are actually copper I'm pretty sure he doesn't actually mean that. Kinda a joke you know? haw haw?
it doesn't seem that way =p although text sarcasm is hard to convey.
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really interesting so far, 87% 330+ in copper league?
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leagues are like golf if you didn't know .. that's why basically everyone on TL is plat, then there are a few golds, a few less silvers, and even fewer coppers. in the sc universe copper is the rarest material =O
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lol 70 people voted 300+ in copper what
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On April 23 2010 09:02 Piy wrote:
People aren't spamming? Most people are under 180 apm?
was that true in bw as well?
APM is calculated per game minute, rather than real minute, as I understand. Thus, APMs are lower in sc2 than sc1.
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i like how most people in copper have +330..
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On April 23 2010 12:39 Kenpachi wrote:
i like how most people in copper have +330..
yea, can't expect much truth here.
im a mid level platinum player. apm usually between 70-90.
i basically never spam. for me spamming makes me more focused on spamming than playing and i miss something dumb like my 1st overlord. lol. the only spam i really do is when im moving units i sometimes click the location multiple times, but really that more of me hoping the unit will move faster if i click it again. lol.
it's much more important what you do with the apm you have. i will watch replays of games i've won and my opponent will show an APM of 180+ and all i can think is .."wtf are you doing with all those actions and still getting crushed?"
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copper is the new platinum!
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Avg: 130
Top Gold - Mid Platinum.
I actually trained to get it up. Normally I was between 60-80. Now it's about 130 naturally.
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APM on sc2 seems so much lower than sc1 for me that is -_-
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I love how the cooper league has 300+ average apm
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