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On April 18 2010 08:07 KinkyZergling wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 08:01 Hot_Bid wrote:On April 18 2010 07:56 Cheree wrote:On April 18 2010 07:54 Hot_Bid wrote:On April 18 2010 07:50 3FFA wrote:On April 18 2010 07:44 Slow Motion wrote:On April 18 2010 07:43 3FFA wrote:On April 18 2010 07:40 huameng wrote:On April 18 2010 07:36 3FFA wrote:
I think that TL handled this all wrong though. Why no drawing at all? That makes it so that there is no point in this. You could've at least selected some more users that are great contributors(like in the news post) instead of doing this. Now that I realize whats happening for real I just wish I hadn't nominated myself at all. -.- I'm starting to wonder why I should trust TL's staff at all anymore.
edit: edited for change of meaning. Why do you think all the keys from the nomination thread are being used in this contest? Ya but I didn't realize how they would handle the contest. This is just cruel. They should have just said that you can't nominate yourself instead of "and yes, you can nominate yourself". Nah, they're just trying to extract as much amusement from the keys as possible while giving them away. Good entertainment for the rest of us. Ya but for those who opted-in its just cruel and mean. I might've expected this from the normal users but not the STAFF! =( I think you're taking this way too seriously. A lot of new users have posted and interacted a lot in this thread, and as a result we've gotten to know them much better. That's a positive side effect we can take away from this regardless of what happens. And we've gotten to know the staff a lot better as well. I don't understand, are you trying to be passive aggressive or something here? Because throughout this entire thread I've not bashed one user for self-nomination nor have I attacked anyone for not opting out. This thread is a fun competition where users who wouldn't have gotten keys get opportunities to get keys. It's also generated many pages of discussion and as a result we know a lot of users better. A fun competition? dude this is a blood thirst over a beta key, I'm Sure some people are dieing to get their hands on one, and i wouldn't be surprised if fowl play pops up. Regardless your attacks on some of these new guys is quite saddening
can you quote a post were hot_bid attacks someone?
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On April 18 2010 08:02 Cheree wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 07:56 phlamez wrote:
Some food for thought. Imagine you're on a lifeboat with a maximum capacity of 30 people and currently there are 60. You have to self opt yourselves to drown in order to save others and if none of you choose to do so you'll all drown. Do you want to do nothing and hope that other people are better human beings than you or take responsibility over your own fate and do something that might actually matter.
Once again someone with a bad analogy. The keys won't be destroyed if people don't opt out. People won't drown if people don't sacrifice themselves. They'll just find a better way of deciding who gets the keys/lifeboat seat. Wanting this contest to fail is the best course of action imo, cause the process of determining who gets a key is fucked up and doesn't even match with the intention of picking who's the most deserving.
Read the entire post before commenting.
1. Its an analogy, are you serious? People won't drown if they don't opt out of this contest? Really? I had no idea when I suggested that the situation would be similar that no one was drowning in this contest. My bad.
2. The intentions do match up, the intention has always been to promote community, initially this was through rewarding those who have contributed to this community, now its through demonstrating that when it comes down to it we can still behave as a community and be truly happy for others in this community to have keys.
3. Read my original post, the keys may not be destroyed if the people don't opt out, but our sense of community will certainly take a hit. Maybe I'm the only person who feels this way but I will certainly think a lot less of TL and of the people belonging to it if the people in this thread can't look beyond their own self interests.
4. You don't seem to get that the situation has changed, it's not simply a question of who gets keys anymore, its about how people behave when presented with this situation. The beta isn't going to last forever, everyone will get to play the game at some point, who gets or who doesn't get a key will have little impact, how you all behave today will have a much more lasting impression.
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I sort of regret for not nominating myself, although I doubt enough people will opt out, I'm still missing out on a opportunity. But oh well, I just hope TL gets some more keys in the future. They should at least, considering the size of this site, 50 isn't all that many.
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On April 18 2010 08:07 KinkyZergling wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 08:01 Hot_Bid wrote:On April 18 2010 07:56 Cheree wrote:On April 18 2010 07:54 Hot_Bid wrote:On April 18 2010 07:50 3FFA wrote:On April 18 2010 07:44 Slow Motion wrote:On April 18 2010 07:43 3FFA wrote:On April 18 2010 07:40 huameng wrote:On April 18 2010 07:36 3FFA wrote:
I think that TL handled this all wrong though. Why no drawing at all? That makes it so that there is no point in this. You could've at least selected some more users that are great contributors(like in the news post) instead of doing this. Now that I realize whats happening for real I just wish I hadn't nominated myself at all. -.- I'm starting to wonder why I should trust TL's staff at all anymore.
edit: edited for change of meaning. Why do you think all the keys from the nomination thread are being used in this contest? Ya but I didn't realize how they would handle the contest. This is just cruel. They should have just said that you can't nominate yourself instead of "and yes, you can nominate yourself". Nah, they're just trying to extract as much amusement from the keys as possible while giving them away. Good entertainment for the rest of us. Ya but for those who opted-in its just cruel and mean. I might've expected this from the normal users but not the STAFF! =( I think you're taking this way too seriously. A lot of new users have posted and interacted a lot in this thread, and as a result we've gotten to know them much better. That's a positive side effect we can take away from this regardless of what happens. And we've gotten to know the staff a lot better as well. I don't understand, are you trying to be passive aggressive or something here? Because throughout this entire thread I've not bashed one user for self-nomination nor have I attacked anyone for not opting out. This thread is a fun competition where users who wouldn't have gotten keys get opportunities to get keys. It's also generated many pages of discussion and as a result we know a lot of users better. A fun competition? dude this is a blood thirst over a beta key, I'm Sure some people are dieing to get their hands on one, and i wouldn't be surprised if fowl play pops up. Regardless your attacks on some of these new guys is quite saddening
Fowl play haha~ "Are you too chicken to opt out??"
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I don't see an issue with people nominating themselves. But how many people on that list can honestly say 'I deserve this more than anyone else I can possibly think of'. Even if someone is deserving of it I'm quite certain they would have the modestly not to nominate themselves.
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We really do need to realize how great this opportunity was to begin with. It could have never happened in the first place.
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On April 18 2010 08:09 phlamez wrote:
......... it's not simply a question of who gets keys anymore, its about how people behave when presented with this situation. The beta isn't going to last forever, everyone will get to play the game at some point, who gets or who doesn't get a key will have little impact, how you all behave today will have a much more lasting impression.
This, however, it works both ways, those who nominated themselves as well as those who bash them.
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CA10828 Posts
On April 18 2010 08:09 phlamez wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 08:02 Cheree wrote:On April 18 2010 07:56 phlamez wrote:
Some food for thought. Imagine you're on a lifeboat with a maximum capacity of 30 people and currently there are 60. You have to self opt yourselves to drown in order to save others and if none of you choose to do so you'll all drown. Do you want to do nothing and hope that other people are better human beings than you or take responsibility over your own fate and do something that might actually matter.
Once again someone with a bad analogy. The keys won't be destroyed if people don't opt out. People won't drown if people don't sacrifice themselves. They'll just find a better way of deciding who gets the keys/lifeboat seat. Wanting this contest to fail is the best course of action imo, cause the process of determining who gets a key is fucked up and doesn't even match with the intention of picking who's the most deserving. Read the entire post before commenting. 1. Its an analogy, are you serious? People won't drown if they don't opt out of this contest? Really? I had no idea when I suggested that the situation would be similar that no one was drowning in this contest. My bad. 2. The intentions do match up, the intention has always been to promote community, initially this was through rewarding those who have contributed to this community, now its through demonstrating that when it comes down to it we can still behave as a community and be truly happy for others in this community to have keys. 3. Read my original post, the keys may not be destroyed if the people don't opt out, but our sense of community will certainly take a hit. Maybe I'm the only person who feels this way but I will certainly think a lot less of TL and of the people belonging to it if the people in this thread can't look beyond their own self interests. 4. You don't seem to get that the situation has changed, it's not simply a question of who gets keys anymore, its about how people behave when presented with this situation. The beta isn't going to last forever, everyone will get to play the game at some point, who gets or who doesn't get a key will have little impact, how you all behave today will have a much more lasting impression.
while i agree with most of your sentiments i disagree with #3. the sense of community will not take a hit. the vast majority of the self-nominators are people who you and i have never heard of before. they may be a registered member of teamliquid.net but they are not yet part of the community. there is a clear distinction there that people need to be aware of.
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On April 18 2010 08:01 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 07:56 Cheree wrote:On April 18 2010 07:54 Hot_Bid wrote:On April 18 2010 07:50 3FFA wrote:On April 18 2010 07:44 Slow Motion wrote:On April 18 2010 07:43 3FFA wrote:On April 18 2010 07:40 huameng wrote:On April 18 2010 07:36 3FFA wrote:
I think that TL handled this all wrong though. Why no drawing at all? That makes it so that there is no point in this. You could've at least selected some more users that are great contributors(like in the news post) instead of doing this. Now that I realize whats happening for real I just wish I hadn't nominated myself at all. -.- I'm starting to wonder why I should trust TL's staff at all anymore.
edit: edited for change of meaning. Why do you think all the keys from the nomination thread are being used in this contest? Ya but I didn't realize how they would handle the contest. This is just cruel. They should have just said that you can't nominate yourself instead of "and yes, you can nominate yourself". Nah, they're just trying to extract as much amusement from the keys as possible while giving them away. Good entertainment for the rest of us. Ya but for those who opted-in its just cruel and mean. I might've expected this from the normal users but not the STAFF! =( I think you're taking this way too seriously. A lot of new users have posted and interacted a lot in this thread, and as a result we've gotten to know them much better. That's a positive side effect we can take away from this regardless of what happens. And we've gotten to know the staff a lot better as well. I don't understand, are you trying to be passive aggressive or something here? Because throughout this entire thread I've not bashed one user for self-nomination nor have I attacked anyone for not opting out. This thread is a fun competition where users who wouldn't have gotten keys get opportunities to get keys. It's also generated many pages of discussion and as a result we know a lot of users better.
I'm not talking about your posts, but your design. This contest is designed to fail from the get go, whether intentional or not. It doesn't even fit with the original intention of giving keys to those who are most deserving. It's misleading. The discourse of 'help someone else get a key' by opting out is also misleading. People will get these keys regardless, either in this contest or another contest. People opting out are only doing themselves a diservice. If the candidates really wanted to be selfless, they would make this contest fail so a better contest would be made or actually win and give their key to someone they think is most deserving, cause this contest certainly doesnt do that.
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On April 18 2010 08:08 LosingID8 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 08:07 KinkyZergling wrote:On April 18 2010 08:01 Hot_Bid wrote:On April 18 2010 07:56 Cheree wrote:On April 18 2010 07:54 Hot_Bid wrote:On April 18 2010 07:50 3FFA wrote:On April 18 2010 07:44 Slow Motion wrote:On April 18 2010 07:43 3FFA wrote:On April 18 2010 07:40 huameng wrote:On April 18 2010 07:36 3FFA wrote:
I think that TL handled this all wrong though. Why no drawing at all? That makes it so that there is no point in this. You could've at least selected some more users that are great contributors(like in the news post) instead of doing this. Now that I realize whats happening for real I just wish I hadn't nominated myself at all. -.- I'm starting to wonder why I should trust TL's staff at all anymore.
edit: edited for change of meaning. Why do you think all the keys from the nomination thread are being used in this contest? Ya but I didn't realize how they would handle the contest. This is just cruel. They should have just said that you can't nominate yourself instead of "and yes, you can nominate yourself". Nah, they're just trying to extract as much amusement from the keys as possible while giving them away. Good entertainment for the rest of us. Ya but for those who opted-in its just cruel and mean. I might've expected this from the normal users but not the STAFF! =( I think you're taking this way too seriously. A lot of new users have posted and interacted a lot in this thread, and as a result we've gotten to know them much better. That's a positive side effect we can take away from this regardless of what happens. And we've gotten to know the staff a lot better as well. I don't understand, are you trying to be passive aggressive or something here? Because throughout this entire thread I've not bashed one user for self-nomination nor have I attacked anyone for not opting out. This thread is a fun competition where users who wouldn't have gotten keys get opportunities to get keys. It's also generated many pages of discussion and as a result we know a lot of users better. A fun competition? dude this is a blood thirst over a beta key, I'm Sure some people are dieing to get their hands on one, and i wouldn't be surprised if fowl play pops up. Regardless your attacks on some of these new guys is quite saddening can you quote a post were hot_bid attacks someone?
direct attack naming a specific person never, hes to smart for that
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Hopefully the keys go to the people who deserved a self-nomination rather than the selfish pricks who stayed in. Should make for an interesting thread though.
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On April 18 2010 08:12 NightOfTheDead wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 08:09 phlamez wrote:
......... it's not simply a question of who gets keys anymore, its about how people behave when presented with this situation. The beta isn't going to last forever, everyone will get to play the game at some point, who gets or who doesn't get a key will have little impact, how you all behave today will have a much more lasting impression.
This, however, it works both ways, those who nominated themselves as well as those who bash them.
I am fine with people who chose to nominate themselves. I don't believe that to be nearly as egregious as continuing to remain on that list when it goes against the reason why we have these keys in the first place.
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On April 18 2010 08:10 synapse wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 08:07 KinkyZergling wrote:On April 18 2010 08:01 Hot_Bid wrote:On April 18 2010 07:56 Cheree wrote:On April 18 2010 07:54 Hot_Bid wrote:On April 18 2010 07:50 3FFA wrote:On April 18 2010 07:44 Slow Motion wrote:On April 18 2010 07:43 3FFA wrote:On April 18 2010 07:40 huameng wrote:On April 18 2010 07:36 3FFA wrote:
I think that TL handled this all wrong though. Why no drawing at all? That makes it so that there is no point in this. You could've at least selected some more users that are great contributors(like in the news post) instead of doing this. Now that I realize whats happening for real I just wish I hadn't nominated myself at all. -.- I'm starting to wonder why I should trust TL's staff at all anymore.
edit: edited for change of meaning. Why do you think all the keys from the nomination thread are being used in this contest? Ya but I didn't realize how they would handle the contest. This is just cruel. They should have just said that you can't nominate yourself instead of "and yes, you can nominate yourself". Nah, they're just trying to extract as much amusement from the keys as possible while giving them away. Good entertainment for the rest of us. Ya but for those who opted-in its just cruel and mean. I might've expected this from the normal users but not the STAFF! =( I think you're taking this way too seriously. A lot of new users have posted and interacted a lot in this thread, and as a result we've gotten to know them much better. That's a positive side effect we can take away from this regardless of what happens. And we've gotten to know the staff a lot better as well. I don't understand, are you trying to be passive aggressive or something here? Because throughout this entire thread I've not bashed one user for self-nomination nor have I attacked anyone for not opting out. This thread is a fun competition where users who wouldn't have gotten keys get opportunities to get keys. It's also generated many pages of discussion and as a result we know a lot of users better. A fun competition? dude this is a blood thirst over a beta key, I'm Sure some people are dieing to get their hands on one, and i wouldn't be surprised if fowl play pops up. Regardless your attacks on some of these new guys is quite saddening Fowl play haha~ "Are you too chicken to opt out??"
LOLOL
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On April 18 2010 08:13 LosingID8 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 08:09 phlamez wrote:On April 18 2010 08:02 Cheree wrote:On April 18 2010 07:56 phlamez wrote:
Some food for thought. Imagine you're on a lifeboat with a maximum capacity of 30 people and currently there are 60. You have to self opt yourselves to drown in order to save others and if none of you choose to do so you'll all drown. Do you want to do nothing and hope that other people are better human beings than you or take responsibility over your own fate and do something that might actually matter.
Once again someone with a bad analogy. The keys won't be destroyed if people don't opt out. People won't drown if people don't sacrifice themselves. They'll just find a better way of deciding who gets the keys/lifeboat seat. Wanting this contest to fail is the best course of action imo, cause the process of determining who gets a key is fucked up and doesn't even match with the intention of picking who's the most deserving. Read the entire post before commenting. 1. Its an analogy, are you serious? People won't drown if they don't opt out of this contest? Really? I had no idea when I suggested that the situation would be similar that no one was drowning in this contest. My bad. 2. The intentions do match up, the intention has always been to promote community, initially this was through rewarding those who have contributed to this community, now its through demonstrating that when it comes down to it we can still behave as a community and be truly happy for others in this community to have keys. 3. Read my original post, the keys may not be destroyed if the people don't opt out, but our sense of community will certainly take a hit. Maybe I'm the only person who feels this way but I will certainly think a lot less of TL and of the people belonging to it if the people in this thread can't look beyond their own self interests. 4. You don't seem to get that the situation has changed, it's not simply a question of who gets keys anymore, its about how people behave when presented with this situation. The beta isn't going to last forever, everyone will get to play the game at some point, who gets or who doesn't get a key will have little impact, how you all behave today will have a much more lasting impression. while i agree with most of your sentiments i disagree with #3. the sense of community will not take a hit. the vast majority of the self-nominators are people who you and i have never heard of before. they may be a registered member of teamliquid.net but they are not yet part of the community. there is a clear distinction there that people need to be aware of.
Yeah I'll agree with that.
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On April 18 2010 08:14 Moodwen wrote:
Hopefully the keys go to the people who deserved a self-nomination rather than the selfish pricks who stayed in. Should make for an interesting thread though.
so many people are saying this, but it seems quite silly to me.
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On April 18 2010 08:13 LosingID8 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 08:09 phlamez wrote:On April 18 2010 08:02 Cheree wrote:On April 18 2010 07:56 phlamez wrote:
Some food for thought. Imagine you're on a lifeboat with a maximum capacity of 30 people and currently there are 60. You have to self opt yourselves to drown in order to save others and if none of you choose to do so you'll all drown. Do you want to do nothing and hope that other people are better human beings than you or take responsibility over your own fate and do something that might actually matter.
Once again someone with a bad analogy. The keys won't be destroyed if people don't opt out. People won't drown if people don't sacrifice themselves. They'll just find a better way of deciding who gets the keys/lifeboat seat. Wanting this contest to fail is the best course of action imo, cause the process of determining who gets a key is fucked up and doesn't even match with the intention of picking who's the most deserving. Read the entire post before commenting. 1. Its an analogy, are you serious? People won't drown if they don't opt out of this contest? Really? I had no idea when I suggested that the situation would be similar that no one was drowning in this contest. My bad. 2. The intentions do match up, the intention has always been to promote community, initially this was through rewarding those who have contributed to this community, now its through demonstrating that when it comes down to it we can still behave as a community and be truly happy for others in this community to have keys. 3. Read my original post, the keys may not be destroyed if the people don't opt out, but our sense of community will certainly take a hit. Maybe I'm the only person who feels this way but I will certainly think a lot less of TL and of the people belonging to it if the people in this thread can't look beyond their own self interests. 4. You don't seem to get that the situation has changed, it's not simply a question of who gets keys anymore, its about how people behave when presented with this situation. The beta isn't going to last forever, everyone will get to play the game at some point, who gets or who doesn't get a key will have little impact, how you all behave today will have a much more lasting impression. while i agree with most of your sentiments i disagree with #3. the sense of community will not take a hit. the vast majority of the self-nominators are people who you and i have never heard of before. they may be a registered member of teamliquid.net but they are not yet part of the community. there is a clear distinction there that people need to be aware of.
The funny part is that this contest was designed to help the users who would otherwise not really have a chance at getting a key through their community merits. It's hard enough to pick between the dozens of worthy posters let alone the countless unknowns.
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On April 18 2010 08:09 phlamez wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 08:02 Cheree wrote:On April 18 2010 07:56 phlamez wrote:
Some food for thought. Imagine you're on a lifeboat with a maximum capacity of 30 people and currently there are 60. You have to self opt yourselves to drown in order to save others and if none of you choose to do so you'll all drown. Do you want to do nothing and hope that other people are better human beings than you or take responsibility over your own fate and do something that might actually matter.
Once again someone with a bad analogy. The keys won't be destroyed if people don't opt out. People won't drown if people don't sacrifice themselves. They'll just find a better way of deciding who gets the keys/lifeboat seat. Wanting this contest to fail is the best course of action imo, cause the process of determining who gets a key is fucked up and doesn't even match with the intention of picking who's the most deserving. Read the entire post before commenting. 1. Its an analogy, are you serious? People won't drown if they don't opt out of this contest? Really? I had no idea when I suggested that the situation would be similar that no one was drowning in this contest. My bad. 2. The intentions do match up, the intention has always been to promote community, initially this was through rewarding those who have contributed to this community, now its through demonstrating that when it comes down to it we can still behave as a community and be truly happy for others in this community to have keys. 3. Read my original post, the keys may not be destroyed if the people don't opt out, but our sense of community will certainly take a hit. Maybe I'm the only person who feels this way but I will certainly think a lot less of TL and of the people belonging to it if the people in this thread can't look beyond their own self interests. 4. You don't seem to get that the situation has changed, it's not simply a question of who gets keys anymore, its about how people behave when presented with this situation. The beta isn't going to last forever, everyone will get to play the game at some point, who gets or who doesn't get a key will have little impact, how you all behave today will have a much more lasting impression.
About 1, you were the one who brought up the analogy where drowning would be the equivalent of no one wins, when in fact that is not the case. If no one wins, the keys will be distributed again.
2. The intention was to give people who are most deserving the key. People have various reasons for staying or opting out, not necessarily because they want to promote community. If there's one bad apple, which there is bound to be, the whole intention of the contest goes tits up.
3. The contest was designed to fail from the start, I don't see how you could expect it to succeed. In the perfect world, those who dont think they deserve the key would step down in favor of those who do. In reality, that's not true. So even if this contest ends up with winners, they won't be the most deserving like intended and leave a bad taste in the mouths of those who were more deserving than them.
4. In the long run, it will have little impact. TL has a chance of showing what kind of community they promote, yet this contest is pitting people against eachother and those who are selfless are not the ones being rewarded if this contest succeeds.
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As a newbie, I'm going to try to summarize what the hell is going on here.
1) TL offered up the opportunity for members to nominate anyone in the community who they thought were deserving of a beta key.
2) Some people self nominated. Some are arguably deserving people who wanted to make sure they didn't get overlooked. Others were people who were making their first post a "LOL GIMME A KEY."
3) Members of the community (not just people with an account, but people who've stuck around for awhile) are upset that people are hijacking what was seemingly intended to put keys in the hands of people who would greatly appreciate them.
4) TL creates this thread such that self nominees could either explain themselves or withdraw their nomination upon realizing the real intent of the giveaway.
5) Some new posters see that the contest was not meant to be a raffle, but as an effort to get them to community contributors. They withdraw stating that they misunderstood and might even be interested in partaking in the community in the future 
6) The few worthy self nominees see that things have gotten a little out of hand and pull out as well, knowing that they'll still be recognized by their community if they are actually worthy.
7) The rest, having the intent of the nominations explained to them, continue to insist that they are still more deserving of keys earmarked for members of the TL community than contributing members of said community. They are met with derision.
As an aside, to new people claiming the community is unwelcoming:
I am myself a newbie. The difference is I did not come here expecting to be given anything. I came here to watch some of the awesome streams, read the threads, and participate however I can. Without a key I obviously couldn't contribute any meaningful in game knowledge. However, TL is an esports site, and that consists of several things. Even without a key you can contribute as a spectator. There are multiple threads from streamers who want input whether it be questions to be answered, feedback on quality, topics of interest, etc. So, you can still contribute and will find the existing community to be welcoming of you (as evidenced by the keys awarded to myself and 11 other newbies for making an effort to join the community). If you're not at all interested in watching esports than this site probably isn't for you anyway.
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On April 18 2010 07:48 Hot_Bid wrote:
How is everyone so sure how many keys we have to give away for this? We haven't revealed how many we allocated, and I said earlier the number is much larger than people expect.
Mostly because, unless by some hilarious coincidence Blizzard sent another truckload, you're bound by the original 50 recieved, and already more than 50 people have decided to stay in. I can see the new rules being added all the time in an attempt to cull the pool, but unless you've secured a new source of keys I don't see this happening.
EDIT: Holy shit, that's it. HB has a hidden expo up somewhere. :O
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i think its funny mad peeps think watching streams or loving/playing starcraft is "contributing". helping others is contributing. doing work 4 the site is contributing. entertaining urself by doing something u choose to do is not contributing. simply existing on a website is not "contributing".
its like going to some1s house, not talking to the ppl there, watching the TV that they bought, eating the food they made, and then saying "ur welcome every1, no need 2 thank me just gimme a beta key"
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