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First off, I am new to SC and to any real competitive RTS play in general.
Is it normal for people to throw up the gg and keep playing? I have had it happen probably 25% of the time. They either say gg and then keep building units from some remote location. Or, calling gg and then sitting back and making me go around the map killing off all the buildings for their 3 expansions.
The first time it happened to me, I was playing PvT and he had just nuked 2 of my supply lines while I ran in and wiped out his base. He threw up the gg and started chatting with me. In the mean time he built like 3 rax and started pumping out tons of marines at an expansion I hadn't scouted. He ended up winning because I was busy chatting and didn't start mining again. Granted, I should have had better macro and started mining, but he called gg! wth?
Do you encounter this a lot too? And, what's your take on making your op kill off all your buildings for the end game?
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Ya there are a lot of douchebags that do that, never stop macroing and scouting until they leave. At the lower levels, I see this happen a lot. I don't know if players are more mannered in gold and plat, but this happens to me probably 3 out of 5 games on the silver ladder. This is especially bad if I go for a baneling bust cause the terran walled improperly, cause its apparently "The unbeatable cheesiest nooby build ever"
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On April 12 2010 05:09 FeydRautha wrote:
First off, I am new to SC and to any real competitive RTS play in general.
Is it normal for people to throw up the gg and keep playing? I have had it happen probably 25% of the time. They either say gg and then keep building units from some remote location. Or, calling gg and then sitting back and making me go around the map killing off all the buildings for their 3 expansions.
The first time it happened to me, I was playing PvT and he had just nuked 2 of my supply lines while I ran in and wiped out his base. He threw up the gg and started chatting with me. In the mean time he built like 3 rax and started pumping out tons of marines at an expansion I hadn't scouted. He ended up winning because I was busy chatting and didn't start mining again. Granted, I should have had better macro and started mining, but he called gg! wth?
Do you encounter this a lot too? And, what's your take on making your op kill off all your buildings for the end game?
when people gg after shitting on you, its called offensive gg.
this makes you angry then they usually kill you with scouts or something.
just dont chat with them and keep playing
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On April 12 2010 05:12 OreoBoi wrote:
Ya there are a lot of douchebags that do that, never stop macroing and scouting until they leave. At the lower levels, I see this happen a lot. I don't know if players are more mannered in gold and plat, but this happens to me probably 3 out of 5 games on the silver ladder.
Yeah, what douchebags!!!1!!1
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I guess saying GG is a strategy now? I don't gg I just quit and start a new game. And it is really dumb when people say GG and wait a while to leave.
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Some guy did something like that last night
He dropped the GG and made me hunt down his left over buildings. It wasn't that irritating because it was fun to watch him struggle to comeback.
Just remember to keep on killing until the player leaves the game...if they chat with you...just answer when you get the chance...you can be friendly on TL, but in games, you have no friends...
I get a lot of people just leaving with out saying GG....that kinda gets me
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No, usually GG signals they have lost and are going to quit or actually lose very soon. I have encountered people who GG then expect me to kill their buildings (which I do), but in almost all situations they acknowledge it's impossible for them to come back and win if I keep playing.
It sounds like you fell victim to some very potent psychological warfare though, at least now it'll never happen again right?
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On April 12 2010 05:13 Bosu wrote:
I guess saying GG is a strategy now? I don't gg I just quit and start a new game. And it is really dumb when people say GG and wait a while to leave.
Well it might work on people who have watched SC but not played it very much. Because if you watch tournaments, GG ends the games.
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its a common strat in BW too,
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=119162
ive had a few games where i GG then sit for a sec and atch my stuff die while i think over the game and the mistakes ive made, but i'd never make the guy hunt me down, its a waste of my time and his.
plus half the people in the beta dont even GG, its frustrating.
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On April 12 2010 05:13 sith wrote:
It sounds like you fell victim to some very potent psychological warfare though, at least now it'll never happen again right?
That's true, I have had them try it a time or two since, and it was definitely crushed back down. I would just rather have not needed to learn that lesson. Esp the hard way.
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never happened to me in platinum
but i usually dont chat much anyways...hf at the beginning and gg at the end is the only thing i write most of the times...i rly hate people always asking "from?" and stuff like that :/
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rofl that reminds me, I won a 2v2 yesterday and we just basically mass stalker/sentry rolled them.. At the end of the game, the guy said to us "You are lucky it is saturday".. and left the game..
we were like WTF does that mean? Then we matched vs his team again, and after we own him he goes "Saturday.." and leaves again..
Weirdest complaint ever.
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I've made it a habit to keep playing even if someone tells me "gg" - just incase. While I haven't experienced it myself, I'm expecting to someday. Gaming ettiquette is very strange, and from what I've experienced generally quite good in Starcraft 2. I've even had a few good talks with people as they've destroyed my base on what went wrong and so forth.
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On April 12 2010 05:26 Skyze wrote:
rofl that reminds me, I won a 2v2 yesterday and we just basically mass stalker/sentry rolled them.. At the end of the game, the guy said to us "You are lucky it is saturday".. and left the game..
we were like WTF does that mean? Then we matched vs his team again, and after we own him he goes "Saturday.." and leaves again..
Weirdest complaint ever.
In his religion he is allowed to play games on the sabbath, but not to try to win.
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I've actually done that to someone before unintentionally. They had played a good early game and i thought i was going to lose but barley held of the attack. I gg'ed expecting reinforcements to be flooding in but then realized he hadn't macroed at all during the fight. I came back and edged out a win. I guess his play was more all-innish than i had assumed. Didn't mean to be a douchebag or try any "mental" games. It just happened.
Also there is a trend of people new to SC it seems that don't GG at all and it annoys me 
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I never gg until I'm ready to leave. Sometimes I'll gg and wait for him to gg back and then leave but generally saying gg means you concede the game.
Offensive gg's, not gg'ing, and gg'ing but staying in the game to-try-to-be-annoying-as-Terran-by-floating-your-buildings-all-of-the-freaking-map-and-being-gay are all considered bm
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On April 12 2010 06:14 KaRnaGe[cF] wrote:
It just happened.
Well, no. It didn't just happen. You surrendered, and then you attacked him. Even if you didn't plan it, you chose it.
Resignation should be built into the game, so that you can resign and then have a polite little chat, and keep playing around with the units a bit without affecting the game's recorded outcome.
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Saying GG and continuing to play is *extremely* bad mannered. I don't think I've ever seen someone do it, but I'm in upper-platinum where the players generally prefer to just leave and start a new game.
It's OK in general, I think, to say GG and chat with your opponent for a little while about the game and strategies etc., assuming you stop all unit production / attacks / attempts to win the game. I'm fine with this, though I usually make sure I'm inside his base killing him while we're chatting (and then just leave an extractor alive or something if I have more to say).
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On the U.S. servers, its considered bad manner to type anything other than 'You're fucking terrible at this game.'
In actuality, beta servers have been surprisingly manner in my experience so far. I have had top inject a little bm here and there to even out the universe. Nothing serious, just a "Eat a dick!" here and there.
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I quit directly after saying GG. As for people who don't say GG, I don't really care. Coming from an FPS gaming background, someone not talking to me is ten times better than what I usually get. I'm fine with what people call Bad mannered in RTS games because it honestly isn't that bad mannered compared to other genres out there.
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On April 12 2010 05:09 FeydRautha wrote:
Is it normal for people to throw up the gg and keep playing? I have had it happen probably 25% of the time. They either say gg and then keep building units from some remote location. Or, calling gg and then sitting back and making me go around the map killing off all the buildings for their 3 expansions.
The first time it happened to me, I was playing PvT and he had just nuked 2 of my supply lines while I ran in and wiped out his base. He threw up the gg and started chatting with me. In the mean time he built like 3 rax and started pumping out tons of marines at an expansion I hadn't scouted. He ended up winning because I was busy chatting and didn't start mining again. Granted, I should have had better macro and started mining, but he called gg! wth?
Do you encounter this a lot too? And, what's your take on making your op kill off all your buildings for the end game?
25% seems a too high percentage..however time by time it occours also to me.
That send me angry
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I've noticed that bm is way more prevalent in SC2 beta than it was in SC on iccup, especially at ~1400 platinum levels. Almost no one ggs, and when someone loses it's because your race is overpowered. I admit getting pissed really easily as well and only gg'ing like half the time... I guess it's just the beta atmosphere
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i'm sick of the gg. I want to find something with a more fitting meaning. i've stoped saying it by default, except the times i say it by force of habit, until i can figure out something else to say. it may be QQ. but iuno i want something that fits
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90% of the people under Gold are assclowns. They will GG and then hide proxy Pylons or float Barrackses places or Nydus somewhere and make me hunt them down. It's a pain in my ass. Most of the time they just leave. Personally, I try to always say gg when I know I've lost and after I do I leave.
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it could also just be a tactic used to win....
ive had someone kill my expo, and i gg'd. then i moved in with my nice big force of air and wiped them out... not sure why you would ever stop your macro. if anything its good practice
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a lot of people who play sc2 played wow. and everyone in wow, regardless of how they act in other games or in real life. are trolls/assholes or asstrolls.
i play wow. i am an asstroll..
enough said.
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I've played several games now where I will kill a player almost completely, but he will have started an expo somewhere or lifted his buildings off and begun mining elsewhere. I mean he has 0 units, probably close to 0 minerals, why no gg? Once I faceroll his base with my leftover forces he goes gg, but what was the purpose of trying that shit in the first place? lol?
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I had no problem with BM before the stat reset to be honest (or maybe it was an invite wave close to the reset). People would always either initiate or respond to the GL HF antics, and say GG at the end. Ever since the reset I have had maybe 4 out of 100 people tell me to GL and HF and another 4 respond to my inevitable saying of GL HF^^;. Not really a big deal, just found it very interesting that in a matter of a week the server went from courteous to "leave me alone and play".
That being said, saying GG and keeping playing does happen on ICCUP too and is an asshole move =(
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Most games I play in people don't say GG if i win, some of them don't even say a word throughout the game, so no GL HF or anything, kinda annoys me a bit that people just don't put GG or something, it only takes a second to do and its good sportsmanship, but ah well.
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I'd like to remind people that this is a new game, and people shouldn't be expected to know they've lost, or not to play around with units more often. One time i had lost and knew i lost, but i wanted to keep playing around with the tech for a learning experience. The guy is like can't you just leave? I just kinda shook my head. There's more to this game than winning. Remember that.
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Simple thing to do. GG when you lose then leave right after, never stop playing 100% unless they have left the game
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I'm not great.. am in silver, but learning the game
After a nice game there I wrote in 'nicely played'.. and wow got my first 'lol ur just a noob' and so on comments.. surprised the nice etiquette lasted until now.. oh well, the angry counterstrike teenagers have arrived
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I sometimes delay my "gg" to see if I can defend with Workers and my last units, just to micro a bit more. But after the gg falls I leave instantly. I think it's bad mannered if your enemy isn't leaving right after gg-ing.
Oh, and I zealotrushed a guy and broke his walloff.He just went:" FUCK YOU AND DIE!" and left... This was on EU-Server, where quote on quote: "all people are friendly and well mannered".
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I've noticed that less and less people call it and instead just leave the game..
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I dont say GG unless I meant it was a good game. When I am tired I'll just say "gg" (that doesnt mean ragequitting vs cheeses, just means that if I were too dumb to not check my main for double proxy gates or something I dont gg)
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Ya always be suspicious if they do not leave shortly after a gg. Some people wait for the killer to say gg back but no matter if I am cheesed or lose a 1 hour marathon, when I say gg I insta leave.
gg f10 e q
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On April 12 2010 06:34 Alou wrote:
I quit directly after saying GG. As for people who don't say GG, I don't really care. Coming from an FPS gaming background, someone not talking to me is ten times better than what I usually get. I'm fine with what people call Bad mannered in RTS games because it honestly isn't that bad mannered compared to other genres out there.
No kidding... the kind of trash talk I've shrugged off in quake and mtg is wayyy on another level than anything I've encountered in a rts. Rts players are like nuns.
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When the opponent gg's, I usually just start practicing micro on his remaining units and buildings. It doesn't allow them to make a comeback and it's a good warmup for the next game as well. The only time I met someone BM was some guy was was bitching about me rushing them. This Terran player didn't even bother scouting me, so I went 4 gate all in zeal against his tech, so apparently I'm cheesing.
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I hate people who gg and dont leave. A rule of thumb is never stop playing until your opponent leaves.
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I think D2 has more trash talk/bm/scams than any other game
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On April 12 2010 07:55 Assault_1 wrote:
I think D2 has more trash talk/bm/scams than any other game
DotA is known as the game with the worst community, but I admit, D2 is pretty bad.
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FA and I often did this in practice sessions, wed gg and then chat/theorycraft on what happened in that game and how we could improve our strats. sometimes Id keep on pumping roaches from all hatches while chatting when I had lost with 5k mins in the bank but it was all in good spirit and I never actually won with them after the initial gg or smth like that. Against strangers in ladder games its just bm.
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Enter + gg + Enter + F10 + E + Q
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If he says GG, it means you concedes the game, and it was a good game.
If you leave without saying GG, then you probably are either bad mannered, or didnt enjoy yourself. I know if I lose to something like double proxy gateways in 2v2, I wont say GG, or some other kind of cheese. Because it means just that, that it was a good game, so its not meant to be said when the game was shit.
When your opponent says GG:
Great, it means he concedes. Finish him, cause you havent won yet.
If he wants to have a friendly chat, or I do, thats fine. Ill kill him, and then chat to him outside the game.
get the win, then chat.
dont let your opponent rebuild after he conceded, and dont let your opponent do any sort of funky play, dont go afk or something stupid like that.
He concedes, make sure you actually have the win, and then chat or go afk.
If someone wants to chat while I kill all his stuff, Ill often actually tell them to leave the game, and then we can chat. If they dont leave the game, then Ill keep on killing them.
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On April 12 2010 08:05 diehilde wrote:
FA and I often did this in practice sessions, wed gg and then chat/theorycraft on what happened in that game and how we could improve our strats. sometimes Id keep on pumping roaches from all hatches while chatting when I had lost with 5k mins in the bank but it was all in good spirit and I never actually won with them after the initial gg or smth like that. Against strangers in ladder games its just bm.
Yeah, thats alright if your practising with someone you know, but when you are doing ladder games with randoms then it does get very annoying.
Today i did a 2v2, we won, 1 person from the other team left half way through, and the person after he GGed, he waited till every unit of his died, which was annoying because he had a few air units in each corner of the map :|
Also the other day I did a 1 v 1, tried out a reaper rush, just seeing how well it works, and then he put in capitals "YOU ARE NO FUN" and left, i did laugh a lil at that though
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i gg, but i sometimes like to chat afterwards to discuss strats  everyone usually is friendly enough to talk with me though ^^". i usually won't talk after game because its too hard to find and you aren't in the "phase"
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All of my matches in Copper league lead to this....
I hate it. 
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losing because you stop playing after seeing gg only happens once.
don't really know what the problem is.
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ive met some cool and great people by just talking for a sec after i gg.
just casually mention why i think i lost, he'll either agree with me, tell me something differant, or just say nothing at all. in many cases ive met practice parts by just saying "and thats why i open 9rax" after their proxy fails
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Some people say gg when they think they won. Its fucking annoying as shit, although its funny to shit on them when the game turns around
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it's kinda odd how offensive gg is considered bad manner in sc. you don't see chess players getting all worked up cos their opponent said 'check.' not that i think it's wrong or anything. just a random observation.
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Dunno. People intentionally doing this should burn, probably, as well as people hiding their buildings when they've already lost. Then again, that's a good reason to just play custom matches instead of ladder, you don't have to worry about whether you got a win or a loss.
Still though, I myself have been in several situations where I was about to GG or already did and then noticed that the other guy was not in as strong a position as I thought he was. The earlier posted example of a guy not macroing at all while he kills your expansion has happened to me too.
So what do you do in a situation like that? Do you just quit a perfectly fine and close game because of the stat system?
I fully acknowledge that I've lost by surrendering, even though the actual in-game situation might not have resulted in a loss. However, is it truly such bad manners to try and continue the match and notifying the opponent of this in this case?
I was under the impression I was playing SC2 because of the game, not because of it's ladder system.
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i think if the game is closer than you originally thought, the opponent should be smart enough to know that you've figured this out if you gg'd but are still playing. it's only really bad if you're just making victory as annoying as possible out of spite.
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I had this happen yesterday. Just destroyed the guy's main completely, he GGs,I have 8+ banshees and 8+vikings rolling around the map and he continues to build photon cannons at an expansion like he is somehow going to come back.
Then I come destroy his expansion... he GGs again.
What is this? I mean I'm playing in silver so it's a lot lower level of competition so maybe the etiquette isn't strong there. That's just dirty though.
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On April 12 2010 08:43 Doc Daneeka wrote:
it's kinda odd how offensive gg is considered bad manner in sc. you don't see chess players getting all worked up cos their opponent said 'check.' not that i think it's wrong or anything. just a random observation.
You mean... checkmate?
And I wouldn't be surprised if chess players were as prone to bm as everyone else.
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On April 12 2010 09:00 USn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2010 08:43 Doc Daneeka wrote:
it's kinda odd how offensive gg is considered bad manner in sc. you don't see chess players getting all worked up cos their opponent said 'check.' not that i think it's wrong or anything. just a random observation. You mean... checkmate? And I wouldn't be surprised if chess players were as prone to bm as everyone else.
no, check. the analogy doesn't work with checkmate cos then it's technically impossible for the person in checkmate to get out of it. unlike an offensive gg where the player might just be a cocky bastard and could still mess up/find himself in a close fight.
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On April 12 2010 08:43 Doc Daneeka wrote:
it's kinda odd how offensive gg is considered bad manner in sc. you don't see chess players getting all worked up cos their opponent said 'check.' not that i think it's wrong or anything. just a random observation.
But gg is like "I concede, good game" to a lot of people, which is why I think people get pissed about this (myself included). Chess players would get worked up if you tipped their king over when you thought they had no way out. Sure they can pick it up and keep playing but god damn that would be annoying.
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People make me sad when they just leave without saying GG. This happens a lot to me 
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sometimes i'll gg and then realize I might still be in the game... I don't really do it to be a dick. You should be happy the player you fought was nice enough to gg at all really
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If I don't feel it was a GG, or that my opponent didn't play well, sometimes I don't GG I just leave. However, the overwhelming majority of the time I will gg, and if the played particularly well I will tell them.
I could care less if people don't say GG, I just wish I didn't have to waste 40 minutes dealing with terrans who float to the islands and then build 30 missile turrets and vikings to the point where I have to throw 200 food of mutalisks at them after mining half the map.
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I have GGed and then left my opponent to kill my buildings -only- when they are BM first (perhaps its a little petty of me, I suppose, but don't dish it out if you can't take it).
I certainly wouldn't GG then try to comeback into the game. Perhaps a half-joking GG if I've just done something stupid, but even then I'd make it -immediately- clear I wasn't being serious (if it wasn't very clear already).
Occasionally I will leave a game without GGing, particularly if it was a particularly stupid, self-inflicted loss. I don't exactly lose any sleep over it, as its far better imo than bitching and whining about it to my opponent.
tl;dr -
GGing then leaving immediately or very shortly afterward is good
GGing then trying to win is VERY bad
Not GGing is bad, but not exactly major
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I made the mistake early into the beta of stopping after an opponent GG'd. Once I ran a huge army of Marines/Medivacs into 2 PF because I had already won (he'd called gg), then he decided to go kill me. I won't trust people like that again. Pissed me off sooo much. Learned my lesson tho
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I rarely talk in game, if I loss I type gg and go... I don't care what my enemy does, I don't stop till I see them leave. tbh, people who say it's bad manners to not say gg are idiots. Saying gg is nice, but not saying it should not be seen as a negative.
It's funny how this is only seen as important in RTS and not in any other competitive genre like FPS.
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On April 12 2010 08:43 Doc Daneeka wrote:
it's kinda odd how offensive gg is considered bad manner in sc. you don't see chess players getting all worked up cos their opponent said 'check.' not that i think it's wrong or anything. just a random observation.
That's not even comparable, seeing as most of the time, both players know a check is not game-ending.
The implication in offensive gg is that the game is over. A check in chess carries no such implication.
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It is terrible to type GG for the otherplayer... I don't understand why people do this.
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lol, yeah that kinda happened to me today, except he didnt have an extra expansion to be a jerk from. Makes me think who actually got the beta keys, cause im pretty sure the starcraft:bw-playing community doesn't do stuff like that this often <.<
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What about just "g"? Does that mean "bad game" or does it mean they just tried to type "gg" but hit enter too soon? What do you type back to "g"??
I played some Korean 12 year old on iccup who "g"ed after I went 2gate against him... but then he apparently got annoyed at me that I didn't "g" back, ended up killing my poorly microed zealots and came back to beat me with mutas because I'm terrible.
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On April 12 2010 11:27 hoborg wrote:
What about just "g"? Does that mean "bad game" or does it mean they just tried to type "gg" but hit enter too soon? What do you type back to "g"??
I played some Korean 12 year old on iccup who "g"ed after I went 2gate against him... but then he apparently got annoyed at me that I didn't "g" back, ended up killing my poorly microed zealots and came back to beat me with mutas because I'm terrible.
That's pretty funny! Did it make you 'gg' in return more often?
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I've had games where I destroy someone and they call 'gg'... But keep on playing. Then when I take out the natural they build 20 cannons at... they cal 'gg' again so i reply 'gg again'... then then when i kill their proxy pylon sitting in a corner of the map they call 'gg' a third time and leave.
Like... FOR REALZ?
I've also had someone accusing me of hacking and told me they were reporting me to blizzard. Sorry that I beat your mass immortals buddy.
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Hey, since this is in the strategy forum, shouldn't we be talking about the strategic applications of saying "gg" without quitting?
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houck -Saying gg is nice, but not saying it should not be seen as a negative.
I agree with this mostly, it's not that we should look down on the people that don't GG but we should look up to the people who do GG. They are better gamers, fostering a community with values.
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I think etiquette is going to be an issue for the first years of sc2 overall. Everyone who played sc/bw has gotten used to a very high level of manners. Afterall, after ten years only the really dedicated people remained and the people who will write "fuck you" when you win are also the kind of people who do not have the attention span to stay with a game for ten years.
Now a lot of new people are coming into sc2 which is good, among those new people there are many who may be there still when sc2 is ten years old. But then again, there will also be a lot of people who can't behave and who take themselves way too serious, aka fucktards.
Its not just gg its people getting literally pissed off in games and takes it out into the chat. I actually just played a TvZ on Steppes of War that was fairly even up until his first push failed, I countered wiped the workers and overlords off his natural with MM, then he managed to halt me with banelings, I got tanks and MMM and contained and pushed. All the while he was typing away in the chat random cursewords along with his life story about how sick he was of loosing to "noob terrans" and in very flavorful ways he described how badly I sucked and then he went into a true hissy fit and started writing in caps as if he was typing to blizzard asking them to omg nerf terran etc etc
A type example of the kind of player we may have to get used to for awhile until people like him get fed up and go back to playing quake.
Ofcourse, I took the high road and did not write a thing in response, wiped his expansions off the face of the planet, set up a contain around his main, built eight ghost academies and nuked his main.
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I leave after gg. Though I had one person respond to my "gg" with "not really, you pretty much suck." I replied that if he wanted it that way, I could always lift and make him get air to kill my buildings so he should probably be less bm. Then I left. Hopefully he'll think better of it next time :p
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Haha I did this today. I couldn't figure out what the Protoss was doing when suddenly I found a pilon and loads of turrets in my main I said GG but was fuming Then I suddenly thought I still got my expansion and that was an absurd amount of turrets and he has literally no army at his main.
So I moved to my expansion rebuilt and won. It probably was bad mannered but its not like he stopped when I said GG.
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On April 12 2010 11:45 Funchucks wrote:
Hey, since this is in the strategy forum, shouldn't we be talking about the strategic applications of saying "gg" without quitting?
Clearly, the strategic issue that we absolute HAVE to address though for the sake of the metagame is the subtle art of gg timing!
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On April 12 2010 11:49 ymirheim wrote:
Ofcourse, I took the high road and did not write a thing in response, wiped his expansions off the face of the planet, set up a contain around his main, built eight ghost academies and nuked his main.
Haha! Nicely done. The best response to someone with bad manners is to humiliate them in-game in that manner. Finishing someone off with your workers might also be fun.
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this is one reason i don't chat.
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On April 12 2010 06:49 nonymous wrote:
a lot of people who play sc2 played wow. and everyone in wow, regardless of how they act in other games or in real life. are trolls/assholes or asstrolls.
i play wow. i am an asstroll..
enough said.
Except in WoW, you have the option to mute shit like General and Trade chats where the 12-year-old downies are spamming Anal/Chuck Norris jokes or flexing their epeen. In SC2, you're forced to listen to the other moron rant incoherent shit that makes no sense (unless there's a magical option to turn off All chat in SC2 that no one has told me about).
In case people have forgotten, "GG" is an abbreviation for "Good Game". If it wasn't a "Good Game", then you have every right not say it before bailing on a game you're about to lose. This not-saying-gg-at-the-end-of-a-game-is-BM is pure bullshit. If you really wanna see bad manners, go play CSS or MW2 for a day. Better yet, try spending 1 hour in a DotA/HoN game.
As for losing because the other guy said GG and continued to play... well, it goes back to that saying "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." Etiquette is overrated in computer games. For the most part, it doesn't exist. The amount of assholes will always outnumber the amount of people with half a shred of decency, and it will stay that way until technology evolves to the point where you can punch your opponent in the face through your monitor. Then people will think twice before acting like a dick.
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On April 12 2010 12:05 zkev wrote:
In case people have forgotten, "GG" is an abbreviation for "Good Game". If it wasn't a "Good Game", then you have every right not say it before bailing on a game you're about to lose. This not-saying-gg-at-the-end-of-a-game-is-BM is pure bullshit.
Are you one of those guys who won't say "good morning" when it's cloudy, and explains this to everyone who says "good morning" to him?
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This happens alot. Ive talked to my friend about it and we've concluded that these players are clearly trainning for blizzcon.
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On April 12 2010 12:11 Funchucks wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2010 12:05 zkev wrote:
In case people have forgotten, "GG" is an abbreviation for "Good Game". If it wasn't a "Good Game", then you have every right not say it before bailing on a game you're about to lose. This not-saying-gg-at-the-end-of-a-game-is-BM is pure bullshit. Are you one of those guys who won't say "good morning" when it's cloudy, and explains this to everyone who says "good morning" to him?
Would you consider me to have very bad manners if I said "hey what's up" as a greeting instead of "good morning"? In fact, I don't say "good morning" when it's cloudy, but I also don't explain to people why I don't say it. And so far nobody has criticized my etiquette because I refuse to say "good morning" when I just walked into work completely soaked or with 2 inches of snow on top of my head.
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I think we can all agree it's bad etiquette to say GG then try and still win the game or drag it out like a @$%&bend.
Just play on, practice macro/expoing+multitasking or whatever you feel you struggle with. A good opportunity to practice your weak points.
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haven't had any bad experiences here, and so far there's been one or two people who's preemptively said 'gg'... I just don't stop playing until it's f10eq time
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On April 12 2010 06:25 QuothTheRaven wrote:
Saying GG and continuing to play is *extremely* bad mannered. I don't think I've ever seen someone do it, but I'm in upper-platinum where the players generally prefer to just leave and start a new game.
It's OK in general, I think, to say GG and chat with your opponent for a little while about the game and strategies etc., assuming you stop all unit production / attacks / attempts to win the game. I'm fine with this, though I usually make sure I'm inside his base killing him while we're chatting (and then just leave an extractor alive or something if I have more to say).
Anyone that either says gg and continues playing or doesn't say gg is a f*g. It's probably just in Americuh though cause all Americans are BM.
Just keep on macroing and kill them off even if they want to chat.
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I wont bother getting into the etiquette of gg or not gg'ing since in the end it's all personal preference unless a league makes it mandatory (a la Korea).
I've encountered the people who do GG and don't leave a lot. I think a lot of beta players whose only background is primarily WoW don't really think about leaving. I think they know it's over and aren't trying to be dicks, but they just don't think that leaving saves themselves some time in the long run.
Obviously there are some asshats who do it to grief, but I doubt all of them are given the frequency at which it occurs.
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GG, to me, means that you concede graciously and that the match is done. I see very few, if any, players following this standard though. It's more of an automatic response from some people now instead of a concession. They acknowledge that the game is over, but they don't leave -- it has nothing to do with the game being good, but potentially being over. I get a lot of "gg" "your race is imbalanced, that why i lost" as they keep fighting and prolonging the game as long as they can. Whatever. Like everyone else is saying, don't stop your macro, keep playing as if the game is still live.
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lol I never knew how sensitive SC players were until I read this thread. Seriously people if someone doesn't say "gg" who cares? Also if you lose to someone cause he said "gg" and you stopped playing that is your fault and yours alone. Just laugh it off and play your next match. I mean, its Beta.
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In SC2 when you play against the computer, the computer will 'GG' once it's about to lose, but it will force you to kill off all it's buildings before you actually win. I wonder if that is setting a bad example to new players about the use of GG, if GG without leaving is as common as it sounds.
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The general RTS community is really sensitive about manners... I would love to know why. I mean compare that to the Counter-Strike community it's so different, trash talk and bad mouthing other players is generally accepted and not frowned upon.
It's possible that sometimes you dont "gg" at the end of a game because you're frustrated, annoyed, busy with something else, distracted or just forgot.
I personally think people should stop saying "manners" it's really a childish mentally that should stop.
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Is it ok to say "FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-" and then immediately leave? If I was on the receiving end I would find it funny
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On April 12 2010 14:09 Martinni wrote:
The general RTS community is really sensitive about manners... I would love to know why. I mean compare that to the Counter-Strike community it's so different, trash talk and bad mouthing other players is generally accepted and not frowned upon.
It's possible that sometimes you dont "gg" at the end of a game because you're frustrated, annoyed, busy with something else, distracted or just forgot.
I personally think people should stop saying "manners" it's really a childish mentally that should stop.
The bulk of the current SC community spends a lot of its time watching Koreans. The Koreans have the extremely strict rules and required gg's, no talking in games, etc... It'll be interesting after SC2 goes live to see how the community changes from the influx of people who don't give 2 shits about Korean SC BW.
It's rubbed off on the people who watched to learn and whatnot. That, and crappy k-pop.
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On April 12 2010 12:20 zkev wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2010 12:11 Funchucks wrote:On April 12 2010 12:05 zkev wrote:
In case people have forgotten, "GG" is an abbreviation for "Good Game". If it wasn't a "Good Game", then you have every right not say it before bailing on a game you're about to lose. This not-saying-gg-at-the-end-of-a-game-is-BM is pure bullshit. Are you one of those guys who won't say "good morning" when it's cloudy, and explains this to everyone who says "good morning" to him? Would you consider me to have very bad manners if I said "hey what's up" as a greeting instead of "good morning"? In fact, I don't say "good morning" when it's cloudy, but I also don't explain to people why I don't say it. And so far nobody has criticized my etiquette because I refuse to say "good morning" when I just walked into work completely soaked or with 2 inches of snow on top of my head.
It does show a lack of social aptitude. Good morning as it is usually used does not literally mean 'it is a good morning.'
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On April 12 2010 14:13 I_Love_Bacon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2010 14:09 Martinni wrote:
The general RTS community is really sensitive about manners... I would love to know why. I mean compare that to the Counter-Strike community it's so different, trash talk and bad mouthing other players is generally accepted and not frowned upon.
It's possible that sometimes you dont "gg" at the end of a game because you're frustrated, annoyed, busy with something else, distracted or just forgot.
I personally think people should stop saying "manners" it's really a childish mentally that should stop. The bulk of the current SC community spends a lot of its time watching Koreans. The Koreans have the extremely strict rules and required gg's, no talking in games, etc... It'll be interesting after SC2 goes live to see how the community changes from the influx of people who don't give 2 shits about Korean SC BW. It's rubbed off on the people who watched to learn and whatnot. That, and crappy k-pop.
I hope the sc2 community adopt a friendlier general etiquette... I mean don't try to emulate the progamers chances no one here is gonna make a buck out of this game. I don't know why I just have this pictures of a teenagers with bright red dragon t-shirt reading manga in a my head. Kinda sad actually lol.
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Sounds like 2v2v2v2 BGH, you have one scv? dont worry man youve got this
edit: talking about the guy that mass marined the op and lost
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On April 12 2010 12:49 Mente wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2010 06:25 QuothTheRaven wrote:
Saying GG and continuing to play is *extremely* bad mannered. I don't think I've ever seen someone do it, but I'm in upper-platinum where the players generally prefer to just leave and start a new game.
It's OK in general, I think, to say GG and chat with your opponent for a little while about the game and strategies etc., assuming you stop all unit production / attacks / attempts to win the game. I'm fine with this, though I usually make sure I'm inside his base killing him while we're chatting (and then just leave an extractor alive or something if I have more to say). Anyone that either says gg and continues playing or doesn't say gg is a f*g. It's probably just in Americuh though cause all Americans are BM. Just keep on macroing and kill them off even if they want to chat.
I'm laughing at how not saying gg means you're a f*g. What exactly does calling someone a f*g make you? It's two bloody letters. It's not that big of a deal. Someone compared RTS players to nuns and I really think this metaphor is true. Everything that isn't super respectful is bad mannered and rude. Go play a game with a stranger on Bad Company 2, THATS bad manners. Not saying gg is just nothing in comparison to what goes on in other games genres.
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On April 12 2010 14:28 Alou wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2010 12:49 Mente wrote:On April 12 2010 06:25 QuothTheRaven wrote:
Saying GG and continuing to play is *extremely* bad mannered. I don't think I've ever seen someone do it, but I'm in upper-platinum where the players generally prefer to just leave and start a new game.
It's OK in general, I think, to say GG and chat with your opponent for a little while about the game and strategies etc., assuming you stop all unit production / attacks / attempts to win the game. I'm fine with this, though I usually make sure I'm inside his base killing him while we're chatting (and then just leave an extractor alive or something if I have more to say). Anyone that either says gg and continues playing or doesn't say gg is a f*g. It's probably just in Americuh though cause all Americans are BM. Just keep on macroing and kill them off even if they want to chat. I'm laughing at how not saying gg means you're a f*g. What exactly does calling someone a f*g make you? It's two bloody letters. It's not that big of a deal. Someone compared RTS players to nuns and I really think this metaphor is true. Everything that isn't super respectful is bad mannered and rude. Go play a game with a stranger on Bad Company 2, THATS bad manners. Not saying gg is just nothing in comparison to what goes on in other games genres.
But the reason starcraft players say gg compared to others is the fact that there is an established league and proscene where a gg is required. The scene has an example to follow on what to do when a game ends. You don't have any of that for other games.
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Yeah that has happened a few times to me also, quite annoying.
I must admit that I am one of those terrans that will float their buildings up and force you to tech to air to eliminate me. But ONLY if you tick me off! I've only done it once or twice when those damn protoss proxy gate or proxy cannon me... just so infuriating that they dont have to work for their win, so I make them work while I grab some food.
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On April 12 2010 14:09 Martinni wrote:
The general RTS community is really sensitive about manners... I would love to know why. I mean compare that to the Counter-Strike community it's so different, trash talk and bad mouthing other players is generally accepted and not frowned upon.
It's possible that sometimes you dont "gg" at the end of a game because you're frustrated, annoyed, busy with something else, distracted or just forgot.
I personally think people should stop saying "manners" it's really a childish mentally that should stop.
I think that when you play 1v1 Starcraft there's a totally different dynamic going on between the players as opposed to in FPS games. For one thing, the simple fact that it's 1v1 - you don't have a team or a crowd to openly boast to. Compare any traditional team game (basketball, hockey) to any traditional 1v1 game (tennis, chess) and see which has more trash talk. Or compare 1v1 SC to 2v2v2v2 BGH. It's just kinda... a more intimate relationship between competitors, I think. You're sort of forced to think like your opponent to devise a strategy to beat your opponent, and that requires a degree of respect for your opponent.
It also just seems like in FPS trash talk is more suited for the level of action - it can get you pumped and out for blood which could actually make the game more interesting, wheras in an RTS trash talk can only make you on tilt and make stupid errors.
Also... manners are childish? wat.
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On April 12 2010 14:55 hoborg wrote:
Also... manners are childish? wat.
Manners aren't childish but posting a post here on how so-and-so is so bm because he said mean things is childish to me. People should be able to take some and give some and not be so affected by it. I must admit I sometime troll people and have a nice laugh at their expenses when they get offended / really mad... I'm guilty!
I see your point, but can you imagine how much more interesting tennis would be if there was a Serena Williams incident at every game, or some intense trash talking going on between the 2 players
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I absolutely hate when people prematurely say GG at the start or say GG when they are rolling inside my base killing my nexus and such, honestly the BM has gotten to the point that I barely say GL HF or GG anymore.
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Best feeling is when someone offensive GG's because they rushed mutas in a ZvZ and killed a lot of drones but you stay in the game anyways, and they get eager and stupidly lose your units then you win the game in a long drawn out macro war.
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Osaka27156 Posts
It is just a matter of having honour and respecting intellect.
Guys who engage in gang warfare and get off by shooting people virtually are obviously the base element of the gaming community. See XBox Live Halo players for Exhibit A, or 1400 lb, 5 person CS teams at WCG for exhibit B.
RTS players, and particularily BW players, appreciate the fine art they are undertaking. They are exposing themselves in a battle of wills and mental strength. The willingness to engage in spirited competition, unprotected by teammates, should be celebrated. Even the worst player in BW deserves a GG for playing a man's game.
To not GG is to not respect the art.
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On April 12 2010 15:09 Manifesto7 wrote:
RTS players, and particularily BW players, appreciate the fine art they are undertaking. They are exposing themselves in a battle of wills and mental strength. The willingness to engage in spirited competition, unprotected by teammates, should be celebrated. Even the worst player in BW deserves a GG for playing a man's game.
Are you saying competitive CS and other FPS does not require as much intellect, will power? You seem to say that they're brutes throwing stones at each other while SC players are sophisticated intellectuals.
I can't count the hours I spent (read: wasted) with my CS team to come up with strats, position and set ups in an empty server. You need the self control and patience to wait in your spot stay absolutely quiet for the enemy to magically appear, it is not an easy task.
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On April 12 2010 15:28 Martinni wrote:
patience to wait in your spot stay absolutely quiet for the enemy to magically appear, it is not an easy task.
sounds pretty ez to me
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On April 12 2010 15:28 Martinni wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2010 15:09 Manifesto7 wrote:
RTS players, and particularily BW players, appreciate the fine art they are undertaking. They are exposing themselves in a battle of wills and mental strength. The willingness to engage in spirited competition, unprotected by teammates, should be celebrated. Even the worst player in BW deserves a GG for playing a man's game. Are you saying competitive CS and other FPS does not require as much intellect, will power? You seem to say that they're brutes throwing stones at each other while SC players are sophisticated intellectuals. I can't count the hours I spent (read: wasted) with my CS team to come up with strats, position and set ups in an empty server. You need the self control and patience to wait in your spot stay absolutely quiet for the enemy to magically appear, it is not an easy task.
Camp wait for someone to come around a corner while your hard scoped? lol sounds very very hard to me hahaha.
But yeah i have had about 10 games so far where people gg and then try and build another base and keep playing the game after i wipe out their main and natural. Its really dumb. I also had one guy gg and he had taken the high yield and massed carriers and rolled in with 14 of em and i almost lost.
offensive gg isnt as common at the lower lvls i dont think? I haven't experienced it but seen it more at the platinum lvls where everything thinks they are amazing and if they lose its because of imba
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Osaka27156 Posts
On April 12 2010 15:28 Martinni wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2010 15:09 Manifesto7 wrote:
RTS players, and particularily BW players, appreciate the fine art they are undertaking. They are exposing themselves in a battle of wills and mental strength. The willingness to engage in spirited competition, unprotected by teammates, should be celebrated. Even the worst player in BW deserves a GG for playing a man's game. Are you saying competitive CS and other FPS does not require as much intellect, will power? You seem to say that they're brutes throwing stones at each other while SC players are sophisticated intellectuals.
This is exactly what I am saying.
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Isn't there some happy middle ground where we can all be sophisticated intellectuals throwing stones at each other?
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Osaka27156 Posts
Yeah, that is called politics.
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I think the community is sensitive because it has been relatively small and personal. What we're seeing is the inevitable change that comes along when something becomes massively popular online. MMORPGs are a great example of this, too; small communities are very generous and kind towards each other, but then massive communities like in Warcraft are relatively impersonal, impatient, and mostly immature. The international Starcraft community is about to blow up in the same way.
Regardless, it's a dick move to try to prolong a game as long as possible when it's obviously and unquestionably over.
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On April 12 2010 16:02 Manifesto7 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2010 15:28 Martinni wrote:On April 12 2010 15:09 Manifesto7 wrote:
RTS players, and particularily BW players, appreciate the fine art they are undertaking. They are exposing themselves in a battle of wills and mental strength. The willingness to engage in spirited competition, unprotected by teammates, should be celebrated. Even the worst player in BW deserves a GG for playing a man's game. Are you saying competitive CS and other FPS does not require as much intellect, will power? You seem to say that they're brutes throwing stones at each other while SC players are sophisticated intellectuals. This is exactly what I am saying.
Haha, so awesome! xD
On topic however, I would say I get annoyed when people leave without gg-ing, and I don't think I've ever left a match without saying gg first (and then immediatly leaving ofcourse).
This is probably why I don't like IdrA as well, even though it can sometimes be entertaining to watch as an audience, it's just not very respectul towards the guy you're playing.
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RTS players, and particularily BW players, appreciate the fine art they are undertaking. They are exposing themselves in a battle of wills and mental strength. The willingness to engage in spirited competition, unprotected by teammates, should be celebrated. Even the worst player in BW deserves a GG for playing a man's game.
To not GG is to not respect the art.
I want this quote in the multiplayer tutorial missions of Starcraft 2! This is "exaketededly"the way I feel about it.
But back to topic! I just played a Terran on bnet and was simply outmacroed and frustrated to lose a 30 min game that turned out seemingly unspectacular. I felt unequipped and shitty about the loss, however, I wrote "GG" and praised his solid playstyle because he straight up beat me without showing weakness.
Well, so I tried to get my feelings out of the way and started the next game...."player found!" and guess what, it was the same Terran again! We made some jokes in the beginning and in the end I won in a pretty close battle. He was very kind and said something like:" haha, you got your revenge huh  GG, WP!"
You can imagine how good i felt! The epitome of an sportsman! Too bad that this man is an exception to the rule....
EDIT: I guess this passage is too good to waste. Gotta put it in my Profile!
EDIT²: too big -.-
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There were 3 kinds of players in WC3
The true sportsman, this players usually starts out with “hi gl” and always ends with a “gg” or “well played”.
The sore loser, is the player who won’t say anything and simply leaves the game.
The dickhead, is the guy who usually starts off with insults. Then once they believe victory is secure and they are about to attack they type “gg noob”. Saying “gg” first when you are the winner is extremely rude which is the point.
I hated the dickhead players but when they say “gg noob” and you manage to comeback and win, wow! That makes the win so much sweeter. In fact I don’t remember any of my games against polite players but I remember this one dickhead like it was yesterday.
Right of the bat this guy starts off with the insults. Then I lose my hero to an early ghoul rush, he typed something along the lines of "gg now leave noob". Things are really starting to look bad but then a little later I managed to snipe his hero and he says “I dont loose to noobs like you”. 20+ minutes later I finally battled back and won the game with the guy talking trash the entire game. It was one of my most satisfying wins in WC3. I posted the repay, tons of players watched it and laughed at this asshole.
So just remember when you do face “the dickhead” it might turn out to become one of your most memorable wins.
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I've my own account (Europe - Platinum), I usually face good manners there. Also I'm playing on that of my brother atm (bronze, trying to check how fast I can get myself back to gold from down there), there's a lot of guys who either don't write at all or are kinda unmannered. Partially it's just because they're bad players, for example they write flames or "bg" as soon as I do some non-standard build orders such as 9 rax reaper.
In cups such as Zotac or esl go4sc2 I only met friendly people so far although I know that there are some idiots around as well.
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I'll usually gg and leave after they throw it back, but sometimes I'll chat while they kill off my stuff if the game was particularly interesting or whatever. I find a lot of people rage quit against me because if I win, I usually win pretty decisively. I don't have to many back and forth games to be honest, I either rape or get raped.
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I think the reason why so many loves good manners in SC(or RTS in general?) is the fact that if you see/hear chat in CS, Halo, DotA, CoD and most other games, it's a ocean of foul mouthed swearing kids, and THAT is annoying as hell, even so much that you can loose the joy of the game, hell i'ts the reason why i stopped playing LoL, and i enjoyed alot the time i played, but in the end, hearing 9 people go ape-shit in 15-40 min just gets old really fast
my 2 cent
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I always GG's and then most of the time leaves. But sometime i stay put and chat if the game was intressting, maybe send in my SCVs to he's army just for the lulz while we are chatting but never let him kill off my buildings before i leave, that's just stupid.
I'm in upper Gold and i sometimes se bad behavior. People not saying "gl" or "hf" and just playing, and then just leave when it's a loss. Usually these players that don't say anything can't play the game at all, and the polite one's can.
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As for losing because the other guy said GG and continued to play... well, it goes back to that saying "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." Etiquette is overrated in computer games. For the most part, it doesn't exist. The amount of assholes will always outnumber the amount of people with half a shred of decency, and it will stay that way until technology evolves to the point where you can punch your opponent in the face through your monitor. Then people will think twice before acting like a dick.
Not this. It is mostly new gamers that are like that; acting like, as someone put it fucktards. Anyone with any kind of deep gaming background has a forum background and that's where the manners are generally injected. You shouldn't wait for someone to not gg and call them bad manners. You should just say "ah, a real competitor, that's how it's done" when you do see it. It is good manners to acknowledge your opponent, you will obviously get those fucktards and douchebags that don't but in most sports you congratulate opponents win or lose with something be it a hand shake, a nod, a salute whatever. It should be noted that as it is penalized in other sports bad sportsmanship is also penalized in Starcraft through community policing that blizzard does. You can report players for abusive action and it can result in action like them getting temp or perma-banned. I personally am glad that there is pressure on the community (from the core members no less) to move in this direction of more then simply digital conflict.
Anyone who plays with bad manners, who can't lose gracefully and or can't win gracefully is really just doing themselves a disservice.
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On April 12 2010 15:09 Manifesto7 wrote:
It is just a matter of having honour and respecting intellect.
Guys who engage in gang warfare and get off by shooting people virtually are obviously the base element of the gaming community. See XBox Live Halo players for Exhibit A, or 1400 lb, 5 person CS teams at WCG for exhibit B.
RTS players, and particularily BW players, appreciate the fine art they are undertaking. They are exposing themselves in a battle of wills and mental strength. The willingness to engage in spirited competition, unprotected by teammates, should be celebrated. Even the worst player in BW deserves a GG for playing a man's game.
To not GG is to not respect the art.
fuck art
its a competition
if you dont get pissed off when you lose you dont care enough
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fuck art
its a competition
if you dont get pissed off when you lose you dont care enough
If you are such a child that you can't compose yourself or simply stay quite you don't deserve to compete. It's not like if you mutter something under your breath we hear it and call bad manners you have to actively send the comment on b.net with chat. It's fine to swear at the wall but raging online is just laughable it's akin to throwing a tantrum in public... hey if that's how you want to be seen it's fine with me.
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im extremely glad its fine with you, i was considering maturing for a second there.
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not GGing at the end of the game when you're frustated is alright, I ragequit from time to time as well. It gets funny tho when you're playing with a bm teammate. I played ppvzt once on twilight fortress, we both went carriers and he just started yelling at me cause we were bout to lose. After i typed in gg, he was like "OMG WHAT A STUPID ALLY" and then he went on telling the enemy team what a nub i was. I laughed extremely hard, having the "angry gamer vs. starcraft" in mind.
Another day i killed protos with mass zerlings, and he hid a probe somewhere to wait for the server to shut down for a new patch. I couldnt find it, both got dropped, and when I logged in again, I saw that I "lost" the game. I was never as angry in my life before :D
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I'm somewhat surprised that so many people seem to frown upon not offering a "gg" before leaving, as doing so strikes me as somewhat of a pointless exercise. If you say "gg" every time you lose, how can it mean anything that F10 E S Q doesn't?
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United States22883 Posts
On April 12 2010 21:41 jabberwokie wrote:Show nested quote +As for losing because the other guy said GG and continued to play... well, it goes back to that saying "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." Etiquette is overrated in computer games. For the most part, it doesn't exist. The amount of assholes will always outnumber the amount of people with half a shred of decency, and it will stay that way until technology evolves to the point where you can punch your opponent in the face through your monitor. Then people will think twice before acting like a dick. Not this. It is mostly new gamers that are like that; acting like, as someone put it fucktards. Anyone with any kind of deep gaming background has a forum background and that's where the manners are generally injected. You shouldn't wait for someone to not gg and call them bad manners. You should just say "ah, a real competitor, that's how it's done" when you do see it. It is good manners to acknowledge your opponent, you will obviously get those fucktards and douchebags that don't but in most sports you congratulate opponents win or lose with something be it a hand shake, a nod, a salute whatever. It should be noted that as it is penalized in other sports bad sportsmanship is also penalized in Starcraft through community policing that blizzard does. You can report players for abusive action and it can result in action like them getting temp or perma-banned. I personally am glad that there is pressure on the community (from the core members no less) to move in this direction of more then simply digital conflict. Anyone who plays with bad manners, who can't lose gracefully and or can't win gracefully is really just doing themselves a disservice.
Are you kidding? It's a courtesy. Enforcing it completely delegitimizes saying gg at all, and you're not only a little prick if you report someone for it, you're wasting Blizzard's time as well. Granted, I think American SC players tend to be more hotheaded than other competitive games and drama-seeking at times, but being pissed off and not gging is not uncommon in any competitive game. I think the one thing that seemed to tethered CS players a bit more is the fact that they have team chat to talk shit about their opponents, and for most people that's enough.
I rarrrrrely ever rage while gaming and I can't remember not going through the whole gg thing (actually, I can. Fuck you, Nameless) but I truly don't care whether the other player ggs or not. In fact, if I'm annoyed, I'm more likely to type out something like "Fantastic game, you played excellently." If you just judge the words without the context, which is what you're proposing, it sounds like I'm being nice. But I'm not, they can go to hell.
At least in SC2 you've got the replay, so it's not a big hassle every time someone accuses you of cheating when you win (which will happen,) plus you can't get packeted.
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I think it's happened to every SC player at least once. I had a match on scrapyard a few days ago where my main was destroyed, but I floated away (I was terran, the other guy was protoss) to the island expansion, set up shop there and the guy called GG. Well I guess he didn't know that I had build a fleet of BCs, but he wound up losing AND looking like a jerk.
Also, on occasion you will tell someone gl hf in the beginning of a match and they will respond with some childish retort like "suck it" or "go kill yourself." Truly juvenile, but don't let it get to you. just better yourself as a player, and you will get the most satisfaction out of smashing them into the ground.
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Saying GG and not leaving the game is f***ing BM ! I'm a noob and even I know that. If you said GG, leave the f**king game. That's all there is to it. But in any case, I do not stop macroing and attacking till he leaves the game. You never know, how stupid and BM your oponent is...
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I could really care less if someone GG's or not. 99% of the time I will throw one out if I am the looser and continue to my next game. Though if I have had a few drinks and I have accepted defeat I might continue to sing a Journey song for my opponent until my last building falls.
However, if I have someone toss out the "offensive GG" as they are tearing into my base... you can count on me to lift my buildings and force them to find me in the random locations of the map. Half the time this happens as I am typing GG in myself . I assume its someone who is very impacient and I can get under their skin for my last few minutes of the game.
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Jibba, by saying you can report players for abusive action I am not suggesting you do it when they don't ",gg"... When they go off the deep end because you legit beat them and they start using a lot of expletives and slurs; that's when you should report it because those people truly are taking away from the community. Also you should read the thread because I think if you read my other posts we sit in much the same boat my friend.
If you say to me "Fantastic game, you played excellently." Then leave I would take that as a well mannered exit regardless of what was going through your head while you typed it or any game situation, I would respect you for that. Even if you meant the worst things by it. I would have no idea and that's as it should be - ignorance is bliss. I expect that winning would "light a fire under the opponents ass" in that it would motivate them to new heights of achievement and thus victory or epic failure in an attempt... isn't that what competition is about?
True competitors know that the best judge is by the strength of the opponent and thus disrespecting the opponent can be seen as disrespecting themselves. Inversely if we respect and honor our opponent we respect and honor ourselves.
It's also not about drawing a line in the sand. of corse there is a spectrum of circumstances in which appropriate action will vary.
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On April 12 2010 05:26 Gont wrote:
never happened to me in platinum
but i usually dont chat much anyways...hf at the beginning and gg at the end is the only thing i write most of the times...i rly hate people always asking "from?" and stuff like that :/
It has also never happened to me in platnium, but I think chatting is a very interesting part of the game. but any chat that may occur should only happen at the beginning of any game. For example, I like to ask my opponents how their day is going. =))))
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Dunno, most of the times I just say nothing at the start or at the end of the game. The ladder system involves such little need of communication you don't really need to say anything. I have to admit I used to think people not saying gg or bming were a little disturbing, but now I simply don't care.
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It seems to me that most of the people who think it is bad manners, need something of assurance in this game to make themselves feel better for winning. Why not get Blizzard to program it in, when the game starts you automatically say GL HF. When you do the old F10 + E + Q you automatically say GG to the winner. Seriously I don't get offended when people don't GG me. There are a lot of things that could happen that would be worse than a non GG.
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On April 12 2010 21:42 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2010 15:09 Manifesto7 wrote:
It is just a matter of having honour and respecting intellect.
Guys who engage in gang warfare and get off by shooting people virtually are obviously the base element of the gaming community. See XBox Live Halo players for Exhibit A, or 1400 lb, 5 person CS teams at WCG for exhibit B.
RTS players, and particularily BW players, appreciate the fine art they are undertaking. They are exposing themselves in a battle of wills and mental strength. The willingness to engage in spirited competition, unprotected by teammates, should be celebrated. Even the worst player in BW deserves a GG for playing a man's game.
To not GG is to not respect the art. fuck art its a competition if you dont get pissed off when you lose you dont care enough
That is a very childish thing to say. Go tell a Korean pro gamer that what they've practiced for 11 years isn't an artform, and see how many of them agree with you. Or better yet, go watch the latest Korea Reacts episode. Coach Ha of MBC Game even said it's an art. And as good as you may be at starcraft, I don't really think you can compare to him...Sorry.
I sincerely hope your statement was sarcasm.
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Happened to me once, and I just got this idea. I said "you know you can leave right? F10, e, q" and he was like "oooooh, wow" and then left. I'd gotten a hunch from his play that game and indeed he just didn't know that he could leave without being destroyed. :p
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Lol.. every now and then there comes along a noob and starts this thread.. how many times has this thread been created..? It's like how do I defend 4pool in the strat section. And every time it gets the same type of replies. Imo, a "To gg or not to gg"-thread should be stickied in one of the forums so that whenever this comes up, a person can be pointed in its direction.
Anyway, time for my two cents - I don't see the need for gging in a ladder game. Personally, I never gg unless it is a person I know or some kind of official event. I also don't get upset if my opponent does not gg when he loses. Nobody is going to thank you for gging and - most often - nobody will yell at you for not gging.
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Props to OP for the Dune reference. 2nd guy I notice using a Dune name in a short time.
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i always gg even if im really pissed, not gging is disrespectful to your opponent imo, its the gaming version of a handshake so..
on another note why are all these newschool highranked players so cocky LOL, everyones a hotshot in sc2
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On April 13 2010 03:10 Osmoses wrote:
Happened to me once, and I just got this idea. I said "you know you can leave right? F10, e, q" and he was like "oooooh, wow" and then left. I'd gotten a hunch from his play that game and indeed he just didn't know that he could leave without being destroyed. :p
Ha ha ha... post replay. 15 apm wow-player, I'm guessing.
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It is kinda frustrating for someone to gg and not leave but it shouldn't make you angry.. just continue playing as normal imo.
Also, legends never gg.
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seriously i hate chatting. always when my opponent types something in the beginning i smell cheese and always when i lose i would write some bad things so i usually try to type nothing.
if they type GG and dont leave smell gidden base or last all in.
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On April 13 2010 03:30 AmstAff wrote:
seriously i hate chatting. always when my opponent types something in the beginning i smell cheese and always when i lose i would write some bad things so i usually try to type nothing.
if they type GG and dont leave smell gidden base or last all in.
I always sense that they are cheesing when I say gl hf and they only say gl or hf.
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I usually sit and hang around until they gg, just to be a dick.
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On April 13 2010 03:10 meathook wrote:
Lol.. every now and then there comes along a noob and starts this thread.. how many times has this thread been created..? It's like how do I defend 4pool in the strat section. And every time it gets the same type of replies. Imo, a "To gg or not to gg"-thread should be stickied in one of the forums so that whenever this comes up, a person can be pointed in its direction.
Anyway, time for my two cents - I don't see the need for gging in a ladder game. Personally, I never gg unless it is a person I know or some kind of official event. I also don't get upset if my opponent does not gg when he loses. Nobody is going to thank you for gging and - most often - nobody will yell at you for not gging.
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Props to OP for the Dune reference. 2nd guy I notice using a Dune name in a short time.
Who is the other one?
I don't care (anymore) if people say gg or not, there are instances when I don't either. I love it when I get BM-ed though, that always makes me laugh - contrary to the BM-ers wishes
If I feel like it I chat a bit in the beginning of the game, sometimes I even start conversations myself (like asking "from?" if a certain nickname is interesting or anything). I always try to be helpful / respond if I get asked "What did I do wrong?" after my opponend conceded (happened like 10 times total though,but it's a beta so why not).
DeMusliM is a nice fellow, he always asks how my day has been so far, etc
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I can understand how someone might say "GG" in the heat of the moment. After a quick reassessment he could see an opportunity that he overlooked. I know that I have been guilty of this once or twice in the past.
It has never been part of my strategy to to abuse chat and GG to try and cheese a win. That's just BM.
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On April 13 2010 03:41 Naib wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 03:10 meathook wrote:
Lol.. every now and then there comes along a noob and starts this thread.. how many times has this thread been created..? It's like how do I defend 4pool in the strat section. And every time it gets the same type of replies. Imo, a "To gg or not to gg"-thread should be stickied in one of the forums so that whenever this comes up, a person can be pointed in its direction.
Anyway, time for my two cents - I don't see the need for gging in a ladder game. Personally, I never gg unless it is a person I know or some kind of official event. I also don't get upset if my opponent does not gg when he loses. Nobody is going to thank you for gging and - most often - nobody will yell at you for not gging.
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Props to OP for the Dune reference. 2nd guy I notice using a Dune name in a short time. Who is the other one?
Mentat. There're probably more, but among the ones recently regged it's Op and that guy.
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As it has been mentioned in the thread, might have done a few "offensive GG's" when just completely roflstomping on an opponent, but never to fake giving up.
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just hate mindless chit-chat like I do
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Just lost a game where my opponent gg`ed and then I lagged out after 3-4 minutes later where he just turtled off one base after I killed his expo, his tech, and most of his drones..
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I prefer the Idra way. Start out by complaining about last game and then when you, inevitably, lose, tell the other guy how big of a cheesy noob he is. Then proceed to TL.net forums and do the same. For good measure, throw in how imbalanced all the races, except the one your playing, is. I make a lot of friends this way actually!
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I dont stop playing until my opponent has left the game. I usually wait to say GG until its convenient as well, I don't interrupt micro/macro to GG. Often times my opponent leaves be4 I get to type GG but w/e.
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At lower brackets, there's so many noobs that refuse to gg and leave. They would gg and then build buildings all over the map, or gg when they thing they are about to win the game(of course they don't, cause my immortals are burning up the supply depots in the main while my probes kill the m&m).
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I always sense that they are cheesing when I say gl hf and they only say gl or hf.
Lol, I think that too. I often ask them, why no GL or no HF, depending on what they type.
Funniest BM story was when I typed GL HF to someone in a 1v1 ladder match and he started arguing why I had BM and was a liar. He claimed it was BM to say something you didn't mean, and pretty much spent 5 minutes calling me a liar.
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I just finish until the very end, even if they say GG. Don't let your guard down.
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I get that a lot too and I usually talk short and finish them off and then ask them after all of it what they wanted and then they usually just ignore me xD
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starcraft always had an unusually high degree of good manner compared to every other online game. starcraft 2 is going to bring people in from other communities who don't bring the manner.
one could speculate a lot of things why... but i'm going to guess it's just because starcraft is really hard and you get nothing out of it but the joy of playing and improving and that makes you grow up a bit. sometimes. if you're not idra.
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I'll say GG if its actually a good game. If someone cheeses me or bunker/cannon rushes me or something of that nature. Like when protoss come in and try to build cannons and gateways all over the place then you have to pull your scvs lines to kill them and he just cancels them to screw with your economy. Then i just leave. Cause thats not a good game.
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I throw up "good strat" or "nice cheese" because I really respect it and specifically its implementation. I do this before Im ready to tap out.
Once I can't win I gg and exit, or chat about stuff like 'do you want to practice together' etc but I never try and keep winning once the GG goes out.
People that do that just lose all respect from me.
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People always ignore the psychological aspect of gaming. It's just like the ref says to the boxers before the fight "protect yourself at all times" , once you let your guard down in the middle of a fight, regardless of what happens, it's your fault if you get burned for it.
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On April 13 2010 03:01 Kralic wrote:
It seems to me that most of the people who think it is bad manners, need something of assurance in this game to make themselves feel better for winning. Why not get Blizzard to program it in, when the game starts you automatically say GL HF. When you do the old F10 + E + Q you automatically say GG to the winner. Seriously I don't get offended when people don't GG me. There are a lot of things that could happen that would be worse than a non GG.
That reminds me of one guy I played against, he lost hard, and in the end he wrote "i hope you mom die". :D He could at least write it correctly
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I like chatting in game before or after the gg. There's no chat channel so it makes it very hard to meet new friends. Most of the time, it's friendly. The only time it wasn't was when I defeated a player and he started complaining.
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I used to lan sc1 with a group of friends FFA. My friend Sean would always "die" and float off somewhere and then end the game with a battle cruiser rush or something stupid while the rest of us were still duking it out.
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On April 12 2010 16:02 Manifesto7 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2010 15:28 Martinni wrote:On April 12 2010 15:09 Manifesto7 wrote:
RTS players, and particularily BW players, appreciate the fine art they are undertaking. They are exposing themselves in a battle of wills and mental strength. The willingness to engage in spirited competition, unprotected by teammates, should be celebrated. Even the worst player in BW deserves a GG for playing a man's game. Are you saying competitive CS and other FPS does not require as much intellect, will power? You seem to say that they're brutes throwing stones at each other while SC players are sophisticated intellectuals. This is exactly what I am saying.
What a joke. I'll concede CS freely (it's to top level fps games as wc3 is to sc) but the higher skilled mtg formats and quakeworld are straight up as skillful as sc... and they have atrocious manners. I have had people say things to me in money games that would curl your hair.
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United States22883 Posts
On April 13 2010 12:37 USn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2010 16:02 Manifesto7 wrote:On April 12 2010 15:28 Martinni wrote:On April 12 2010 15:09 Manifesto7 wrote:
RTS players, and particularily BW players, appreciate the fine art they are undertaking. They are exposing themselves in a battle of wills and mental strength. The willingness to engage in spirited competition, unprotected by teammates, should be celebrated. Even the worst player in BW deserves a GG for playing a man's game. Are you saying competitive CS and other FPS does not require as much intellect, will power? You seem to say that they're brutes throwing stones at each other while SC players are sophisticated intellectuals. This is exactly what I am saying. What a joke. I'll concede CS freely (it's to top level fps games as wc3 is to sc) but the higher skilled mtg formats and quakeworld are straight up as skillful as sc... and they have atrocious manners. I have had people say things to me in money games that would curl your hair.
Spoken like a true Q3 player. ^^ Unfortunately, there's far more money in CS than the others and it was much more popular, which is totally unlike wc3 and sc. The failure of Fat and dkt to achieve anything near dominance should point to the different skill set required in CS than Q3.
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Osaka27156 Posts
FPS : Fred Penner :: _________ : Mozart
A) BW
B) BW
C) BW
D) BW
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On April 13 2010 13:30 Manifesto7 wrote:
FPS : Fred Penner :: _________ : Mozart
A) BW
B) BW
C) BW
D) BW
personally, i would say it's more like:
CS : Ja Rule :: _________ : Mozart
A) BW
B) BW
C) BW
D) BW
quake is different. quake is hard and takes a lot more practice and thinking than cs. I've never won money at quake, but i've won a few thousand at 1.6 and a few hundred with 2 source lans.
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United States22883 Posts
And Michael Jordan sucked at baseball. I think you're full of crap.
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Whenever someone says GL HF to my roommate he always responds with "Don't you dare"
It's so funny to see people freak out over it. On more then one occasion he's gotten people who type "Wht did i do???" for like 3 minutes.
Unless we're playing 2s for some reason. The he always sends a Gl HF back :p
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On April 12 2010 05:12 arb wrote:
when people gg after shitting on you, its called offensive gg.
this makes you angry then they usually kill you with scouts or something.
just dont chat with them and keep playing
Yup. Its good training. I really hate it when ppl say GG after winning a big fight or the game.
But its good training in the ways that one day you might actually play vs good players that are really bad mannered like Idra or so. If your aim is to get good at sc2 these are prolly the moments where u should try to be calm and you ll benefit from it.
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gg if its a gg. if its 1 sided or cheese or i lose....i got other things to do then lie via the net
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Hehehe, just played a person who said I was cheesing and said I should kill myself after I started my gateway on 10 and sent 3 zealots to harass his nat hatchery. Then he proceeded to say I was all-in attacking him with a 4gate immortal push right after I had gotten my own nat up and running.
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generally people have been well mannered, though I've had a few offencive gg's thrown at me, which is annoying. I will leave a game without saying gg if I'm in a bad mood though, and I don't consider it too bm if somebody leaves without gg if it wasn't a good game at all.
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I don't GG cheese, unless it's someone I've played before and I know it was a rare occasion. Other than that I give a gg when I lose. I never go for the preemptive "I win" gg.
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I had this happen to me yesterday. Someone lost their main and typed gg while they had a high yield and were expanding to a third, lol. This happens a ton to me 2vs2 too.
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personally, if someone writes GG to me, i feel like i have won. And usually let out a big sigh to get rid of the tension and finish him off if he doesnt leave.
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I don't understand. Theres no reason NOT to GG anything? If he cheesed, his stradegy beat your stradegy, even if it is lame. It sounds like QQing to me. Every loss is a lesson, and GG'ing shows this.
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When I play I'm gonna mix it up a bit just for fun. Still trying to think of ideas.
gg is too robotic and inauthentic
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Weird. Usually the people I play in silver ladder don't say anything.
Except the one person who spent the whole 5-minute game lecturing me about why luck has nothing to do with the game (due to my gl hf).
Other than that, the only GG i've ever seen is somebody who did so before I did when I was clearly losing. I think, at least in the lower-tier leagues, it's safe to assume that everyone is an ass.
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When people offensive GG you make pylons everywhere / float buildings away to be an asshole. Then you go get a bowl of cereal or something while your opponent kills all your shit around the map.
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Just GG then raven them to death.
That's what I did.
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Yeah after saying GG is really bad normally people just say GG then leave the game. But I guess it only happens in low levels as in Silver+ I havn't really seen it.
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This is something that puzzles me about the US servers. People will say "GG" after I've won a decisive battle and inflicted heavy damage to them, and then keep playing! Call me crazy, but I always took GG to mean that you were conceding and about to leave the game. Calling GG and then still trying to win defeats the whole point of saying GG, in my opinion.
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On April 12 2010 16:32 dronebabo wrote:
there is no such thing as gg etiquette over bnet if you don't know the player. i don't think it's bm to just leave without gging since you don't even know the fucker
Surprised I read this far into the thread, but I agree with the above.
Maybe once the divisions become more solidified a few months after release and you start seeing the same names more often, gg's at the end of games will become more the norm but for now whilst turnover is high I really don't see it as a problem in any way.
gg and not leaving can be annoying the first couple of times it happens but it's quite easily dealt with, just takes an extra 5 mins.
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maybe you are taking it the wrong way. maybe they are having a good time playing against you so they want to keep the last epic battle up or something? I've typed GG then kept playing for a minute or two, then I would type gg again before I actually leave.
at least they aren't saying "isnt this funny, you won without doing a single thing"
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perhaps you should take your opponents more literally; they are saying it's a good game. why would you want to leave so quick after you are announcing its a good game?
chyea
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I'm more concerned about the number of people following Idra's lead of not gging at all. It is common ettiquette to say it. You don't have to say gg, but I like it when people do.
And martT. You will rarely ever see the same people again on SC unless you friend them. SC is a big game. Lots of people.
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Hell yeah,
So many twits do this, this has led to me not saying anything ingame anymore.
I dont bother talking to players anymore during a game, if the guy wants to chit chat, well he can contact me after the game.
Too many of these chit chat twits to bother anymore with saying gg whether it be the start or end of the game.
3/5 is about the ratio ye, 60% of players are acting retarded, this again only goes to prove that Blizzard did not give beta keys to real starcraft players, but mostly to complaining gays of world of warcraft, seriously world of warcraft created a whole new TYPE of GAMER, the type that complaints alot, the type who want easy gear (easy wins), those who act like real twits online, instead of respecting themselves firstly and then others, if these retards had even the slightest bit of self respect they would just leave the game when it is obvious you have lost.
So in the end i blame blizzard for giving too many beta keys to wow playing crying baby noobs, because wow was the first game to force a battle.net account and secondly the whole WOW genre has turned out to be a bunch of whiney bitches, men that act and behave like women, this is what bitches are.
O well thats my rant on the subject
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On April 18 2010 13:12 Random69 wrote:
So many twits do this, this has led to me not saying anything ingame anymore.
Chatting away is something which should be reserved to the lobby, but idiots should not stop you from saying GG when you lost or in response to others behaving well. Others being idiots is always a bad excuse for becoming an idiot yourself.
Maybe Blizzard adds a "concede button" where you automatically add "GG" to chat and leave the match. That would be a start to show everyone how it should be done and only then people start at the same "politeness level". Many low level players are just in it for fun and dont know this etiquette; I didnt until I watched some streams and VODs when the beta came out.
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Wow, that sucks.
What I find worse, though, is when people say GG while on offense, or right before they attack you base. Granted, they usually win, but it is a very jerkish move IMO.
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On April 18 2010 13:56 Level10Peon wrote:
Wow, that sucks.
What I find worse, though, is when people say GG while on offense, or right before they attack you base. Granted, they usually win, but it is a very jerkish move IMO.
Really winds me up when people do that, quite arrogant. Do love it when they think they have won, do GG then destroy my base and say, when have you not lost? (Then see my other 2 bases massing troops )
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Most people i play on b.net today dosen't even say gg during my last 3 1on1 games i got no gg's just one . Omfg TvP is so broken right now after doing a 4 gate timeing push. But still most of the above average or semi/pro players always GG's except for idra who just quits
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I feel like a douche, I just won a game and GG knowing I had won before he had a chance, I was attacking his 2nd expansion when he flooded my main expansion with stalkers and immortals, instead of coming back to defend I hit his main expo and base and it was a race to kill all of his buildings before he did that to me, in the end I had a single drone and collected about 350 minerals before he killed my last building and made another expansion, this was just 3 seconds before he killed my last main and 1 second after he killed it I killed his last building! it was soooo close.
Still, it was very douche from me saying GG like that =/
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On April 18 2010 06:29 TheTuna wrote:
This is something that puzzles me about the US servers. People will say "GG" after I've won a decisive battle and inflicted heavy damage to them, and then keep playing! Call me crazy, but I always took GG to mean that you were conceding and about to leave the game. Calling GG and then still trying to win defeats the whole point of saying GG, in my opinion.
i really think part of this is because of the AI, it says gg and just waits for you to eliminate it. sets a bad example!
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If we're going to talk about gg "strategy" why not talk about gl hf?
That comment clearly spawned from a "fuck you I'm better than you are and I'm saying this to try to rattle you" technique, and it eventually became common.
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I gg only when it's a good game
if I get beaten by some donkey strat I don't even bother
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Yeah not much gets me more upset in any game than my opponent gg'ing me offensively. It's sooo bad manner, cocky and disrespectful.
Anyway, aren't you supposed to gg then leave?
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The amount of bad mannerd idiots looking for the next 'eSports' game are going to flood to SC2. Gotta be prep'd.
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say gg if it was a good game and call them faggots or complain about sentry imbalance if you lose
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On April 18 2010 13:12 Random69 wrote:
3/5 is about the ratio ye, 60% of players are acting retarded, this again only goes to prove that Blizzard did not give beta keys to real starcraft players, but mostly to complaining gays of world of warcraft, seriously world of warcraft created a whole new TYPE of GAMER, the type that complaints alot, the type who want easy gear (easy wins), those who act like real twits online, instead of respecting themselves firstly and then others, if these retards had even the slightest bit of self respect they would just leave the game when it is obvious you have lost.
So in the end i blame blizzard for giving too many beta keys to wow playing crying baby noobs, because wow was the first game to force a battle.net account and secondly the whole WOW genre has turned out to be a bunch of whiney bitches, men that act and behave like women, this is what bitches are.
It makes sense to give so many keys to wow players because most people who buy sc2 will not be bw players. Be serious, the whiney bitch was around long before wow, I know I've encountered them in every type of game, there was just never that many gamers playing the same game at the same time. Of course when you get a game that's had probably 11+ million players over the course of it's life, there are going to be a lot of whiney bitches
On April 19 2010 09:04 SwEEt[TearS] wrote:
I gg only when it's a good game
if I get beaten by some donkey strat I don't even bother
haha "donkey strat," I like that
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I have had my esc and f10 key both stop working for some reason in games. So I can't leave the game after saying gg lol. I'm pretty sure thats just my keyboard however and not a bug. So i dont know if thats happened to anyone else.
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To be completely honest, it hadn't occurred to me to wish my opponent 'gl hf' at the beginning of a match, and always type 'gg' at the end. Perhaps this is because I've been out of RTS games for quite a while and forgot how to behave. I'm not outright rude, and will often say 'well played' if I was outplayed, but not always.
I will make a concious effort to be more courteous to my opponents from here on, and treat them as I wish to be treated. I'm not a rude person by nature, it just hadn't occurred to me to wish my opponent luck and acknowledge defeat with a 'gg' at the end.
I agree entirely with the saying gg and playing on sentiment being incredibly bad mannered, as well as the saying gg for your opponent when you've clearly won. It's just not good sportsmanship, and I'd be pretty frustrated if it were done to me.
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On April 19 2010 09:03 popscythe wrote:
If we're going to talk about gg "strategy" why not talk about gl hf?
That comment clearly spawned from a "fuck you I'm better than you are and I'm saying this to try to rattle you" technique, and it eventually became common.
I always say Hello and gL at the start of a battle. I consider it being friendly.
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i've sat there for 20-25 seconds on a couple of occasions before saying "GL HF", the ironic thing is that people will respond with "u2" but i never see people say "gl hf" to me... it's weird...
american server btw =)
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One time i had a game where i had like one viking, no cc and he had a cc but no army. and so i was hunting down his CC with my viking. I'd rock up, he'd land, i'd land, he'd liftoff. Took like, 20 minutes to kill his cc. sooo frustrating rofl
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On April 19 2010 13:33 SarcasticOne wrote:
i've sat there for 20-25 seconds on a couple of occasions before saying "GL HF", the ironic thing is that people will respond with "u2" but i never see people say "gl hf" to me... it's weird...
american server btw =)
Yeah I always say 'you too' when I see it, but rarely say it first. I'll start now though!
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