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On April 18 2010 09:15 Pholon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 08:13 Cheree wrote:On April 18 2010 08:01 Hot_Bid wrote:On April 18 2010 07:56 Cheree wrote:On April 18 2010 07:54 Hot_Bid wrote:On April 18 2010 07:50 3FFA wrote:On April 18 2010 07:44 Slow Motion wrote:On April 18 2010 07:43 3FFA wrote:On April 18 2010 07:40 huameng wrote:On April 18 2010 07:36 3FFA wrote:
I think that TL handled this all wrong though. Why no drawing at all? That makes it so that there is no point in this. You could've at least selected some more users that are great contributors(like in the news post) instead of doing this. Now that I realize whats happening for real I just wish I hadn't nominated myself at all. -.- I'm starting to wonder why I should trust TL's staff at all anymore.
edit: edited for change of meaning. Why do you think all the keys from the nomination thread are being used in this contest? Ya but I didn't realize how they would handle the contest. This is just cruel. They should have just said that you can't nominate yourself instead of "and yes, you can nominate yourself". Nah, they're just trying to extract as much amusement from the keys as possible while giving them away. Good entertainment for the rest of us. Ya but for those who opted-in its just cruel and mean. I might've expected this from the normal users but not the STAFF! =( I think you're taking this way too seriously. A lot of new users have posted and interacted a lot in this thread, and as a result we've gotten to know them much better. That's a positive side effect we can take away from this regardless of what happens. And we've gotten to know the staff a lot better as well. I don't understand, are you trying to be passive aggressive or something here? Because throughout this entire thread I've not bashed one user for self-nomination nor have I attacked anyone for not opting out. This thread is a fun competition where users who wouldn't have gotten keys get opportunities to get keys. It's also generated many pages of discussion and as a result we know a lot of users better. I'm not talking about your posts, but your design. This contest is designed to fail from the get go, whether intentional or not. The design is sound. HB will live up to it an hand out the keys. There's nothing misleading. It's the people partaking. I can't see how you're arguing around this.
Clarify for me, who is this contest supposed to reward? People who are deserving or people who decide to optin regardless of intention? This mismatch between intention and selection process is what makes the design unsound. The misleading part is HB's discourse. He claimed that "There is nothing to lose." but that's not true, losing an opportunity could be as bad as losing a beta key. He also claims that "You'll be helping the other members out if you opt-out." That's partly true, you'll be helping the members who opted-in over everyone else including yourself. And these members who opted-in aren't necessarily more deserving than everyone else, so why help them out over everyone else? Whether this contest succeeds or fails, it won't matter. The same number of people will get keys in the end, maybe not through this contest, but someway or another, the keys will be handed out.
On April 18 2010 09:15 Pholon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 05:53 Cheree wrote:On April 17 2010 20:10 Pholon wrote:On April 17 2010 19:14 DwmC_Foefen wrote:On April 17 2010 19:01 Cheree wrote:On April 17 2010 18:45 Pholon wrote:
This thread, however, is a chance for you to redeem yourself. Redeem themselves from what? There's nothing wrong with nominating yourself in a contest like this, especially when it was explicitely said it was okay to do so. I don't see people who got their very first beta keys giving them out to more deserving members of the community. People who don't have beta keys and didn't get nominated stand a better chance by self-nomination than no nomination at all. This patronizing attitude rubs me the wrong way. It's just wrong to nominate yourself :p The was called "Nominate SOMEONE to win a beta key". And then there were all these low postcount posters who went on and nominated themselves. How do you call that in English? Leechers? :p OH IM SORRY. I guess scrubs nominating themselves over so many unkeyed deserving people doesn´t rub you the wrong way huh? Wow that makes so much sense. I missed this. If a scrub nominates themselves, no it doesn't rub me the wrong way. If they win, it will rub me the wrong way. Do you see the distinction? Also, I don't believe the mere fact of nominating yourself makes you a scrub. You're making that statement without even giving those folks a chance to prove themselves, without even looking at what they have to say. The less information and interaction you have with someone, the further you should be from passing judgement. There's a categorical condescending attitude against these self-nominees who don't deserve the shit being thrown at them. Again, I'm not saying people who haven't proven their worth to the community should get keys, I'm saying they shouldn't be shunned for trying when it was explicitely said it was ok. If I were a judge, I would kindly note their nomination, see if they could convince me of their worthiness and weigh them up against everyone else's nomination. Granted. most of them would be less deserving by comparison imo, but they also don't deserve this kind of treatment from the community, especially from those who are supposed to be TL role models. There are self-nominations that could be deemed more deserving than peer nominations. No. As far as I'm concerned non-naming-yourself is inherent to the word nominate. It's even implied in Kennigit's original instructions. Everyone I talk to agrees that -nominating oneself- for whatever is such a non-decorum move. It's called volunteering.
Semantics aside, why would the contest state it's okay to nominate yourself if you think you're deserving if they would be shunned from the community like this? That's a cruel design from the start. There's so many reasons why someone would nominate themselves that isn't shameful. There's also so many reasons why someone would that is shameful. You can't just judge people categorically like that.
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Braavos36370 Posts
On April 18 2010 09:51 Cheree wrote:
Semantics aside, why would the contest state it's okay to nominate yourself if you think you're deserving if they would be shunned from the community like this? That's a cruel design from the start. There's so many reasons why someone would nominate themselves that isn't shameful. There's also so many reasons why someone would that is shameful. You can't just judge people categorically like that.
We don't control our users thoughts. What Moderators intend to happen and what actually happens are two different things. Kennigit said "its OK to nominate yourself if you think you are deserving" and expected only a few TL vets or contributors to self-nominate. Instead, he got hundreds of newly registered users. People can do a lot of things within the rules set out by site Moderators, but simply abiding by rules does not mean those people somehow gain immunity from other users' criticism.
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Hah I thought about it but I just couldnt bring myself to nominate myself. This just feels like a perfect setup so they turn it around and pick one that were selfless enough to stand down ;P. Now dont go and be paranoid.. or should you all?
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the Dagon Knight4002 Posts
I don't want to get a key.
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On April 18 2010 09:58 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 09:51 Cheree wrote:
Semantics aside, why would the contest state it's okay to nominate yourself if you think you're deserving if they would be shunned from the community like this? That's a cruel design from the start. There's so many reasons why someone would nominate themselves that isn't shameful. There's also so many reasons why someone would that is shameful. You can't just judge people categorically like that. We don't control our users thoughts. What Moderators intend to happen and what actually happens are two different things. Kennigit said "its OK to nominate yourself if you think you are deserving" and expected only a few TL vets or contributors to self-nominate. Instead, he got hundreds of newly registered users. People can do a lot of things within the rules set out by site Moderators, but simply abiding by rules does not mean those people somehow gain immunity from other users' criticism.
I agree with how neither you, nor other TL staff are responsible for users' thoughts. What you are responsible for is what rules you set in place, how you act, and what values you propogate. The classy thing would have been to respectfully dismiss submissions from people who are new/weak contributors and give keys out to who the staff thinks are the most deserving individual from the nominees. Rather, you decided to single out all the self-nominees and invite public critique of their behavior and expecting them to sort it out. You really thought this would work? How naive can you be?
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On April 18 2010 09:51 LosingID8 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 09:20 NightOfTheDead wrote:On April 18 2010 09:00 LosingID8 wrote:On April 18 2010 08:55 NightOfTheDead wrote:On April 18 2010 08:49 baller wrote:
TL have a rule in the 10 commandments that says "thou shalt contribute to the site". this 10 commandments is linked 2 every new user so they have to read it b4 posting. but many of these users (including urself) didnt contribute and just spammed to get a key, so u violated a commandment (rule of TL).
so no, 20 post users who didnt contribute and then entered the contest didnt follow the rules.
u gonna change ur life philosophy now?? Nice assumptions! If im gonna change philosophy, your assumptions is the last thing i will take into consideration. i just checked your post history because i was curious about whether or not baller was correct. while it's true that you registered in 2009, simply registering an account on TL doesn't make you part of the community. so lets take a look at what you have contributed to TL: 15 total posts 4 of them are in "Nominate Someone to Win a Beta Key" including one post being an image macro (these were your 3 of your first 4 posts) 1 post speculating about balancing force field 10 of them are in this thread, "Beta Key Self-Nominators" sounds like you fit the bill of " didnt contribute and just spammed to get a key" pretty well. contribution of posts you can see very well, so there's no need for me to add here. Also, i dont see need to justify myself anywhere, because i was interested in understanding why there is so much hate on this thread. Read my original post on the nomination thread and come back and say i was spamming. And i already told at the begining of this thread, that by giving these keys to members with most posts would have been best idea. to clarify, i'm not attempting to vilify you and i don't really have anything against you personally. like you said, based on your first post in the nomination thread you seem like an ok guy. i am however trying to point out that nominating yourself with your first-ever post from the perspective of people who have been around TL a lot and have contributed is unseemly. you've been a member since august 2009 so it isn't like you just found out about TL yesterday. and yet you never bothered to post until we announced that we were giving out beta keys. my question to you (and all the other lurkers) is why? contributing to TL can take place in many forms. sure there are the more "glamorous" and obvious things like writing news articles, translating interviews, and streaming the leagues. however TL is more than just a place about starcraft. it's a community that brings a lot of diverse people who happen to share a niche hobby. you can contribute on this site even if all your posts have nothing to do with starcraft at all. have a unique hobby? blog about it like fuddx does with his balloons! have your bachelors in polisci? feel free to take part in political debates that occur all the time on TL. it could be more general than that too. do you have a great sense of humor? everyone loves reading funny posts, whether they are simply good jokes or clever flames. are you an artist? share your original comics with us! and finally, a great way to to contribute to TL is to simply foster a sense of community by getting to know others better by chatting with people on IRC or gaming with them on bw. anyway now that you've started posting i hope that you continue to do so. this message applies to all the other former-lurkers all well.
Basicly, lurking has much to do with the starctaft 2 beta. As i have not played starctaft 1 a lot lately, i mostly was a lot following sc1 scene, and TL.net is best at coverage out there. When sc2 beta began, i tried most contests which involves lottery. Theory crafting, or speculation as you defined it, has caught up with me, and i rly wanted to test all the insights of sc2 beta myself. Without having key, what could you possible say on starctaft 2 that would be helpful or true? So i tried my luck, even i knew i wouldnt get the key, nor i was pretending im the one who should get, mostly did this for fun part. But seeing the seriousness with which the people reacted to self nominees, when i think of it, i would rather not have participated.
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One hour and 58 minutes to go before the amount of opted in users half!
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United States47024 Posts
On April 18 2010 10:08 Cheree wrote:
I agree with how neither you, nor other TL staff are responsible for users' thoughts. What you are responsible for is what rules you set in place, how you act, and what values you propogate. The classy thing would have been to respectfully dismiss submissions from people who are new/weak contributors and give keys out to who the staff thinks are the most deserving individual from the nominees. Rather, you decided to single out all the self-nominees and invite public critique of their behavior and expecting them to sort it out. You really thought this would work? How naive can you be?
What did you expect to be sorted out?
As was stated before, there are plenty of new site members who figured out what this was all about, and respectfully dropped out of the running, avoiding ridicule. Those who think they can just stick it out in here are obviously making a statement about how much they think they deserve this key and are not interested in contributing to the site. Obviously people will be hostile to them--why would we care to have members who are not interested in contributing to the site?
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Netherlands6142 Posts
On April 18 2010 10:08 Cheree wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 09:58 Hot_Bid wrote:On April 18 2010 09:51 Cheree wrote:
Semantics aside, why would the contest state it's okay to nominate yourself if you think you're deserving if they would be shunned from the community like this? That's a cruel design from the start. There's so many reasons why someone would nominate themselves that isn't shameful. There's also so many reasons why someone would that is shameful. You can't just judge people categorically like that. We don't control our users thoughts. What Moderators intend to happen and what actually happens are two different things. Kennigit said "its OK to nominate yourself if you think you are deserving" and expected only a few TL vets or contributors to self-nominate. Instead, he got hundreds of newly registered users. People can do a lot of things within the rules set out by site Moderators, but simply abiding by rules does not mean those people somehow gain immunity from other users' criticism. I agree with how neither you, nor other TL staff are responsible for users' thoughts. What you are responsible for is what rules you set in place, how you act, and what values you propogate. The classy thing would have been to respectfully dismiss submissions from people who are new/weak contributors and give keys out to who the staff thinks are the most deserving individual from the nominees. Rather, you decided to single out all the self-nominees and invite public critique of their behavior and expecting them to sort it out. You really thought this would work? How naive can you be?
Who's naive? Of course this won't work. We all know the concept (several movies have been brought up as an example). It always fails. You can't blame the game for it though. I'll reiterate, the game is sound. To answer your earlier question - noone is supposed to win. It's meant to fail. The topic is about redemption, saving face, a wake up call.
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Hmm. I guess this particular post is directed at Hot_Bid (I assume that he has had the most to do with the selection process for this particular 'competition' than any other person, though I assume that solely because of his posts in this thread [and the fact he is OP, ofc]):
The more I consider this thread, the more concerned I am as to its intentions, or at least its validity.
To be honest, I don't really see the necessity of this thread at all. If the initial contest was still continuing as (ostensibly) planned, there should be no difference between those who nominated themselves and those who were nominated by another, in view of the competition itself. Of course, I assume that the people judging the competition (presumably yourself & other mods) would judge each respective nomination entirely by its own merits (we all know you're not idiots), thus leading to the logical end result that those who had already contributed the most to the site, and perhaps those who instead presented some promise of contributing to the site & community, would receive keys.
Instead, this post appeared. Now here is where I'm not sure I'm comfortable with how things are turning out.
Now, if the goal is to give the keys to those who are 'deserving' in the TL community, then as far as I can see right now this could've been done (and, in my increasing opinion, should've been done) without the use of this 'sub-competition' which by its very existence undermines the point of the original nominations. The keys could've been given out as planned, and those who clearly weren't ever in the running could just have been told 'sorry, perhaps in the future, when you've contributed'.
Such an outcome is already whatis likely to happen: by HB's own first/last posts (re. keys given out in the event of not enough unnominees - yes its a word.) :
"If there are too many people still on the list after 48 hours, nobody gets any."
...and later:
"I'm not sure where they are going because I'm not in charge of that, but I can say they most likely will not go to low post count self nominators."
Essentially, unless I am mistaken, there are two outcomes to this competition. Either enough people opt out, and the keys are given out based upon TL staff/other judges' decision on who is 'deserving' (which is entirely fair, and as far as I can see, exactly how the competition was planned), or all but 2 or 3 opt out, and the message of 'stubborn belligerance brings reward' rings out, likely at the expense of those who opted out despite in many peoples' opinions (eg. the judges of the competition) being more deserving than those who may eventually get a key in this method
(and before any smartass points it out, yes I self nominated, no I do not consider myself particularly more worthy than most others in the thread, and no, I don't think the above outcome is actually likely to happen).
tl;dr(and who could blame you):
Basically, I'm not entirely sure what this thread was meant to achieve. If people genuinely had second thoughts about self-nominating, then a thread that said 'post here if you want to unnominate' would have done the trick. A thread promising an unknown number of Beta keys to those who stuck it out, only if those around them bowed out respectfully, just seems a little too much like mind games to me.
Perhaps I'm entirely wrong in my line of thinking, or just out of line posting it here, but I'll post it anyway, so that I might review it in the morning (its almost 2.30am here o__0 ).
Kev
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On April 18 2010 10:22 weepingblades wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hmm. I guess this particular post is directed at Hot_Bid (I assume that he has had the most to do with the selection process for this particular 'competition' than any other person, though I assume that solely because of his posts in this thread [and the fact he is OP, ofc]):
The more I consider this thread, the more concerned I am as to its intentions, or at least its validity.
To be honest, I don't really see the necessity of this thread at all. If the initial contest was still continuing as (ostensibly) planned, there should be no difference between those who nominated themselves and those who were nominated by another, in view of the competition itself. Of course, I assume that the people judging the competition (presumably yourself & other mods) would judge each respective nomination entirely by its own merits (we all know you're not idiots), thus leading to the logical end result that those who had already contributed the most to the site, and perhaps those who instead presented some promise of contributing to the site & community, would receive keys.
Instead, this post appeared. Now here is where I'm not sure I'm comfortable with how things are turning out.
Now, if the goal is to give the keys to those who are 'deserving' in the TL community, then as far as I can see right now this could've been done (and, in my increasing opinion, should've been done) without the use of this 'sub-competition' which by its very existence undermines the point of the original nominations. The keys could've been given out as planned, and those who clearly weren't ever in the running could just have been told 'sorry, perhaps in the future, when you've contributed'.
Such an outcome is already whatis likely to happen: by HB's own first/last posts (re. keys given out in the event of not enough unnominees - yes its a word.) :
"If there are too many people still on the list after 48 hours, nobody gets any."
...and later:
"I'm not sure where they are going because I'm not in charge of that, but I can say they most likely will not go to low post count self nominators."
Essentially, unless I am mistaken, there are two outcomes to this competition. Either enough people opt out, and the keys are given out based upon TL staff/other judges' decision on who is 'deserving' (which is entirely fair, and as far as I can see, exactly how the competition was planned), or all but 2 or 3 opt out, and the message of 'stubborn belligerance brings reward' rings out, likely at the expense of those who opted out despite in many peoples' opinions (eg. the judges of the competition) being more deserving than those who may eventually get a key in this method
(and before any smartass points it out, yes I self nominated, no I do not consider myself particularly more worthy than most others in the thread, and no, I don't think the above outcome is actually likely to happen).
tl;dr(and who could blame you):
Basically, I'm not entirely sure what this thread was meant to achieve. If people genuinely had second thoughts about self-nominating, then a thread that said 'post here if you want to unnominate' would have done the trick. A thread promising an unknown number of Beta keys to those who stuck it out, only if those around them bowed out respectfully, just seems a little too much like mind games to me.
Perhaps I'm entirely wrong in my line of thinking, or just out of line posting it here, but I'll post it anyway, so that I might review it in the morning (its almost 2.30am here o__0 ).
Kev
That would've been too obvious, and everyone would have un-nominated themselves. A "contest" gives them at least some incentive to stay self-nominated...
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On April 18 2010 10:08 Cheree wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 09:58 Hot_Bid wrote:On April 18 2010 09:51 Cheree wrote:
Semantics aside, why would the contest state it's okay to nominate yourself if you think you're deserving if they would be shunned from the community like this? That's a cruel design from the start. There's so many reasons why someone would nominate themselves that isn't shameful. There's also so many reasons why someone would that is shameful. You can't just judge people categorically like that. We don't control our users thoughts. What Moderators intend to happen and what actually happens are two different things. Kennigit said "its OK to nominate yourself if you think you are deserving" and expected only a few TL vets or contributors to self-nominate. Instead, he got hundreds of newly registered users. People can do a lot of things within the rules set out by site Moderators, but simply abiding by rules does not mean those people somehow gain immunity from other users' criticism. I agree with how neither you, nor other TL staff are responsible for users' thoughts. What you are responsible for is what rules you set in place, how you act, and what values you propogate. The classy thing would have been to respectfully dismiss submissions from people who are new/weak contributors and give keys out to who the staff thinks are the most deserving individual from the nominees. Rather, you decided to single out all the self-nominees and invite public critique of their behavior and expecting them to sort it out. You really thought this would work? How naive can you be?
lol wtf do you mean "did you think this will work"? It is working. You forum nubs are working together to weed each other out. We're getting entertained. That's all that matters, not your subjective definition of "class" . So stfu with your indignation about the rules, as none were changed or broken, and if you really find things to be so distasteful than don't participate.
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On April 18 2010 10:13 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 10:08 Cheree wrote:
I agree with how neither you, nor other TL staff are responsible for users' thoughts. What you are responsible for is what rules you set in place, how you act, and what values you propogate. The classy thing would have been to respectfully dismiss submissions from people who are new/weak contributors and give keys out to who the staff thinks are the most deserving individual from the nominees. Rather, you decided to single out all the self-nominees and invite public critique of their behavior and expecting them to sort it out. You really thought this would work? How naive can you be? What did you expect to be sorted out? As was stated before, there are plenty of new site members who figured out what this was all about, and respectfully dropped out of the running, avoiding ridicule. Those who think they can just stick it out in here are obviously making a statement about how much they think they deserve this key and are not interested in contributing to the site. Obviously people will be hostile to them--why would we care to have members who are not interested in contributing to the site?
I don't expect anything to be sorted out. I get the Saw reference, but this game didn't target the right audience. There are plenty of people in that list who don't deserve the company they are with. There are plenty of good reasons why someone would nominate themselves. Deciding to stay in the list or not is not obvious of what statement they are making. Their posts are.
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Are we still allowed to opt in? I want to nominate myself still.
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I think some people in here is just taking the thread way too seriously. It's a thread for the people on the list to self-evaluate themselves. Do they really deserve a beta key? If so, provide your reasons. I believe just staying in the running because of reasons like, "I've been a fan of the series for my whole life" or "I've been F5ing on Facebook for so long, I'm desperate" are kind of weak and whoever gets chosen should be based more on how much you really want to play this game for the community and contribute back to the community.
I for one genuinely believe that I am worthy of a key and hence I am staying in the running. I don't think people who choose to continue to stay in the running will be ridiculed if they offer legitimate reasons for why they think they deserve a key. I sure haven't been ridiculed yet.
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On April 18 2010 10:18 Pholon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 10:08 Cheree wrote:On April 18 2010 09:58 Hot_Bid wrote:On April 18 2010 09:51 Cheree wrote:
Semantics aside, why would the contest state it's okay to nominate yourself if you think you're deserving if they would be shunned from the community like this? That's a cruel design from the start. There's so many reasons why someone would nominate themselves that isn't shameful. There's also so many reasons why someone would that is shameful. You can't just judge people categorically like that. We don't control our users thoughts. What Moderators intend to happen and what actually happens are two different things. Kennigit said "its OK to nominate yourself if you think you are deserving" and expected only a few TL vets or contributors to self-nominate. Instead, he got hundreds of newly registered users. People can do a lot of things within the rules set out by site Moderators, but simply abiding by rules does not mean those people somehow gain immunity from other users' criticism. I agree with how neither you, nor other TL staff are responsible for users' thoughts. What you are responsible for is what rules you set in place, how you act, and what values you propogate. The classy thing would have been to respectfully dismiss submissions from people who are new/weak contributors and give keys out to who the staff thinks are the most deserving individual from the nominees. Rather, you decided to single out all the self-nominees and invite public critique of their behavior and expecting them to sort it out. You really thought this would work? How naive can you be? Who's naive? Of course this won't work. We all know the concept (several movies have been brought up as an example). It always fails. You can't blame the game for it though. I'll reiterate, the game is sound. To answer your earlier question - noone is supposed to win. It's meant to fail. The topic is about redemption, saving face, a wake up call.
Again, save face from what? A wake up call from what? It's not like that list of 'participants' did anything wrong to be categorically thought a lesson. You could have a good reason for nominating yourself just as you could have a bad reason.
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i never post but im on TL everyday. I don't think anybody owes me one just think since the beta is a test and i play hundreds of bw games a month and will play even more sc2 that I should have one. just want to play and get into the new game.
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United States47024 Posts
On April 18 2010 10:30 Cheree wrote:
There are plenty of people in that list who don't deserve the company they are with. There are plenty of good reasons why someone would nominate themselves.
Name one.
Edit: Name one that we should care about and is relevant.
Everyone wants a key. In their subjective eyes, everyone thinks they deserve one. That's not what this contest is about. I can see why someone would nominate themselves, but when it's been made clear that the intent of nomination was to nominate contributing members of the community, and a thread has been made giving you the option to pull out and not look like you think you're above the rest of this community, and you still don't take that choice, you're either stupid or arrogant.
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On April 18 2010 10:22 weepingblades wrote:
Hmm. I guess this particular post is directed at Hot_Bid (I assume that he has had the most to do with the selection process for this particular 'competition' than any other person, though I assume that solely because of his posts in this thread [and the fact he is OP, ofc]):
The more I consider this thread, the more concerned I am as to its intentions, or at least its validity.
To be honest, I don't really see the necessity of this thread at all. If the initial contest was still continuing as (ostensibly) planned, there should be no difference between those who nominated themselves and those who were nominated by another, in view of the competition itself. Of course, I assume that the people judging the competition (presumably yourself & other mods) would judge each respective nomination entirely by its own merits (we all know you're not idiots), thus leading to the logical end result that those who had already contributed the most to the site, and perhaps those who instead presented some promise of contributing to the site & community, would receive keys.
Instead, this post appeared. Now here is where I'm not sure I'm comfortable with how things are turning out.
Now, if the goal is to give the keys to those who are 'deserving' in the TL community, then as far as I can see right now this could've been done (and, in my increasing opinion, should've been done) without the use of this 'sub-competition' which by its very existence undermines the point of the original nominations. The keys could've been given out as planned, and those who clearly weren't ever in the running could just have been told 'sorry, perhaps in the future, when you've contributed'.
Such an outcome is already whatis likely to happen: by HB's own first/last posts (re. keys given out in the event of not enough unnominees - yes its a word.) :
"If there are too many people still on the list after 48 hours, nobody gets any."
...and later:
"I'm not sure where they are going because I'm not in charge of that, but I can say they most likely will not go to low post count self nominators."
Essentially, unless I am mistaken, there are two outcomes to this competition. Either enough people opt out, and the keys are given out based upon TL staff/other judges' decision on who is 'deserving' (which is entirely fair, and as far as I can see, exactly how the competition was planned), or all but 2 or 3 opt out, and the message of 'stubborn belligerance brings reward' rings out, likely at the expense of those who opted out despite in many peoples' opinions (eg. the judges of the competition) being more deserving than those who may eventually get a key in this method
(and before any smartass points it out, yes I self nominated, no I do not consider myself particularly more worthy than most others in the thread, and no, I don't think the above outcome is actually likely to happen).
tl;dr(and who could blame you):
Basically, I'm not entirely sure what this thread was meant to achieve. If people genuinely had second thoughts about self-nominating, then a thread that said 'post here if you want to unnominate' would have done the trick. A thread promising an unknown number of Beta keys to those who stuck it out, only if those around them bowed out respectfully, just seems a little too much like mind games to me.
Perhaps I'm entirely wrong in my line of thinking, or just out of line posting it here, but I'll post it anyway, so that I might review it in the morning (its almost 2.30am here o__0 ).
Kev
when he says he's not sure if low posters will qualify, it's because of the rampant stupidity or ignorance the low posters are showing, not that they're ineligible to receive a key (if they make it to the end).
Let me explain to you, simply, what this thread is meant to achieve. The site rewards you for contributing, and this philosophy is written not only in the commandments but is consistently demonstrated in practice. Many of the recent registrants who came with the SC2 beta don't understand this. And yet with the beta key nominations, an even larger number of noobs jumped out of the woodwork asking for a key without any consideration to the aforementioned philosophy. So what this thread does it allows these noobs to contribute to the site by entertaining us  And in doing so, we not only get to learn a bit about your posting persona but you also get to benefit with some recognition and a chance for a beta key. Win win imo.
It's really not that hard. SO let's all stop bitching about the "cruelty" of the game (after all, it's your choice to participate or not participate) and play to win! Gogogo betakey survivor!
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