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On April 18 2010 07:37 Ilikestarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 07:26 zTz wrote:Oh shit baller, that makes so much sense... ( to quote you ) Lol good analogy. I think everyone is analyzing what TL is offering a little too much. Iv had this TL account since '03 but I'm not the bigges forum poster...obviously. Speaking for myself, which I think goes for a lot of other people in the SC community that are on TL.net 24/7, reading liquipedia, following calendar events, strats... Just getting their fixes from the local SC drugdealer, TL, who we love so dearly.I'm on the site all day! I myself am writing this from work, from my iPhone... Just because someone doesn't have 10k posts or is well known doesn't mean they are not members of the community. How mean to say so  which brings me to my next point... I should really get back out into the plant where I inspect the quality and safety of vegetables you and Your families are consuming... All the more reason to give me a key. I can see it now: "Food inspector let's e-coli hit the shelves, reason: he didn't get a Starcraft 2 beta key from TeamLiquid.net" ... No i'd never do that  honestly regardless of join date if you dont contribute on this site in some way or another you're a leech. And im saying this because i am a leech myself. You're taking everything with nothing in return. Even saying thank you to contributors is helpful. If you ask some of the contributors and ask them why they stream, translate, etc they'll answer i do it for the people that say thanks.
my thanks is implied when I utilize the resources bein provided and speaking actively in streams and providing links to others. I understand manners and saying thank you to someone, but do they really want an endless list o unsubstantial dribble on their threads that others trying to use their resources have to scroll through to find something useful from the next contributor?
I hate having to try and figure out which of the 30 + pages are useful in a conversation about strats or anything else I'm looking up and absorbing from TL.net
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On April 18 2010 07:44 Slow Motion wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 07:43 3FFA wrote:On April 18 2010 07:40 huameng wrote:On April 18 2010 07:36 3FFA wrote:
I think that TL handled this all wrong though. Why no drawing at all? That makes it so that there is no point in this. You could've at least selected some more users that are great contributors(like in the news post) instead of doing this. Now that I realize whats happening for real I just wish I hadn't nominated myself at all. -.- I'm starting to wonder why I should trust TL's staff at all anymore.
edit: edited for change of meaning. Why do you think all the keys from the nomination thread are being used in this contest? Ya but I didn't realize how they would handle the contest. This is just cruel. They should have just said that you can't nominate yourself instead of "and yes, you can nominate yourself". Nah, they're just trying to extract as much amusement from the keys as possible while giving them away. Good entertainment for the rest of us.
Ya but for those who opted-in its just cruel and mean. I might've expected this from the normal users but not the STAFF! =(
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On April 18 2010 07:50 3FFA wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 07:44 Slow Motion wrote:On April 18 2010 07:43 3FFA wrote:On April 18 2010 07:40 huameng wrote:On April 18 2010 07:36 3FFA wrote:
I think that TL handled this all wrong though. Why no drawing at all? That makes it so that there is no point in this. You could've at least selected some more users that are great contributors(like in the news post) instead of doing this. Now that I realize whats happening for real I just wish I hadn't nominated myself at all. -.- I'm starting to wonder why I should trust TL's staff at all anymore.
edit: edited for change of meaning. Why do you think all the keys from the nomination thread are being used in this contest? Ya but I didn't realize how they would handle the contest. This is just cruel. They should have just said that you can't nominate yourself instead of "and yes, you can nominate yourself". Nah, they're just trying to extract as much amusement from the keys as possible while giving them away. Good entertainment for the rest of us. Ya but for those who opted-in its just cruel and mean. I might've expected this from the normal users but not the STAFF! =(
welcome to 100 posts ago 
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On April 18 2010 07:53 NightOfTheDead wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 07:50 3FFA wrote:On April 18 2010 07:44 Slow Motion wrote:On April 18 2010 07:43 3FFA wrote:On April 18 2010 07:40 huameng wrote:On April 18 2010 07:36 3FFA wrote:
I think that TL handled this all wrong though. Why no drawing at all? That makes it so that there is no point in this. You could've at least selected some more users that are great contributors(like in the news post) instead of doing this. Now that I realize whats happening for real I just wish I hadn't nominated myself at all. -.- I'm starting to wonder why I should trust TL's staff at all anymore.
edit: edited for change of meaning. Why do you think all the keys from the nomination thread are being used in this contest? Ya but I didn't realize how they would handle the contest. This is just cruel. They should have just said that you can't nominate yourself instead of "and yes, you can nominate yourself". Nah, they're just trying to extract as much amusement from the keys as possible while giving them away. Good entertainment for the rest of us. Ya but for those who opted-in its just cruel and mean. I might've expected this from the normal users but not the STAFF! =( welcome to 100 posts ago
Its been only 100 posts? lol.
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Braavos36390 Posts
On April 18 2010 07:50 3FFA wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 07:44 Slow Motion wrote:On April 18 2010 07:43 3FFA wrote:On April 18 2010 07:40 huameng wrote:On April 18 2010 07:36 3FFA wrote:
I think that TL handled this all wrong though. Why no drawing at all? That makes it so that there is no point in this. You could've at least selected some more users that are great contributors(like in the news post) instead of doing this. Now that I realize whats happening for real I just wish I hadn't nominated myself at all. -.- I'm starting to wonder why I should trust TL's staff at all anymore.
edit: edited for change of meaning. Why do you think all the keys from the nomination thread are being used in this contest? Ya but I didn't realize how they would handle the contest. This is just cruel. They should have just said that you can't nominate yourself instead of "and yes, you can nominate yourself". Nah, they're just trying to extract as much amusement from the keys as possible while giving them away. Good entertainment for the rest of us. Ya but for those who opted-in its just cruel and mean. I might've expected this from the normal users but not the STAFF! =(
I think you're taking this way too seriously. A lot of new users have posted and interacted a lot in this thread, and as a result we've gotten to know them much better. That's a positive side effect we can take away from this regardless of what happens.
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On April 18 2010 07:48 zTz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 07:37 Ilikestarcraft wrote:On April 18 2010 07:26 zTz wrote:Oh shit baller, that makes so much sense... ( to quote you ) Lol good analogy. I think everyone is analyzing what TL is offering a little too much. Iv had this TL account since '03 but I'm not the bigges forum poster...obviously. Speaking for myself, which I think goes for a lot of other people in the SC community that are on TL.net 24/7, reading liquipedia, following calendar events, strats... Just getting their fixes from the local SC drugdealer, TL, who we love so dearly.I'm on the site all day! I myself am writing this from work, from my iPhone... Just because someone doesn't have 10k posts or is well known doesn't mean they are not members of the community. How mean to say so which brings me to my next point... I should really get back out into the plant where I inspect the quality and safety of vegetables you and Your families are consuming... All the more reason to give me a key. I can see it now: "Food inspector let's e-coli hit the shelves, reason: he didn't get a Starcraft 2 beta key from TeamLiquid.net" ... No i'd never do that honestly regardless of join date if you dont contribute on this site in some way or another you're a leech. And im saying this because i am a leech myself. You're taking everything with nothing in return. Even saying thank you to contributors is helpful. If you ask some of the contributors and ask them why they stream, translate, etc they'll answer i do it for the people that say thanks. my thanks is implied when I utilize the resources bein provided and speaking actively in streams and providing links to others. I understand manners and saying thank you to someone, but do they really want an endless list o unsubstantial dribble on their threads that others trying to use their resources have to scroll through to find something useful from the next contributor? I hate having to try and figure out which of the 30 + pages are useful in a conversation about strats or anything else I'm looking up and absorbing from TL.net
It was just an example of something small you can do. And i don't think your thanks is implied with just using the resources. Its like when the chinese community links to our streams.
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On April 18 2010 05:46 IndecisivePenguin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 05:37 phlamez wrote:
If no one gets keys it'll honestly be embarrassing. This competition isn't "cruel" as people keep saying, it wasn't created to foster animosity or to prove a point about selfishness. TL is built around its community, from the people who stream or contribute in other ways, to the people who have been around forever with thousands of posts, to the people who lurk in every thread never feeling compelled to contribute their own opinion. While some of you might think that some of those above categories are more deserving of keys than the others, none of those groups are responsible for the keys that are being given out. The reason why TL has keys to give out in the first place is because it's a community site, and that community isn't simply a sum of the constituent parts. This wouldn't be a community if all we cared about were the people we knew personally, or the people who helped contribute the most. What makes it a community is our ability to empathize with other members we may not know very well based solely on their shared participation of TL.
Do everyone a favor and take yourself off the list, who cares if the keys go to people who have only posted a few times, be happy for your fellow TLer regardless of if its your best friend or someone you've never heard of. Today, let teamliquid be the only thing you share with the person you help, and let it be enough. I know a lot of you believe that you a very deserving because of your specific situation, and while I agree that you may be in a deserving situation, until you cross your name off you will never be a deserving person. You make a very valid point. Believe me, I have been turning this decision repeatedly in my mind, whether or not to withdraw from this list of names. I believe you are correct in your analysis of what TL should be. I believe you are correct in the honor of being selfless so that another member may enjoy the key, maintaining TL as enough of a bond to justify this act. I just have two problems. First, many people who crossed off their names aren't doing so because they really want someone else to enjoy their key. Some of them just don't want the scorn by their fellow members. Like you said, TL is a community, and to have your community look down upon you as a group is not a fun position to be in. I really do appreciate each of you that have removed yourselves because of selflessness. You guys make me smile.  Secondly, it almost undermines the concept of the OP. The idea was to nominate who we believed would be deserving of getting a key. However, if we are to rely on the principle of giving the keys to any one on TL to enjoy, then it should have been a random drawing instead. That way we could all have an equal opportunity to enjoy this key, and be equally shared in the joy of any member getting that key. I appreciate the insight, I don't think anyone else has addressed the issue in your perspective yet. All in all, I hope this experience becomes a positive one for TL.
Answering your two problems
In response to your first
1. It doesn't matter what the intentions of the people who did cross themselves off the list were. Your decision to act shouldn't be based on the rational of others, it should be based on your situation. It's not an excuse that other people may have only crossed their names because they cared about how they would be perceived by others, at least some number of those people did it because they care about this community, and if you don't do the same you should take responsibility for making that decision.
2. Not removing yourself from the list is a blatant smack in the face to what this community represents. It shows that when push comes to shove we still behave as self interested individuals and not a tight knit community who share in the happiness of each other. Say what you will about others, but your decision to keep your name on the list reflects how you prioritize this community against your own myopic self interests.
In response to your second
1. The spirit of the OP was to reward those who we believed contributed most to this community. It's purpose was to recognize those who help make TL, TL. The goal was always to promote community, what's changed is the way in which we do so. The situation now isn't only about who gets keys, it's more than that, it's about whether this thread will encourage people to act like a community or act like children.
2. What you aren't taking into account is the concept behind this thread. This thread wasn't created to punish you, it was created on the belief that we are a community.
Some food for thought. Imagine you're on a lifeboat with a maximum capacity of 30 people and currently there are 60. You have to self opt yourselves to drown in order to save others and if none of you choose to do so you'll all drown. Do you want to do nothing and hope that other people are better human beings than you or take responsibility over your own fate and do something that might actually matter.
Feel free to keep arguing your point, but its just an excuse to make yourself feel better about a choice your unwilling to make. When the next TSL rolls around, ask yourself what you've done to deserve everything this community has offered you. You have the unique opportunity now to change what that answer will be.
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On April 18 2010 07:50 3FFA wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 07:44 Slow Motion wrote:On April 18 2010 07:43 3FFA wrote:On April 18 2010 07:40 huameng wrote:On April 18 2010 07:36 3FFA wrote:
I think that TL handled this all wrong though. Why no drawing at all? That makes it so that there is no point in this. You could've at least selected some more users that are great contributors(like in the news post) instead of doing this. Now that I realize whats happening for real I just wish I hadn't nominated myself at all. -.- I'm starting to wonder why I should trust TL's staff at all anymore.
edit: edited for change of meaning. Why do you think all the keys from the nomination thread are being used in this contest? Ya but I didn't realize how they would handle the contest. This is just cruel. They should have just said that you can't nominate yourself instead of "and yes, you can nominate yourself". Nah, they're just trying to extract as much amusement from the keys as possible while giving them away. Good entertainment for the rest of us. Ya but for those who opted-in its just cruel and mean. I might've expected this from the normal users but not the STAFF! =(
Why would you think that they would just be like "HAVE A BETA KEY!" when you signed up for teamliquid? Why no drawing? Cause they want to see the people that would stick around on teamliquid.net.
How is this cruel or mean, please explain that to me.
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On April 18 2010 07:54 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 07:50 3FFA wrote:On April 18 2010 07:44 Slow Motion wrote:On April 18 2010 07:43 3FFA wrote:On April 18 2010 07:40 huameng wrote:On April 18 2010 07:36 3FFA wrote:
I think that TL handled this all wrong though. Why no drawing at all? That makes it so that there is no point in this. You could've at least selected some more users that are great contributors(like in the news post) instead of doing this. Now that I realize whats happening for real I just wish I hadn't nominated myself at all. -.- I'm starting to wonder why I should trust TL's staff at all anymore.
edit: edited for change of meaning. Why do you think all the keys from the nomination thread are being used in this contest? Ya but I didn't realize how they would handle the contest. This is just cruel. They should have just said that you can't nominate yourself instead of "and yes, you can nominate yourself". Nah, they're just trying to extract as much amusement from the keys as possible while giving them away. Good entertainment for the rest of us. Ya but for those who opted-in its just cruel and mean. I might've expected this from the normal users but not the STAFF! =( I think you're taking this way too seriously. A lot of new users have posted and interacted a lot in this thread, and as a result we've gotten to know them much better. That's a positive side effect we can take away from this regardless of what happens.
And we've gotten to know the staff a lot better as well.
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On April 18 2010 07:54 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 07:50 3FFA wrote:On April 18 2010 07:44 Slow Motion wrote:On April 18 2010 07:43 3FFA wrote:On April 18 2010 07:40 huameng wrote:On April 18 2010 07:36 3FFA wrote:
I think that TL handled this all wrong though. Why no drawing at all? That makes it so that there is no point in this. You could've at least selected some more users that are great contributors(like in the news post) instead of doing this. Now that I realize whats happening for real I just wish I hadn't nominated myself at all. -.- I'm starting to wonder why I should trust TL's staff at all anymore.
edit: edited for change of meaning. Why do you think all the keys from the nomination thread are being used in this contest? Ya but I didn't realize how they would handle the contest. This is just cruel. They should have just said that you can't nominate yourself instead of "and yes, you can nominate yourself". Nah, they're just trying to extract as much amusement from the keys as possible while giving them away. Good entertainment for the rest of us. Ya but for those who opted-in its just cruel and mean. I might've expected this from the normal users but not the STAFF! =( I think you're taking this way too seriously. A lot of new users have posted and interacted a lot in this thread, and as a result we've gotten to know them much better. That's a positive side effect we can take away from this regardless of what happens.
Man some people take it as a real insult that they haven't gotten a key and that others do or even have a chance to, lol. I thought this was all about fun but a lot of people don't seem to be having any.
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i'm going with 88. that's how many people will be left in the list at the end of 48 hours.
88 is also the miles per hour it takes to travel through time.
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Braavos36390 Posts
On April 18 2010 07:56 Cheree wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 07:54 Hot_Bid wrote:On April 18 2010 07:50 3FFA wrote:On April 18 2010 07:44 Slow Motion wrote:On April 18 2010 07:43 3FFA wrote:On April 18 2010 07:40 huameng wrote:On April 18 2010 07:36 3FFA wrote:
I think that TL handled this all wrong though. Why no drawing at all? That makes it so that there is no point in this. You could've at least selected some more users that are great contributors(like in the news post) instead of doing this. Now that I realize whats happening for real I just wish I hadn't nominated myself at all. -.- I'm starting to wonder why I should trust TL's staff at all anymore.
edit: edited for change of meaning. Why do you think all the keys from the nomination thread are being used in this contest? Ya but I didn't realize how they would handle the contest. This is just cruel. They should have just said that you can't nominate yourself instead of "and yes, you can nominate yourself". Nah, they're just trying to extract as much amusement from the keys as possible while giving them away. Good entertainment for the rest of us. Ya but for those who opted-in its just cruel and mean. I might've expected this from the normal users but not the STAFF! =( I think you're taking this way too seriously. A lot of new users have posted and interacted a lot in this thread, and as a result we've gotten to know them much better. That's a positive side effect we can take away from this regardless of what happens. And we've gotten to know the staff a lot better as well.
I don't understand, are you trying to be passive aggressive or something here? Because throughout this entire thread I've not bashed one user for self-nomination nor have I attacked anyone for not opting out. This thread is a fun competition where users who wouldn't have gotten keys get opportunities to get keys. It's also generated many pages of discussion and as a result we know a lot of users better.
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it's a trick! people that get removed will get the keys!
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On April 18 2010 07:56 phlamez wrote:
Some food for thought. Imagine you're on a lifeboat with a maximum capacity of 30 people and currently there are 60. You have to self opt yourselves to drown in order to save others and if none of you choose to do so you'll all drown. Do you want to do nothing and hope that other people are better human beings than you or take responsibility over your own fate and do something that might actually matter.
Once again someone with a bad analogy. The keys won't be destroyed if people don't opt out. People won't drown if people don't sacrifice themselves. They'll just find a better way of deciding who gets the keys/lifeboat seat. Wanting this contest to fail is the best course of action imo, cause the process of determining who gets a key is fucked up and doesn't even match with the intention of picking who's the most deserving.
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it seems i will have to quit, 56 people in... it would be a waste not to give those keys to anyone QQ
ehhh :/
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People it's a beta key not an AIDS vaccine!
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On April 18 2010 07:57 LordWeird wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 07:54 Hot_Bid wrote:On April 18 2010 07:50 3FFA wrote:On April 18 2010 07:44 Slow Motion wrote:On April 18 2010 07:43 3FFA wrote:On April 18 2010 07:40 huameng wrote:On April 18 2010 07:36 3FFA wrote:
I think that TL handled this all wrong though. Why no drawing at all? That makes it so that there is no point in this. You could've at least selected some more users that are great contributors(like in the news post) instead of doing this. Now that I realize whats happening for real I just wish I hadn't nominated myself at all. -.- I'm starting to wonder why I should trust TL's staff at all anymore.
edit: edited for change of meaning. Why do you think all the keys from the nomination thread are being used in this contest? Ya but I didn't realize how they would handle the contest. This is just cruel. They should have just said that you can't nominate yourself instead of "and yes, you can nominate yourself". Nah, they're just trying to extract as much amusement from the keys as possible while giving them away. Good entertainment for the rest of us. Ya but for those who opted-in its just cruel and mean. I might've expected this from the normal users but not the STAFF! =( I think you're taking this way too seriously. A lot of new users have posted and interacted a lot in this thread, and as a result we've gotten to know them much better. That's a positive side effect we can take away from this regardless of what happens. Man some people take it as a real insult that they haven't gotten a key and that others do or even have a chance to, lol. I thought this was all about fun but a lot of people don't seem to be having any.
well i thought of having fun as well, but if you read through the whole thread you will find bunch of insults that are far from fun directed at those who nominated themselves, although rules said: you can nominate yourself.
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On April 18 2010 07:57 danl9rm wrote:
i'm going with 88. that's how many people will be left in the list at the end of 48 hours.
88 is also the miles per hour it takes to travel through time.
hahaha
not related to ur time travel statement. You guys are like the audience that a recent southpark episode made fun of, those who read into things. It's not like Hot bid was like, if I do this option then...bla bla sociological experiment bla la psychological experiment... They are just creatively giving out keys. It's like thinking someone who wrote a bok a out a dog chasing a cat who chased a mouse was implying the government is evil and health care is the next step to communism and that in 2012 the world will end... Btw that's what looney tunes is really all about...
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On April 18 2010 08:01 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 07:56 Cheree wrote:On April 18 2010 07:54 Hot_Bid wrote:On April 18 2010 07:50 3FFA wrote:On April 18 2010 07:44 Slow Motion wrote:On April 18 2010 07:43 3FFA wrote:On April 18 2010 07:40 huameng wrote:On April 18 2010 07:36 3FFA wrote:
I think that TL handled this all wrong though. Why no drawing at all? That makes it so that there is no point in this. You could've at least selected some more users that are great contributors(like in the news post) instead of doing this. Now that I realize whats happening for real I just wish I hadn't nominated myself at all. -.- I'm starting to wonder why I should trust TL's staff at all anymore.
edit: edited for change of meaning. Why do you think all the keys from the nomination thread are being used in this contest? Ya but I didn't realize how they would handle the contest. This is just cruel. They should have just said that you can't nominate yourself instead of "and yes, you can nominate yourself". Nah, they're just trying to extract as much amusement from the keys as possible while giving them away. Good entertainment for the rest of us. Ya but for those who opted-in its just cruel and mean. I might've expected this from the normal users but not the STAFF! =( I think you're taking this way too seriously. A lot of new users have posted and interacted a lot in this thread, and as a result we've gotten to know them much better. That's a positive side effect we can take away from this regardless of what happens. And we've gotten to know the staff a lot better as well. I don't understand, are you trying to be passive aggressive or something here? Because throughout this entire thread I've not bashed one user for self-nomination nor have I attacked anyone for not opting out. This thread is a fun competition where users who wouldn't have gotten keys get opportunities to get keys. It's also generated many pages of discussion and as a result we know a lot of users better.
A fun competition? dude this is a blood thirst over a beta key, I'm Sure some people are dieing to get their hands on one, and i wouldn't be surprised if fowl play pops up. Regardless your attacks on some of these new guys is quite saddening
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On April 18 2010 07:56 phlamez wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 05:46 IndecisivePenguin wrote:On April 18 2010 05:37 phlamez wrote:
If no one gets keys it'll honestly be embarrassing. This competition isn't "cruel" as people keep saying, it wasn't created to foster animosity or to prove a point about selfishness. TL is built around its community, from the people who stream or contribute in other ways, to the people who have been around forever with thousands of posts, to the people who lurk in every thread never feeling compelled to contribute their own opinion. While some of you might think that some of those above categories are more deserving of keys than the others, none of those groups are responsible for the keys that are being given out. The reason why TL has keys to give out in the first place is because it's a community site, and that community isn't simply a sum of the constituent parts. This wouldn't be a community if all we cared about were the people we knew personally, or the people who helped contribute the most. What makes it a community is our ability to empathize with other members we may not know very well based solely on their shared participation of TL.
Do everyone a favor and take yourself off the list, who cares if the keys go to people who have only posted a few times, be happy for your fellow TLer regardless of if its your best friend or someone you've never heard of. Today, let teamliquid be the only thing you share with the person you help, and let it be enough. I know a lot of you believe that you a very deserving because of your specific situation, and while I agree that you may be in a deserving situation, until you cross your name off you will never be a deserving person. You make a very valid point. Believe me, I have been turning this decision repeatedly in my mind, whether or not to withdraw from this list of names. I believe you are correct in your analysis of what TL should be. I believe you are correct in the honor of being selfless so that another member may enjoy the key, maintaining TL as enough of a bond to justify this act. I just have two problems. First, many people who crossed off their names aren't doing so because they really want someone else to enjoy their key. Some of them just don't want the scorn by their fellow members. Like you said, TL is a community, and to have your community look down upon you as a group is not a fun position to be in. I really do appreciate each of you that have removed yourselves because of selflessness. You guys make me smile. Secondly, it almost undermines the concept of the OP. The idea was to nominate who we believed would be deserving of getting a key. However, if we are to rely on the principle of giving the keys to any one on TL to enjoy, then it should have been a random drawing instead. That way we could all have an equal opportunity to enjoy this key, and be equally shared in the joy of any member getting that key. I appreciate the insight, I don't think anyone else has addressed the issue in your perspective yet. All in all, I hope this experience becomes a positive one for TL. Answering your two problems In response to your first 1. It doesn't matter what the intentions of the people who did cross themselves off the list were. Your decision to act shouldn't be based on the rational of others, it should be based on your situation. It's not an excuse that other people may have only crossed their names because they cared about how they would be perceived by others, at least some number of those people did it because they care about this community, and if you don't do the same you should take responsibility for making that decision. 2. Not removing yourself from the list is a blatant smack in the face to what this community represents. It shows that when push comes to shove we still behave as self interested individuals and not a tight knit community who share in the happiness of each other. Say what you will about others, but your decision to keep your name on the list reflects how you prioritize this community against your own myopic self interests. In response to your second 1. The spirit of the OP was to reward those who we believed contributed most to this community. It's purpose was to recognize those who help make TL, TL. The goal was always to promote community, what's changed is the way in which we do so. The situation now isn't only about who gets keys, it's more than that, it's about whether this thread will encourage people to act like a community or act like children. 2. What you aren't taking into account is the concept behind this thread. This thread wasn't created to punish you, it was created on the belief that we are a community. Some food for thought. Imagine you're on a lifeboat with a maximum capacity of 30 people and currently there are 60. You have to self opt yourselves to drown in order to save others and if none of you choose to do so you'll all drown. Do you want to do nothing and hope that other people are better human beings than you or take responsibility over your own fate and do something that might actually matter. Feel free to keep arguing your point, but its just an excuse to make yourself feel better about a choice your unwilling to make. When the next TSL rolls around, ask yourself what you've done to deserve everything this community has offered you. You have the unique opportunity now to change what that answer will be.
You don't know that I'm unwilling. I am willing, in fact. There is a considerable difference between willing and doing, but in your case scenario, the actions are more important than the intentions. You don't know what I'm going to be doing yet, if I do anything.
In the hypothetical situation, some of the people on the list would be comparable to a person on the lifeboat who has extensive knowledge of emergency medical procedures, which would be very helpful if they somehow became stranded somewhere.. Or is perhaps is a stronger man than many of the others on the boat, making it more likely that they will row to shore because he has a lot of endurance. Or someone with a family back at home. There are many reasons as to why someone may feel more inclined to live above the others, especially if others are practically pushing people aside yelling "I WANNA LIVE RAWRAR." Granted, this scenario is highly more intense than one about a beta key.
I don't like that you began to assume my intentions, but you have brought up an interesting point. Thinking about the hundreds and hundreds of people who use this site daily, what's to say that any of us deserve what the community has given us? Of course there are those who obviously do. But then there's everyone else.
It's just a hard place to be. We need to find the fun of this nomination process again.
Yay! Some of us are actually going to be able to get beta keys! :D
(No sarcasm whatsoever. When you really think about it again, it's really awesome that this is happening in the first place. These types of things don't happen often. 50 keys for TL! )
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