Beta Key Self-Nominators - Page 42

On April 18 2010 08:32 Bear4188 wrote:
As a newbie, I'm going to try to summarize what the hell is going on here.

1) TL offered up the opportunity for members to nominate anyone in the community who they thought were deserving of a beta key.

2) Some people self nominated. Some are arguably deserving people who wanted to make sure they didn't get overlooked. Others were people who were making their first post a "LOL GIMME A KEY."

3) Members of the community (not just people with an account, but people who've stuck around for awhile) are upset that people are hijacking what was seemingly intended to put keys in the hands of people who would greatly appreciate them.

4) TL creates this thread such that self nominees could either explain themselves or withdraw their nomination upon realizing the real intent of the giveaway.

5) Some new posters see that the contest was not meant to be a raffle, but as an effort to get them to community contributors. They withdraw stating that they misunderstood and might even be interested in partaking in the community in the future

6) The few worthy self nominees see that things have gotten a little out of hand and pull out as well, knowing that they'll still be recognized by their community if they are actually worthy.

7) The rest, having the intent of the nominations explained to them, continue to insist that they are still more deserving of keys earmarked for members of the TL community than contributing members of said community. They are met with derision.

As an aside, to new people claiming the community is unwelcoming:
I am myself a newbie. The difference is I did not come here expecting to be given anything. I came here to watch some of the awesome streams, read the threads, and participate however I can. Without a key I obviously couldn't contribute any meaningful in game knowledge. However, TL is an esports site, and that consists of several things. Even without a key you can contribute as a spectator. There are multiple threads from streamers who want input whether it be questions to be answered, feedback on quality, topics of interest, etc. So, you can still contribute and will find the existing community to be welcoming of you (as evidenced by the keys awarded to myself and 11 other newbies for making an effort to join the community). If you're not at all interested in watching esports than this site probably isn't for you anyway.

On April 18 2010 08:38 Kennigit wrote:

Smartest guy in this whole thread.

On April 18 2010 08:27 Cheree wrote:

About 1, you were the one who brought up the analogy where drowning would be the equivalent of no one wins, when in fact that is not the case. If no one wins, the keys will be distributed again.
2. The intention was to give people who are most deserving the key. People have various reasons for staying or opting out, not necessarily because they want to promote community. If there's one bad apple, which there is bound to be, the whole intention of the contest goes tits up.
3. The contest was designed to fail from the start, I don't see how you could expect it to succeed. In the perfect world, those who dont think they deserve the key would step down in favor of those who do. In reality, that's not true. So even if this contest ends up with winners, they won't be the most deserving like intended and leave a bad taste in the mouths of those who were more deserving than them.
4. In the long run, it will have little impact. TL has a chance of showing what kind of community they promote, yet this contest is pitting people against eachother and those who are selfless are not the ones being rewarded if this contest succeeds.

On April 18 2010 08:43 NightOfTheDead wrote:
...althought they were not sure about one thing - whats up with all the hate?

On April 18 2010 08:43 NightOfTheDead wrote:


1) TL offered up the opportunity for members to nominate anyone in the community who they thought were deserving of a beta key. With the possibility to nominate themselves as well.

2) Most people self nominated. Because there were no definition of the word 'deserving', those newcomers posted explanations why they think they were deserving.

3) Members of the community are upset that people rightfully entered contest (following the rules), because they thought that this was intended to put keys in the hands of people who would greatly appreciate them.

4) TL creates this thread such that self nominees could either explain themselves or withdraw their nomination upon realizing the real intent of the giveaway.

5)Some new posters who withdrawed, acknolwedged the intent of giveaway, althought they were not sure about one thing - whats up with all the hate?

6) Other self nominees do not care about TL.net, just the beta key.

7) Remaining self nominees chose to play 'the game' TL.net has offered them.

Fixed!.

On April 18 2010 08:42 phlamez wrote:
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1. I was being sarcastic, my point was that analogies aren't supposed to be 1 to 1.
2. Implicit in the idea of giving people who are most deserving of the key is the idea of community. You have control over your intentions and the intentions of others aren't an excuse to not act.
3. This is ridiculously jaded, and I don't believe for a second that hotbid designed this contest to fail.

On April 18 2010 08:49 baller wrote:
TL have a rule in the 10 commandments that says "thou shalt contribute to the site". this 10 commandments is linked 2 every new user so they have to read it b4 posting. but many of these users (including urself) didnt contribute and just spammed to get a key, so u violated a commandment (rule of TL).

so no, 20 post users who didnt contribute and then entered the contest didnt follow the rules.

u gonna change ur life philosophy now??

On April 18 2010 08:55 NightOfTheDead wrote:


Nice assumptions! If im gonna change philosophy, your assumptions is the last thing i will take into consideration.

On April 18 2010 08:55 NightOfTheDead wrote:


Nice assumptions! If im gonna change philosophy, your assumptions is the last thing i will take into consideration.

On April 18 2010 09:00 LosingID8 wrote:

i just checked your post history because i was curious about whether or not baller was correct. while it's true that you registered in 2009, simply registering an account on TL doesn't make you part of the community.

so lets take a look at what you have contributed to TL:

15 total posts
4 of them are in "Nominate Someone to Win a Beta Key" including one post being an image macro (these were your 3 of your first 4 posts)
1 post speculating about balancing force field
10 of them are in this thread, "Beta Key Self-Nominators"

sounds like you fit the bill of "didnt contribute and just spammed to get a key" pretty well.

On April 18 2010 08:54 Cheree wrote:
This 'test' puts too much faith in the community. HotBid is being incredibly naive if he thinks the community will sort itself out, especially if the community is composed of new members who just registered and have low attachment to TL, and they have the same say as everyone else.

You could have someone staying in the contest...
..because they truly believe they deserve it over someone else
..because they're an ass
..because they want to prevent that ass from getting a key
..because they have no faith in the design and want to see the keys handed out a better way
...

You could have someone opting out cause...
...they feel they're undeserving compared to the rest.
...they want to appear to be selfless to the community, regarldless if they are or not.
...they didn't check the forums
...they think opt-outers will win despite what HB says since he's made up rules on the fly
...

Basically, whether or not this contest has winners is not telling of a good community. I personally rather see this contest fail.

On April 18 2010 08:32 Bear4188 wrote:
As a newbie, I'm going to try to summarize what the hell is going on here.

1) TL offered up the opportunity for members to nominate anyone in the community who they thought were deserving of a beta key.

2) Some people self nominated. Some are arguably deserving people who wanted to make sure they didn't get overlooked. Others were people who were making their first post a "LOL GIMME A KEY."

3) Members of the community (not just people with an account, but people who've stuck around for awhile) are upset that people are hijacking what was seemingly intended to put keys in the hands of people who would greatly appreciate them.

4) TL creates this thread such that self nominees could either explain themselves or withdraw their nomination upon realizing the real intent of the giveaway.

5) Some new posters see that the contest was not meant to be a raffle, but as an effort to get them to community contributors. They withdraw stating that they misunderstood and might even be interested in partaking in the community in the future

6) The few worthy self nominees see that things have gotten a little out of hand and pull out as well, knowing that they'll still be recognized by their community if they are actually worthy.

7) The rest, having the intent of the nominations explained to them, continue to insist that they are still more deserving of keys earmarked for members of the TL community than contributing members of said community. They are met with derision.

As an aside, to new people claiming the community is unwelcoming:
I am myself a newbie. The difference is I did not come here expecting to be given anything. I came here to watch some of the awesome streams, read the threads, and participate however I can. Without a key I obviously couldn't contribute any meaningful in game knowledge. However, TL is an esports site, and that consists of several things. Even without a key you can contribute as a spectator. There are multiple threads from streamers who want input whether it be questions to be answered, feedback on quality, topics of interest, etc. So, you can still contribute and will find the existing community to be welcoming of you (as evidenced by the keys awarded to myself and 11 other newbies for making an effort to join the community). If you're not at all interested in watching esports than this site probably isn't for you anyway.