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As for losing because the other guy said GG and continued to play... well, it goes back to that saying "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." Etiquette is overrated in computer games. For the most part, it doesn't exist. The amount of assholes will always outnumber the amount of people with half a shred of decency, and it will stay that way until technology evolves to the point where you can punch your opponent in the face through your monitor. Then people will think twice before acting like a dick.
Not this. It is mostly new gamers that are like that; acting like, as someone put it fucktards. Anyone with any kind of deep gaming background has a forum background and that's where the manners are generally injected. You shouldn't wait for someone to not gg and call them bad manners. You should just say "ah, a real competitor, that's how it's done" when you do see it. It is good manners to acknowledge your opponent, you will obviously get those fucktards and douchebags that don't but in most sports you congratulate opponents win or lose with something be it a hand shake, a nod, a salute whatever. It should be noted that as it is penalized in other sports bad sportsmanship is also penalized in Starcraft through community policing that blizzard does. You can report players for abusive action and it can result in action like them getting temp or perma-banned. I personally am glad that there is pressure on the community (from the core members no less) to move in this direction of more then simply digital conflict.
Anyone who plays with bad manners, who can't lose gracefully and or can't win gracefully is really just doing themselves a disservice.
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On April 12 2010 15:09 Manifesto7 wrote:
It is just a matter of having honour and respecting intellect.
Guys who engage in gang warfare and get off by shooting people virtually are obviously the base element of the gaming community. See XBox Live Halo players for Exhibit A, or 1400 lb, 5 person CS teams at WCG for exhibit B.
RTS players, and particularily BW players, appreciate the fine art they are undertaking. They are exposing themselves in a battle of wills and mental strength. The willingness to engage in spirited competition, unprotected by teammates, should be celebrated. Even the worst player in BW deserves a GG for playing a man's game.
To not GG is to not respect the art.
fuck art
its a competition
if you dont get pissed off when you lose you dont care enough
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fuck art
its a competition
if you dont get pissed off when you lose you dont care enough
If you are such a child that you can't compose yourself or simply stay quite you don't deserve to compete. It's not like if you mutter something under your breath we hear it and call bad manners you have to actively send the comment on b.net with chat. It's fine to swear at the wall but raging online is just laughable it's akin to throwing a tantrum in public... hey if that's how you want to be seen it's fine with me.
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im extremely glad its fine with you, i was considering maturing for a second there.
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not GGing at the end of the game when you're frustated is alright, I ragequit from time to time as well. It gets funny tho when you're playing with a bm teammate. I played ppvzt once on twilight fortress, we both went carriers and he just started yelling at me cause we were bout to lose. After i typed in gg, he was like "OMG WHAT A STUPID ALLY" and then he went on telling the enemy team what a nub i was. I laughed extremely hard, having the "angry gamer vs. starcraft" in mind.
Another day i killed protos with mass zerlings, and he hid a probe somewhere to wait for the server to shut down for a new patch. I couldnt find it, both got dropped, and when I logged in again, I saw that I "lost" the game. I was never as angry in my life before :D
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I'm somewhat surprised that so many people seem to frown upon not offering a "gg" before leaving, as doing so strikes me as somewhat of a pointless exercise. If you say "gg" every time you lose, how can it mean anything that F10 E S Q doesn't?
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On April 12 2010 21:41 jabberwokie wrote:Show nested quote +As for losing because the other guy said GG and continued to play... well, it goes back to that saying "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." Etiquette is overrated in computer games. For the most part, it doesn't exist. The amount of assholes will always outnumber the amount of people with half a shred of decency, and it will stay that way until technology evolves to the point where you can punch your opponent in the face through your monitor. Then people will think twice before acting like a dick. Not this. It is mostly new gamers that are like that; acting like, as someone put it fucktards. Anyone with any kind of deep gaming background has a forum background and that's where the manners are generally injected. You shouldn't wait for someone to not gg and call them bad manners. You should just say "ah, a real competitor, that's how it's done" when you do see it. It is good manners to acknowledge your opponent, you will obviously get those fucktards and douchebags that don't but in most sports you congratulate opponents win or lose with something be it a hand shake, a nod, a salute whatever. It should be noted that as it is penalized in other sports bad sportsmanship is also penalized in Starcraft through community policing that blizzard does. You can report players for abusive action and it can result in action like them getting temp or perma-banned. I personally am glad that there is pressure on the community (from the core members no less) to move in this direction of more then simply digital conflict. Anyone who plays with bad manners, who can't lose gracefully and or can't win gracefully is really just doing themselves a disservice.
Are you kidding? It's a courtesy. Enforcing it completely delegitimizes saying gg at all, and you're not only a little prick if you report someone for it, you're wasting Blizzard's time as well. Granted, I think American SC players tend to be more hotheaded than other competitive games and drama-seeking at times, but being pissed off and not gging is not uncommon in any competitive game. I think the one thing that seemed to tethered CS players a bit more is the fact that they have team chat to talk shit about their opponents, and for most people that's enough.
I rarrrrrely ever rage while gaming and I can't remember not going through the whole gg thing (actually, I can. Fuck you, Nameless) but I truly don't care whether the other player ggs or not. In fact, if I'm annoyed, I'm more likely to type out something like "Fantastic game, you played excellently." If you just judge the words without the context, which is what you're proposing, it sounds like I'm being nice. But I'm not, they can go to hell.
At least in SC2 you've got the replay, so it's not a big hassle every time someone accuses you of cheating when you win (which will happen,) plus you can't get packeted.
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I think it's happened to every SC player at least once. I had a match on scrapyard a few days ago where my main was destroyed, but I floated away (I was terran, the other guy was protoss) to the island expansion, set up shop there and the guy called GG. Well I guess he didn't know that I had build a fleet of BCs, but he wound up losing AND looking like a jerk.
Also, on occasion you will tell someone gl hf in the beginning of a match and they will respond with some childish retort like "suck it" or "go kill yourself." Truly juvenile, but don't let it get to you. just better yourself as a player, and you will get the most satisfaction out of smashing them into the ground.
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Saying GG and not leaving the game is f***ing BM ! I'm a noob and even I know that. If you said GG, leave the f**king game. That's all there is to it. But in any case, I do not stop macroing and attacking till he leaves the game. You never know, how stupid and BM your oponent is...
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I could really care less if someone GG's or not. 99% of the time I will throw one out if I am the looser and continue to my next game. Though if I have had a few drinks and I have accepted defeat I might continue to sing a Journey song for my opponent until my last building falls.
However, if I have someone toss out the "offensive GG" as they are tearing into my base... you can count on me to lift my buildings and force them to find me in the random locations of the map. Half the time this happens as I am typing GG in myself  . I assume its someone who is very impacient and I can get under their skin for my last few minutes of the game.
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Jibba, by saying you can report players for abusive action I am not suggesting you do it when they don't ",gg"... When they go off the deep end because you legit beat them and they start using a lot of expletives and slurs; that's when you should report it because those people truly are taking away from the community. Also you should read the thread because I think if you read my other posts we sit in much the same boat my friend.
If you say to me "Fantastic game, you played excellently." Then leave I would take that as a well mannered exit regardless of what was going through your head while you typed it or any game situation, I would respect you for that. Even if you meant the worst things by it. I would have no idea and that's as it should be - ignorance is bliss. I expect that winning would "light a fire under the opponents ass" in that it would motivate them to new heights of achievement and thus victory or epic failure in an attempt... isn't that what competition is about?
True competitors know that the best judge is by the strength of the opponent and thus disrespecting the opponent can be seen as disrespecting themselves. Inversely if we respect and honor our opponent we respect and honor ourselves.
It's also not about drawing a line in the sand. of corse there is a spectrum of circumstances in which appropriate action will vary.
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On April 12 2010 05:26 Gont wrote:
never happened to me in platinum
but i usually dont chat much anyways...hf at the beginning and gg at the end is the only thing i write most of the times...i rly hate people always asking "from?" and stuff like that :/
It has also never happened to me in platnium, but I think chatting is a very interesting part of the game. but any chat that may occur should only happen at the beginning of any game. For example, I like to ask my opponents how their day is going. =))))
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Dunno, most of the times I just say nothing at the start or at the end of the game. The ladder system involves such little need of communication you don't really need to say anything. I have to admit I used to think people not saying gg or bming were a little disturbing, but now I simply don't care.
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It seems to me that most of the people who think it is bad manners, need something of assurance in this game to make themselves feel better for winning. Why not get Blizzard to program it in, when the game starts you automatically say GL HF. When you do the old F10 + E + Q you automatically say GG to the winner. Seriously I don't get offended when people don't GG me. There are a lot of things that could happen that would be worse than a non GG.
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On April 12 2010 21:42 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2010 15:09 Manifesto7 wrote:
It is just a matter of having honour and respecting intellect.
Guys who engage in gang warfare and get off by shooting people virtually are obviously the base element of the gaming community. See XBox Live Halo players for Exhibit A, or 1400 lb, 5 person CS teams at WCG for exhibit B.
RTS players, and particularily BW players, appreciate the fine art they are undertaking. They are exposing themselves in a battle of wills and mental strength. The willingness to engage in spirited competition, unprotected by teammates, should be celebrated. Even the worst player in BW deserves a GG for playing a man's game.
To not GG is to not respect the art. fuck art its a competition if you dont get pissed off when you lose you dont care enough
That is a very childish thing to say. Go tell a Korean pro gamer that what they've practiced for 11 years isn't an artform, and see how many of them agree with you. Or better yet, go watch the latest Korea Reacts episode. Coach Ha of MBC Game even said it's an art. And as good as you may be at starcraft, I don't really think you can compare to him...Sorry.
I sincerely hope your statement was sarcasm.
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Happened to me once, and I just got this idea. I said "you know you can leave right? F10, e, q" and he was like "oooooh, wow" and then left. I'd gotten a hunch from his play that game and indeed he just didn't know that he could leave without being destroyed. :p
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Lol.. every now and then there comes along a noob and starts this thread.. how many times has this thread been created..? It's like how do I defend 4pool in the strat section. And every time it gets the same type of replies. Imo, a "To gg or not to gg"-thread should be stickied in one of the forums so that whenever this comes up, a person can be pointed in its direction.
Anyway, time for my two cents - I don't see the need for gging in a ladder game. Personally, I never gg unless it is a person I know or some kind of official event. I also don't get upset if my opponent does not gg when he loses. Nobody is going to thank you for gging and - most often - nobody will yell at you for not gging.
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Props to OP for the Dune reference. 2nd guy I notice using a Dune name in a short time.
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i always gg even if im really pissed, not gging is disrespectful to your opponent imo, its the gaming version of a handshake so..
on another note why are all these newschool highranked players so cocky LOL, everyones a hotshot in sc2
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On April 13 2010 03:10 Osmoses wrote:
Happened to me once, and I just got this idea. I said "you know you can leave right? F10, e, q" and he was like "oooooh, wow" and then left. I'd gotten a hunch from his play that game and indeed he just didn't know that he could leave without being destroyed. :p
Ha ha ha... post replay. 15 apm wow-player, I'm guessing.
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It is kinda frustrating for someone to gg and not leave but it shouldn't make you angry.. just continue playing as normal imo.
Also, legends never gg.
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