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On April 27 2010 10:17 Black Octopi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2010 00:03 Chill wrote:
It's an analogy - the situations don't have to be identical to be comparable.
It does not resemble the same tech pattern. Gateway/Cybernetics unit vs Factory unit. It does not resemble the same cost. Lets take 4 Sentries, 400 gas = 1 tank (100 Siege Tech + 25 TechLab + 100 Factory + 125 Tank; 50gas leftover). It is rushable (proxy + sentry + reinforce with sentry or sent 2 sentry and proxy pylon after forcefield). You ain't gonna rush with 1 tank. One is invulnerable to everything. The other you have to question just how many units you need to support it.
the cost doesn't change anything and isn't relevant. in both cases you're left with X value of sentries or tank/vulture. you might say the cost is important because it changes the timing of the containment, but the timing isn't relevant either. in both cases at the time of the contain the defender has (in an even game) the ability to prevent the containing units from setting up a contain. if the forcefield contain comes earlier of later than a seige contain that doesn't in itself making it more or less fair.
there is no reason you should let a sentry walk up to your choke unopposed just as there is no reason you should let a seige be set up at your choke unopposed. the end.
also, are you kidding with your 'proxy something into not make the opponent make units into somehow take economic lead' strat?
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Man, oldschool Guildwars GvG/HoH. I personally still haven't found a competitive team game able to come close to the skill, co-ordination, and strategical complexity of that gem.
Great show, be nice to see dj develop as an rts player, and it's excellent to get articulate insight's from different competetive scenes. Chill astute as always xD.
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On April 27 2010 18:04 xCenasfu wrote:
The guy who you railed on in your other show sounded either very high or slow.. not cool.
Tirpak calls in all the time to that show. We've got a history... he's neither high or slow, he's just the Tirpak. Plus he invented the Tirpak Rush in SC:BW - get minerals, send marines. hah gg
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On April 27 2010 23:10 ImSkeptical wrote:
Man, oldschool Guildwars GvG/HoH. I personally still haven't found a competitive team game able to come close to the skill, co-ordination, and strategical complexity of that gem.
Great show, be nice to see dj develop as an rts player, and it's excellent to get articulate insight's from different competetive scenes. Chill astute as always xD.
Ahh thanks and I agree. Let's hope GW2 does something good. As for developing as an RTS player... even tho I'm born from an FPS womb... I have to admit I feel at home. Thanks for your comments.
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On April 27 2010 23:10 ImSkeptical wrote:
Man, oldschool Guildwars GvG/HoH. I personally still haven't found a competitive team game able to come close to the skill, co-ordination, and strategical complexity of that gem.
Great show, be nice to see dj develop as an rts player, and it's excellent to get articulate insight's from different competetive scenes. Chill astute as always xD.
There's this game called Dark age of Camelot. It was released in 2001 and is still up and running, and is still considered by many, to be one of the best pvp-focused mmorpgs of all time.
You should check it out.
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Great topics! Keep up the good work guys!
I think the community needs this kind of show!
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On April 28 2010 06:06 Senx wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2010 23:10 ImSkeptical wrote:
Man, oldschool Guildwars GvG/HoH. I personally still haven't found a competitive team game able to come close to the skill, co-ordination, and strategical complexity of that gem.
Great show, be nice to see dj develop as an rts player, and it's excellent to get articulate insight's from different competetive scenes. Chill astute as always xD. There's this game called Dark age of Camelot. It was released in 2001 and is still up and running, and is still considered by many, to be one of the best pvp-focused mmorpgs of all time. You should check it out.
See its sad that people miss out on Guildwars. Thing about it was it wasn't really an mmo, nor an rpg. It was like this wierd multiplayer action game, except because of the way builds worked the strategy had the depth of one of those deck building card games like Magic: The Gathering. Similar to somthing like DOTA, but without the laning, and with more variation in team setup. DOTA/its clones probably comes the closest, and it's pretty different from those, so really to my knowledge Guildwars was/is quite unique. Man people need to make more games like Guildwars, Starcraft is great to watch/play in a competitive sense, but team games always have that cool aspect to them. I guess that's why proleague is so fun to follow, gives a kind of team spirit to the games. Didn't mean to shut down your suggestion or anything XD, i'm sure it's great in its own way, I just have many passionate childhood memories about Guildwars.
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Hey djwheat, great work with this show, ive just found out about it and listened to both the shows so far today, love it!
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Wheat,
I have 2 maybe 3 SC2 beta keys to donate to you for your shows as give aways or what ever u wanna do with them.
Chill,
what part of Canada are you in i forget?
Im in NS.
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This is your weekly reminder that WoC will air at 2PM EDT today on djWHEAT.tv. A new Chill 101, "Oh Micro" discussion, and of course Open Phones.
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Watched episode one VoD and think the show is terrific, will be tuning in today for some more weapon of choice!
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On April 30 2010 01:20 h4rvey wrote:
Chill,
what part of Canada are you in i forget?
Im in NS.
Chill lives in Calgary iirc.
Would there be a chance of putting it on the calendar? I`m sure it would prevent a few nerds from missing it.
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GLHF.tv was having problems with their streaming channel, so they are currently broadcasting the Zotac Cup Finals there... once it's over WoC should begin. I'll keep you updated!
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Terrible lag  Bearly watchable.
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Same here, The "audo only" link just seems to be like random links and stuff, im too noob? how do I just stream audio?
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^ I had no problem watching through the embedded window on TL. If I try to watch on the UStream site, though, it's horrible lag. *shrug*
Great show again!
I have a question about this week's Chill Challenge... are you suggesting that we proxy and cut off worker production in our rushes and go totally all-in? Or try to maintain some sort of economy?
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only watched it through TL and experienced no lag at all
thought it was an interesting cast
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On May 03 2010 06:02 hoborg wrote:
^ I had no problem watching through the embedded window on TL. If I try to watch on the UStream site, though, it's horrible lag. *shrug*
Great show again!
I have a question about this week's Chill Challenge... are you suggesting that we proxy and cut off worker production in our rushes and go totally all-in? Or try to maintain some sort of economy?
I don't suggest you proxy, but I do suggest cutting workers and going all-in. Once the rush has failed / is successful, you should revert back to making workers and playing more standard.
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Man.. fuck my school. Dj Wheat talking about CPL is the god damn shit , CPL = HORSE SHIT!
I dont want to be a abused wife.. djWHEAT the man..
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how do u watch the old episodes? when i click on the links, it just leads me to the live show.
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