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On April 18 2010 10:29 d_so wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 10:08 Cheree wrote:On April 18 2010 09:58 Hot_Bid wrote:On April 18 2010 09:51 Cheree wrote:
Semantics aside, why would the contest state it's okay to nominate yourself if you think you're deserving if they would be shunned from the community like this? That's a cruel design from the start. There's so many reasons why someone would nominate themselves that isn't shameful. There's also so many reasons why someone would that is shameful. You can't just judge people categorically like that. We don't control our users thoughts. What Moderators intend to happen and what actually happens are two different things. Kennigit said "its OK to nominate yourself if you think you are deserving" and expected only a few TL vets or contributors to self-nominate. Instead, he got hundreds of newly registered users. People can do a lot of things within the rules set out by site Moderators, but simply abiding by rules does not mean those people somehow gain immunity from other users' criticism. I agree with how neither you, nor other TL staff are responsible for users' thoughts. What you are responsible for is what rules you set in place, how you act, and what values you propogate. The classy thing would have been to respectfully dismiss submissions from people who are new/weak contributors and give keys out to who the staff thinks are the most deserving individual from the nominees. Rather, you decided to single out all the self-nominees and invite public critique of their behavior and expecting them to sort it out. You really thought this would work? How naive can you be? lol wtf do you mean "did you think this will work"? It is working. You forum nubs are working together to weed each other out. We're getting entertained. That's all that matters, not your subjective definition of "class" . So stfu with your indignation about the rules, as none were changed or broken, and if you really find things to be so distasteful than don't participate.
You're getting entertained at the cost of individuals who did nothing wrong. (So am I for that matter, but I've chosen to defend em. :p) My subjective opinion of class is my own, it only effects my perspective of the members here and that's what I'm sharing. If you don't care, then don't reply to me. And if someone finds things to be distasteful, they should shut up and take it rather than speak out about it?
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On April 18 2010 10:18 Pholon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 10:08 Cheree wrote:On April 18 2010 09:58 Hot_Bid wrote:On April 18 2010 09:51 Cheree wrote:
Semantics aside, why would the contest state it's okay to nominate yourself if you think you're deserving if they would be shunned from the community like this? That's a cruel design from the start. There's so many reasons why someone would nominate themselves that isn't shameful. There's also so many reasons why someone would that is shameful. You can't just judge people categorically like that. We don't control our users thoughts. What Moderators intend to happen and what actually happens are two different things. Kennigit said "its OK to nominate yourself if you think you are deserving" and expected only a few TL vets or contributors to self-nominate. Instead, he got hundreds of newly registered users. People can do a lot of things within the rules set out by site Moderators, but simply abiding by rules does not mean those people somehow gain immunity from other users' criticism. I agree with how neither you, nor other TL staff are responsible for users' thoughts. What you are responsible for is what rules you set in place, how you act, and what values you propogate. The classy thing would have been to respectfully dismiss submissions from people who are new/weak contributors and give keys out to who the staff thinks are the most deserving individual from the nominees. Rather, you decided to single out all the self-nominees and invite public critique of their behavior and expecting them to sort it out. You really thought this would work? How naive can you be? Who's naive? Of course this won't work. We all know the concept (several movies have been brought up as an example). It always fails. You can't blame the game for it though. I'll reiterate, the game is sound. To answer your earlier question - noone is supposed to win. It's meant to fail. The topic is about redemption, saving face, a wake up call.
it doesn't always fail! it worked in batman
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On April 18 2010 10:38 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 10:30 Cheree wrote:
There are plenty of people in that list who don't deserve the company they are with. There are plenty of good reasons why someone would nominate themselves. Name one. Edit: Name one that we should care about and is relevant. Everyone wants a key. In their subjective eyes, everyone thinks they deserve one. That's not what this contest is about. I can see why someone would nominate themselves, but when it's been made clear that the intent of nomination was to nominate contributing members of the community, and a thread has been made giving you the option to not look like you think you're above the rest of this community, and you still don't take that choice, you're either stupid or arrogant.
- Old time TL member / programmer / player / commentator / writer gets overlooked and no one nominates him, so he nominates himself. People aren't perfect, people forget and it's not shameful to defend your interests and remind people.
- Some of those nominated by peers have made no contribution, but are just personal friends who have this connection, The competition is weak for the beta keys, therefore it's not farfeteched to nominate yourself if you feel you have made better/more contributions and are more deserving.
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On April 18 2010 10:41 Cheree wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 10:29 d_so wrote:On April 18 2010 10:08 Cheree wrote:On April 18 2010 09:58 Hot_Bid wrote:On April 18 2010 09:51 Cheree wrote:
Semantics aside, why would the contest state it's okay to nominate yourself if you think you're deserving if they would be shunned from the community like this? That's a cruel design from the start. There's so many reasons why someone would nominate themselves that isn't shameful. There's also so many reasons why someone would that is shameful. You can't just judge people categorically like that. We don't control our users thoughts. What Moderators intend to happen and what actually happens are two different things. Kennigit said "its OK to nominate yourself if you think you are deserving" and expected only a few TL vets or contributors to self-nominate. Instead, he got hundreds of newly registered users. People can do a lot of things within the rules set out by site Moderators, but simply abiding by rules does not mean those people somehow gain immunity from other users' criticism. I agree with how neither you, nor other TL staff are responsible for users' thoughts. What you are responsible for is what rules you set in place, how you act, and what values you propogate. The classy thing would have been to respectfully dismiss submissions from people who are new/weak contributors and give keys out to who the staff thinks are the most deserving individual from the nominees. Rather, you decided to single out all the self-nominees and invite public critique of their behavior and expecting them to sort it out. You really thought this would work? How naive can you be? lol wtf do you mean "did you think this will work"? It is working. You forum nubs are working together to weed each other out. We're getting entertained. That's all that matters, not your subjective definition of "class" . So stfu with your indignation about the rules, as none were changed or broken, and if you really find things to be so distasteful than don't participate. You're getting entertained at the cost of individuals who did nothing wrong. (So am I for that matter, but I've chosen to defend em. :p) My subjective opinion of class is my own, it only effects my perspective of the members here and that's what I'm sharing. If you don't care, then don't reply to me. And if someone finds things to be distasteful, they should shut up and take it rather than speak out about it?
exactly. you're subjective opinion is your OWN: don't expect others to follow it. in other words, don't impose YOUR opinion of a definition onto an organization and claim it's a valid argument. And yeah, I don't care for your opinion. But like you said in your last sentence, since I find your opinion distasteful, especially within the context of the workings of this site, I will tell you to shut the fuck up so there can be a reduction of irrelevant posts in regards to this game. If you want to discuss validity of intent or whatever, go pm hotbid and stop complaining publicly. we're waiting for this event to unfold, not to hear some newbie wax indignant of his ideas of class and righteousness.
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On April 18 2010 10:47 d_so wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 10:41 Cheree wrote:On April 18 2010 10:29 d_so wrote:On April 18 2010 10:08 Cheree wrote:On April 18 2010 09:58 Hot_Bid wrote:On April 18 2010 09:51 Cheree wrote:
Semantics aside, why would the contest state it's okay to nominate yourself if you think you're deserving if they would be shunned from the community like this? That's a cruel design from the start. There's so many reasons why someone would nominate themselves that isn't shameful. There's also so many reasons why someone would that is shameful. You can't just judge people categorically like that. We don't control our users thoughts. What Moderators intend to happen and what actually happens are two different things. Kennigit said "its OK to nominate yourself if you think you are deserving" and expected only a few TL vets or contributors to self-nominate. Instead, he got hundreds of newly registered users. People can do a lot of things within the rules set out by site Moderators, but simply abiding by rules does not mean those people somehow gain immunity from other users' criticism. I agree with how neither you, nor other TL staff are responsible for users' thoughts. What you are responsible for is what rules you set in place, how you act, and what values you propogate. The classy thing would have been to respectfully dismiss submissions from people who are new/weak contributors and give keys out to who the staff thinks are the most deserving individual from the nominees. Rather, you decided to single out all the self-nominees and invite public critique of their behavior and expecting them to sort it out. You really thought this would work? How naive can you be? lol wtf do you mean "did you think this will work"? It is working. You forum nubs are working together to weed each other out. We're getting entertained. That's all that matters, not your subjective definition of "class" . So stfu with your indignation about the rules, as none were changed or broken, and if you really find things to be so distasteful than don't participate. You're getting entertained at the cost of individuals who did nothing wrong. (So am I for that matter, but I've chosen to defend em. :p) My subjective opinion of class is my own, it only effects my perspective of the members here and that's what I'm sharing. If you don't care, then don't reply to me. And if someone finds things to be distasteful, they should shut up and take it rather than speak out about it? exactly. you're subjective opinion is your OWN: don't expect others to follow it. in other words, don't impose YOUR opinion of a definition onto an organization and claim it's a valid argument. And yeah, I don't care for your opinion. But like you said in your last sentence, since I find your opinion distasteful, especially within the context of the workings of this site, I will tell you to shut the fuck up so there can be a reduction of irrelevant posts in regards to this game. If you want to discuss validity of intent or whatever, go pm hotbid and stop complaining publicly. we're waiting for this event to unfold, not to hear some newbie wax indignant of his ideas of class and righteousness.
actually there's nothing to wait for. It was clear from the begining how this unfolds.
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On April 18 2010 10:49 NightOfTheDead wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 10:47 d_so wrote:On April 18 2010 10:41 Cheree wrote:On April 18 2010 10:29 d_so wrote:On April 18 2010 10:08 Cheree wrote:On April 18 2010 09:58 Hot_Bid wrote:On April 18 2010 09:51 Cheree wrote:
Semantics aside, why would the contest state it's okay to nominate yourself if you think you're deserving if they would be shunned from the community like this? That's a cruel design from the start. There's so many reasons why someone would nominate themselves that isn't shameful. There's also so many reasons why someone would that is shameful. You can't just judge people categorically like that. We don't control our users thoughts. What Moderators intend to happen and what actually happens are two different things. Kennigit said "its OK to nominate yourself if you think you are deserving" and expected only a few TL vets or contributors to self-nominate. Instead, he got hundreds of newly registered users. People can do a lot of things within the rules set out by site Moderators, but simply abiding by rules does not mean those people somehow gain immunity from other users' criticism. I agree with how neither you, nor other TL staff are responsible for users' thoughts. What you are responsible for is what rules you set in place, how you act, and what values you propogate. The classy thing would have been to respectfully dismiss submissions from people who are new/weak contributors and give keys out to who the staff thinks are the most deserving individual from the nominees. Rather, you decided to single out all the self-nominees and invite public critique of their behavior and expecting them to sort it out. You really thought this would work? How naive can you be? lol wtf do you mean "did you think this will work"? It is working. You forum nubs are working together to weed each other out. We're getting entertained. That's all that matters, not your subjective definition of "class" . So stfu with your indignation about the rules, as none were changed or broken, and if you really find things to be so distasteful than don't participate. You're getting entertained at the cost of individuals who did nothing wrong. (So am I for that matter, but I've chosen to defend em. :p) My subjective opinion of class is my own, it only effects my perspective of the members here and that's what I'm sharing. If you don't care, then don't reply to me. And if someone finds things to be distasteful, they should shut up and take it rather than speak out about it? exactly. you're subjective opinion is your OWN: don't expect others to follow it. in other words, don't impose YOUR opinion of a definition onto an organization and claim it's a valid argument. And yeah, I don't care for your opinion. But like you said in your last sentence, since I find your opinion distasteful, especially within the context of the workings of this site, I will tell you to shut the fuck up so there can be a reduction of irrelevant posts in regards to this game. If you want to discuss validity of intent or whatever, go pm hotbid and stop complaining publicly. we're waiting for this event to unfold, not to hear some newbie wax indignant of his ideas of class and righteousness. actually there's nothing to wait for. It was clear from the begining how this unfolds.
you can be like the big black dude on the prisoner boat in batman who threw the remote and beat the system!!! it could happen!!!
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On April 18 2010 10:30 Cheree wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 10:13 TheYango wrote:On April 18 2010 10:08 Cheree wrote:
I agree with how neither you, nor other TL staff are responsible for users' thoughts. What you are responsible for is what rules you set in place, how you act, and what values you propogate. The classy thing would have been to respectfully dismiss submissions from people who are new/weak contributors and give keys out to who the staff thinks are the most deserving individual from the nominees. Rather, you decided to single out all the self-nominees and invite public critique of their behavior and expecting them to sort it out. You really thought this would work? How naive can you be? What did you expect to be sorted out? As was stated before, there are plenty of new site members who figured out what this was all about, and respectfully dropped out of the running, avoiding ridicule. Those who think they can just stick it out in here are obviously making a statement about how much they think they deserve this key and are not interested in contributing to the site. Obviously people will be hostile to them--why would we care to have members who are not interested in contributing to the site? I don't expect anything to be sorted out. I get the Saw reference, but this game didn't target the right audience. There are plenty of people in that list who don't deserve the company they are with. There are plenty of good reasons why someone would nominate themselves. Deciding to stay in the list or not is not obvious of what statement they are making. Their posts are.
There is never a good reason to nominate yourself. Because if the reason to be nominated is good enough, someone else will notice it and nominate you.
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If you think about it nobody is required to opt out, and nobody will gain anything (Material) from opting out. People are opting out for a couple main reasons (That i can think of)
1. They really don't care
2. They Don't want keys to go to waste
3. They care enough about the community that they want people to like/respect/not ridicule them.
4. They have school or something that would be ruined by getting a beta key.
5. other?
The people are staying in because they have a chance to win something. If they stay in they might win a beta key and they might not. If they leave they gain nothing, basically they are clever, risk-takers, and some but not all are just douche bags selfish and all they care about is the key and they will leave TL forever after they get it. People who registered on the day of or after the contest being announced and then nominated themselves do not deserve to get a key IMO.
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On April 18 2010 10:52 Alou wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 10:30 Cheree wrote:On April 18 2010 10:13 TheYango wrote:On April 18 2010 10:08 Cheree wrote:
I agree with how neither you, nor other TL staff are responsible for users' thoughts. What you are responsible for is what rules you set in place, how you act, and what values you propogate. The classy thing would have been to respectfully dismiss submissions from people who are new/weak contributors and give keys out to who the staff thinks are the most deserving individual from the nominees. Rather, you decided to single out all the self-nominees and invite public critique of their behavior and expecting them to sort it out. You really thought this would work? How naive can you be? What did you expect to be sorted out? As was stated before, there are plenty of new site members who figured out what this was all about, and respectfully dropped out of the running, avoiding ridicule. Those who think they can just stick it out in here are obviously making a statement about how much they think they deserve this key and are not interested in contributing to the site. Obviously people will be hostile to them--why would we care to have members who are not interested in contributing to the site? I don't expect anything to be sorted out. I get the Saw reference, but this game didn't target the right audience. There are plenty of people in that list who don't deserve the company they are with. There are plenty of good reasons why someone would nominate themselves. Deciding to stay in the list or not is not obvious of what statement they are making. Their posts are. There is never a good reason to nominate yourself. Because if the reason to be nominated is good enough, someone else will notice it and nominate you.
I disagree. People aren't perfect. People can forget. People can overlook. It is possible to be deserving and not get nominated.
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Hot_Bid I now understand this thread a lot more. Thank you for taking the time to explain this contest a lot(I mean, 5billion times) and explaining it until I understood this concept. I still believe that I am worthy as I will spend most of my time trying to contribute to this site(when I'm not at school) and answering questions as well as contributing to discussions(like this one). I did exaggerate this and I'm sorry for that. I will still consider opting-out though.
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I don't see the harm
They made an otherwise mundane process entertaining, and all the people who were originally going to receive the keys still will.
Mission Accomplished
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On April 18 2010 11:03 Amazn wrote:Mission Accomplished
Bad idea to use this phrase in the middle of an ongoing conflict. Hasn't worked out well in the past.
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so when will the actual nominees be chosen?
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On April 18 2010 11:00 Cheree wrote:
I disagree. People aren't perfect. People can forget. People can overlook. It is possible to be deserving and not get nominated.
If you don't get nominated by someone else, you're not deserving enough. Seems like a pretty simple concept.
Who nominated themselves because other people forgot to? Find an example of a longtime contributor who got "forgotten."
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The majority of you posting this thread have turned a nice gesture offerig the self nomnated, or even offering to give out 50 in the first place... To a bash against TL. If you are one o the bashers why would you expect to get anything from someone you are targeting? As for bashing anyone else trying to get a beta key it's kind of hippocritical isn't t? That you'd be hating on someone for wantin the same thing as you and tryig to get it the same way as you?
The TL staff could of said "lol stupid noobs" and given it to any body they wanted, but instead they had scavenger hunts, nominations, a tournament, and some high tech quizzes that blew my mind.
Thank them (as ilovestarcraft told me to be doing in general...), don't hate them. Jealousy is an ugly trait. ...see I even made a friend onthis thread, not to mention 2 long lost friends who saw my name and contacted me via PM; for that I thank you Hot_Bid.
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On April 18 2010 11:06 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 11:00 Cheree wrote:
I disagree. People aren't perfect. People can forget. People can overlook. It is possible to be deserving and not get nominated. If you don't get nominated by someone else, you're not deserving enough. Seems like a pretty simple concept. Who nominated themselves because other people forgot to? Find an example of a longtime contributor who got "forgotten."
mrhoon
edit: ok he didnt nominate himself but he totally said "nominate me someone" basically lol ALMOST the same because i totally forgot about mrhoon because he hadnt posted much in a while :\
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On April 18 2010 11:06 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 11:00 Cheree wrote:
I disagree. People aren't perfect. People can forget. People can overlook. It is possible to be deserving and not get nominated. If you don't get nominated by someone else, you're not deserving enough. Seems like a pretty simple concept. Who nominated themselves because other people forgot to? Find an example of a longtime contributor who got "forgotten."
Here's a simple concept, the most deserving person would get nominated by everyone because, well, he's the most deserving person. It will be really simple to give out the key then. We all know that doesn't happen in reality, as we all know that people who are nominated by others aren't necessarily more deserving than people who nominate themselves.
I'll take you up on the challenge of finding an old time contributor who nominated themselves, but give me some time. I don't know the community that well, so I'll have to use my judgement when going through their self-nominations.
What is easy to do is see which self-nominee is more deserving than a peer-nomination.
Here's one a self-nomination that's better than a peer-nomination:
Self-Nomination:
+ Show Spoiler +madnessman
I hate to do this I'm going to selfish and nominate myself since I'm dying to actually play SC2. I've never touched a computer with SC2 on it yet. Sad. I'm probably the D-rank player with the most playing experience. I've been playing SC for a while. I'm not sure if this is a good indicator of how long I've been playing SC but my BW cd is labelled 1.04. It's OK though. I'm going to be the first Singaporean SC2 bonjwa for sure. If I do get decent at SC2 I'll start streaming and recording FPVODs/tutorials to help the community.
And I second FuDDx's nomination if he really doesn't have a key or an account to borrow yet. He's pretty awesome.
EDIT: 2 beta keys below me? jealous jealous jealous
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Peer-Nomination
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ungood
I would like to nominate OpRaider, because well, he's my brother and I'm tired of him stealing my account.
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On April 18 2010 11:21 Ideas wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 11:06 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On April 18 2010 11:00 Cheree wrote:
I disagree. People aren't perfect. People can forget. People can overlook. It is possible to be deserving and not get nominated. If you don't get nominated by someone else, you're not deserving enough. Seems like a pretty simple concept. Who nominated themselves because other people forgot to? Find an example of a longtime contributor who got "forgotten." mrhoon
Plenty of people nominated MrHoon...
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On April 18 2010 11:23 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 11:21 Ideas wrote:On April 18 2010 11:06 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On April 18 2010 11:00 Cheree wrote:
I disagree. People aren't perfect. People can forget. People can overlook. It is possible to be deserving and not get nominated. If you don't get nominated by someone else, you're not deserving enough. Seems like a pretty simple concept. Who nominated themselves because other people forgot to? Find an example of a longtime contributor who got "forgotten." mrhoon Plenty of people nominated MrHoon...
yea i remembered wrong :\
sorry mrhoon!
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