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Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-17 10:03:54
April 05 2010 15:45 GMT
#1
UPDATE 7/17: US and EU 1v1 rankings for Silver+ are fully up to date. Updates will be occuring hourly starting tomorrow.
www.starcraftrankings.com
-------------

I think we can all agree that the current methods of viewing the ladder are lacking some important features. Rather than wait for Blizzard to improve it themselves, I've taken it upon myself to add some of the features I wanted most.

The initial beta is up at www.starcraftrankings.com

Currently I am only showing US Platinum Divisions 1-10. I will slowly be adding more divisions, leagues, and servers. I have it almost entirely automated so it is easy for me to update it several times per day (in the future it should be real-time).

Improvements:
- Viewable without the beta client
- Searchable by player names or partial names
- Can combine all divisions for league wide rankings.
- You can download all data in CSV format to run all sorts of fancy statistics! (Please credit the raw data to starcraftrankings.com)

Sorry I do not currently have win/loss data, but it is coming soon!


EDIT:
sc2ranks.heroku.com - Nagash has created his own view of the data with a few extra stats/features

http://www.tjisher.com/sc2/index.html - Ithree's awesome stats (with graphs!)

If you create any useful statistics or ways of viewing the data (which you can download from the site!) let me know and I'll post it here. Please credit the source of the data to starcraftrankings.com
Antimage
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada1293 Posts
April 05 2010 15:46 GMT
#2
Very nice, good tool !
Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
6985 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-05 15:48:26
April 05 2010 15:46 GMT
#3
Yay this is great!

Really appreciate the work you're putting in to this, I really hope Blizzard realizes how bad the current system is for not displaying true rankings for who are currently the best and so forth.
Earll
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Norway847 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-05 15:48:11
April 05 2010 15:46 GMT
#4
GJ.

Edit: 1 Question i have been wondering, is it easier to acomplish good ELO rating in some divisions than others? So the divisionwide ranking is not really fair, or is it equally easy to reach high ELO in all divisions?
Wat
ZenDeX
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Philippines2916 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-05 15:50:05
April 05 2010 15:48 GMT
#5
Bitches at Blizzard don't know about my overall ladder standing.

Any chance it could show the number of T/Z/P/R players in the population?
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-05 15:54:09
April 05 2010 15:50 GMT
#6
On April 06 2010 00:46 Earll wrote:
GJ.

Edit: 1 Question i have been wondering, is it easier to acomplish good ELO rating in some divisions than others? So the divisionwide ranking is not really fair, or is it equally easy to reach high ELO in all divisions?


This is a question I had. I made the assumption that ELO is equivalent across divisions. I could be wrong, and I will adjust the combined rankings accordingly if I learn otherwise.

On April 06 2010 00:48 lolaloc wrote:
Bitches at Blizzard don't know about my overall ladder standing.

Any chance it could show the number of T/Z/P/R players in the population?


Sure, though statistics like that are a bit lower priority than many other things. Keep in mind that you can download the data as CSV, import to excel (or write a program), and find many statistics for yourself.

Since I happen to have the database open and that's a pretty easy query, here's the answer:

There are 254 Zerg, 218 Protoss, 236 Terran, and 84 random players in the first ten divisions (excluding 5 and 8).
4Servy
Profile Joined August 2008
Netherlands1542 Posts
April 05 2010 15:51 GMT
#7
Cool stuff
Antimage
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada1293 Posts
April 05 2010 15:51 GMT
#8
When might you have all the divisions? I'm really curious as to where all the players stand right now.
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
April 05 2010 15:54 GMT
#9
On April 06 2010 00:51 Antimage wrote:
When might you have all the divisions? I'm really curious as to where all the players stand right now.


I can probably have up to division 30 by tonight if I can get the appropriate player names and IDs.
ZenDeX
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Philippines2916 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-05 15:57:42
April 05 2010 15:56 GMT
#10
EDIT: whoops! they are still outdated
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25980 Posts
April 05 2010 15:57 GMT
#11
Whoa, interesting. I assume you don't do this manually, right?
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Antimage
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada1293 Posts
April 05 2010 15:58 GMT
#12
On April 06 2010 00:54 Gibybo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2010 00:51 Antimage wrote:
When might you have all the divisions? I'm really curious as to where all the players stand right now.


I can probably have up to division 30 by tonight if I can get the appropriate player names and IDs.


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=117613

Here you go, might speed up the process =)
ZenDeX
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Philippines2916 Posts
April 05 2010 16:01 GMT
#13
On April 06 2010 00:57 Chill wrote:
Whoa, interesting. I assume you don't do this manually, right?

He said that it's entirely automated so there's nothing to worry about.
Floophead_III
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1832 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-05 16:03:53
April 05 2010 16:02 GMT
#14
Interesting to see, though rating is pretty meaningless by itself. Is it possible to have sorts by raw # of wins, win %, and # of losses? Those things would be fairly elementary to incorporate. I'd also love to see win % based on MU, but that's probably impossible or extremely difficult.

Edit: Ha, I should learn to read. You said win-loss info is coming soon. Regardless, include those sorts =D
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Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-05 16:05:21
April 05 2010 16:03 GMT
#15
On April 06 2010 00:57 Chill wrote:
Whoa, interesting. I assume you don't do this manually, right?


No heh, I spent some time reverse engineering the client so that I could get the data programmatically. It's not fully automated yet though, I still have to type in the division numbers (for now!).

On April 06 2010 01:02 Floophead_III wrote:
Interesting to see, though rating is pretty meaningless by itself. Is it possible to have sorts by raw # of wins, win %, and # of losses? Those things would be fairly elementary to incorporate. I'd also love to see win % based on MU, but that's probably impossible or extremely difficult.

Edit: Ha, I should learn to read. You said win-loss info is coming soon. Regardless, include those sorts =D


Yeah those are definitely easy to implement once I get win/loss data. Matchup info is much more difficult (nearly impossible with my current method), I think we'll just have to wait for Blizzard stats on that one
Nub4ever
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada1981 Posts
April 05 2010 16:06 GMT
#16
hmmm I can't seem to find davy on that list
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Leoj
Profile Joined January 2010
United States396 Posts
April 05 2010 16:11 GMT
#17
Wow, very awesome list!
ZenDeX
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Philippines2916 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-05 16:15:43
April 05 2010 16:15 GMT
#18
On April 06 2010 01:06 Nub4ever wrote:
hmmm I can't seem to find davy on that list

The BlizzBoyz (dayvie and cowgomoo) must have changed their names or took a break from ladder.
Pervect
Profile Joined June 2007
1280 Posts
April 05 2010 16:19 GMT
#19
Nicely done! Thanks man.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51446 Posts
April 05 2010 16:20 GMT
#20
australia represent at the top :D
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tubs
Profile Joined March 2010
764 Posts
April 05 2010 16:21 GMT
#21
Wow this is amazing! Thanks!
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Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
April 05 2010 16:55 GMT
#22
This is super awesome, thanks.

Looking forward to having win-loss stats, then we can all look at what the win-loss records for races looks like over time which will rule.
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MasterZilla
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Sweden234 Posts
April 05 2010 16:59 GMT
#23
Ohh, very nice!

I was actually thinking about doing something like this today, believe it or not
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starcraft911
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Korea (South)1263 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-05 17:05:23
April 05 2010 17:04 GMT
#24
I think a big problem is that once i got #1 of my division at 1640 i lost a lot of pressure to mass game. if i was in the same division as someone 1700+ i would keep going for #1. I realyl hope blizzard implaments a big ladder for the pro division. It's a huge motivator to be in a division that is highly active.; I was in a much more active division before the reset and missing the first couple days after reset i got stuck in a later one.
EntSC
Profile Joined November 2008
47 Posts
April 05 2010 17:04 GMT
#25
Is there any way of making ELO meaningful between the divisions, even if it's just an approximate? The OP's program seems to have at least potential access to win / losses ratios and numbers + rating. I wonder if there's a way to standardise the ratings based on that data...
btlyger
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States470 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-05 17:12:53
April 05 2010 17:11 GMT
#26
*tear* no love for division 16?

Also, I would like to point out that basing players off score alone is not an equal way to show rank because of the way the bonus pool works. Although, its a good start, great job.
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s.a.y
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Croatia3840 Posts
April 05 2010 17:31 GMT
#27
great stuff.

would love the same thing for multiple servers and divisions.
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Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
April 05 2010 17:36 GMT
#28
Division 2 is fucking insane.
Kinky
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States4126 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-05 17:37:33
April 05 2010 17:37 GMT
#29
Are you limited to divisions 1-10 because you need friends from the other divisions? If so, I'll gladly give you my account

Also, are you going to do this for the 2v2 divisions as well? Just curious
JiYan
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3668 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-05 17:45:06
April 05 2010 17:44 GMT
#30
would be amazing tool if more divisions were included.

JiYan.lee for division 11
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8748 Posts
April 05 2010 17:45 GMT
#31
kruppe.eel division 5 represent
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Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-05 17:52:38
April 05 2010 17:46 GMT
#32
On April 06 2010 02:04 EntSC wrote:
Is there any way of making ELO meaningful between the divisions, even if it's just an approximate? The OP's program seems to have at least potential access to win / losses ratios and numbers + rating. I wonder if there's a way to standardise the ratings based on that data...


The players in each division all get matched against each other, so there is definitely a way to make the ratings meaningful between divisions. When we have some more analysis done we can determine what way that is. There is a good chance though they are already equivalent.

On April 06 2010 02:11 btlyger wrote:
*tear* no love for division 16?

Also, I would like to point out that basing players off score alone is not an equal way to show rank because of the way the bonus pool works. Although, its a good start, great job.


As far as I'm aware, the bonus pool is a global value shared across all divisions from the time the ladder was last reset. That means a player in division 1 would have accumulated the same amount of bonus points as a player in division 25, even if the player in division 25 didn't start until weeks later.

On April 06 2010 02:37 Kinky wrote:
Are you limited to divisions 1-10 because you need friends from the other divisions? If so, I'll gladly give you my account

Also, are you going to do this for the 2v2 divisions as well? Just curious


Partly because I need account names, and partly because it's easier to work on other things like getting win/loss data when I have less divisions to worry about.

2v2 is certainly possible but I do not have immediate plans for it since I think better 1v1 info is in much higher demand.

kruppe.eel division 5 represent

Haha all two people, nice. Added.


would be amazing tool if more divisions were included.

JiYan.lee for division 11


Div 11 added, they will all be added soon.
AskJoshy
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1625 Posts
April 05 2010 17:53 GMT
#33
So this is why Gibybo has been logged in the past 8 days straight and is never there! =)
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Antimage
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada1293 Posts
April 05 2010 17:57 GMT
#34
Antimage.vwind for division 14 !! ^^
violett
Profile Joined July 2007
Germany143 Posts
April 05 2010 18:00 GMT
#35
thx for this, waiting for an EU server ranking.
Squeegy
Profile Joined October 2009
Finland1166 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-05 18:06:05
April 05 2010 18:05 GMT
#36
This is great! And this is why Teamliquid is the best community out there - because we have people like Gibybo.

I wish upon a star, though, that we could see win-loss statistics too.
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Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
April 05 2010 18:08 GMT
#37
I wish upon a star, though, that we could see win-loss statistics too.


Currently my #1 priority
nimbim
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany984 Posts
April 05 2010 18:12 GMT
#38
i hope this actually shows blizzard that the community wants real rankings and not just n divisions

great job
AmstAff
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Germany949 Posts
April 05 2010 18:14 GMT
#39
is it able to make this for EU server if someone has all leagues in his friendlist?
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Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-05 18:26:10
April 05 2010 18:25 GMT
#40
On April 06 2010 03:14 MeProU_Kor wrote:
is it able to make this for EU server if someone has all leagues in his friendlist?


Yes, soon. I just need to get some extra things added, fix some bugs, and tweak performance a little then I should be able to open it up globally.

On April 06 2010 03:12 Arikuna wrote:
i hope this actually shows blizzard that the community wants real rankings and not just n divisions

great job


That is pretty much my #1 goal for this.
Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-05 18:35:53
April 05 2010 18:30 GMT
#41
Wow this is pretty cool. Like others mentioned a win/loss stat would be nice, and a win ratio % column too.

For division 8 add arcology.arcology. Here's a thread with pretty much all the divisions:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=117613

I have divisions 1-31, if you need any let me know.
9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
Attica
Profile Joined February 2010
United States277 Posts
April 05 2010 18:58 GMT
#42
Damn dude. You're the man. I've been waiting forever for something like this.
Squeegy
Profile Joined October 2009
Finland1166 Posts
April 05 2010 19:00 GMT
#43
On April 06 2010 03:08 Gibybo wrote:
Show nested quote +
I wish upon a star, though, that we could see win-loss statistics too.


Currently my #1 priority


Look at that, my wish is coming true! <3
Stan: Dude, dolphins are intelligent and friendly. Cartman: Intelligent and friendly on rye bread with some mayonnaise.
Bosu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3247 Posts
April 05 2010 19:01 GMT
#44
Thanks a lot for this. Super cool.
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ithree
Profile Joined January 2010
443 Posts
April 05 2010 19:04 GMT
#45
Wow nice stuff, I'm perhaps more interested in where your getting the data from, I mean are you pulling it as if you were the beta or from some web service I'm missing ?

Fair enough if you don't want to share the 'how' (having bought a domain an all) and of course it could all change when the game goes live, just wanted to have a crack at the data and graph up some of the details.

For instance percentage of race would look quite nice when you can compare pre and post (future) patches, that kind of thing.


Either way thanks for the showing bliz the way !
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
April 05 2010 19:14 GMT
#46
On April 06 2010 04:04 ithree wrote:
Wow nice stuff, I'm perhaps more interested in where your getting the data from, I mean are you pulling it as if you were the beta or from some web service I'm missing ?

Fair enough if you don't want to share the 'how' (having bought a domain an all) and of course it could all change when the game goes live, just wanted to have a crack at the data and graph up some of the details.

For instance percentage of race would look quite nice when you can compare pre and post (future) patches, that kind of thing.


Either way thanks for the showing bliz the way !


I intend to be pretty open about it as I think this will work best as a community effort and really I just want to put pressure on Blizzard to do it right. You can already download all of my data in CSV form using the link at the bottom of the page.

I have tried getting the data a few ways with varying success.

In order of preference:
1. Emulating the client and connecting to the Battle.net server.
- This has proven quite tricky, since the protocol is very new and undiscovered, it's encrypted, and Blizzard decided they would rather put a ton of tedious roadblocks in the way of reversing it rather than providing actual server side security (/endrant).
2. Read the process memory and find where it stores the relevant data (this is what I am currently doing).
3. Take screenshots of the ladder pages and run some basic OCR routines.
- I did this for awhile but decided it was going to be too hard to get the performance and accuracy I wanted.
PhiliBiRD
Profile Joined November 2009
United States2643 Posts
April 05 2010 19:42 GMT
#47
nice, but i think the reason blizz didnt do it is because they figured we didnt need to, and that ladder doesnt really mean anything right now.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15686 Posts
April 05 2010 19:47 GMT
#48
This is some really great work, Gibybo. I love it. Thanks for all your hard work =)
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
April 05 2010 20:05 GMT
#49
Alright I've just located the win/loss bits (after several hours of searching in the completely wrong area :/) but I've been up for 24 hours so I think I need a nap but I really want to get win/loss stats up tonight/early tomorrow.
Synwave
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2803 Posts
April 05 2010 20:11 GMT
#50
nice work
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Ruthless
Profile Joined August 2008
United States492 Posts
April 05 2010 20:12 GMT
#51
iamkhufu.iamkhufu for div 8
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
April 05 2010 20:12 GMT
#52
Nice job! The link should be stickied to the TL beta page, if it isnt already!
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Razamataz
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada135 Posts
April 05 2010 20:12 GMT
#53
Thanks for your hard work. This is extremely cool. I've wanted to see how I stack up against the other platinum divisions for quite some time now!
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10673 Posts
April 05 2010 20:14 GMT
#54
wow awesome !
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Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
April 05 2010 20:22 GMT
#55
On April 06 2010 05:05 Gibybo wrote:
Alright I've just located the win/loss bits (after several hours of searching in the completely wrong area :/) but I've been up for 24 hours so I think I need a nap but I really want to get win/loss stats up tonight/early tomorrow.


Sweet.
9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
QuothTheRaven
Profile Joined December 2008
United States5524 Posts
April 05 2010 20:45 GMT
#56
This is a really great tool. Somehow seeing that I'm #41 on the US server (at the moment) is much more motivating than seeing that I'm #6 in my division, and now I really want to get on and try to climb into the top 25
. . . nevermore
deadlydragoon
Profile Joined February 2010
United States63 Posts
April 05 2010 20:51 GMT
#57
Excellent! Thanks alot man
ithree
Profile Joined January 2010
443 Posts
April 05 2010 20:55 GMT
#58
On April 06 2010 04:14 Gibybo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2010 04:04 ithree wrote:
Wow nice stuff, I'm perhaps more interested in where your getting the data from, I mean are you pulling it as if you were the beta or from some web service I'm missing ?

Fair enough if you don't want to share the 'how' (having bought a domain an all) and of course it could all change when the game goes live, just wanted to have a crack at the data and graph up some of the details.

For instance percentage of race would look quite nice when you can compare pre and post (future) patches, that kind of thing.


Either way thanks for the showing bliz the way !


I intend to be pretty open about it as I think this will work best as a community effort and really I just want to put pressure on Blizzard to do it right. You can already download all of my data in CSV form using the link at the bottom of the page.

I have tried getting the data a few ways with varying success.

In order of preference:
1. Emulating the client and connecting to the Battle.net server.
- This has proven quite tricky, since the protocol is very new and undiscovered, it's encrypted, and Blizzard decided they would rather put a ton of tedious roadblocks in the way of reversing it rather than providing actual server side security (/endrant).
2. Read the process memory and find where it stores the relevant data (this is what I am currently doing).
3. Take screenshots of the ladder pages and run some basic OCR routines.
- I did this for awhile but decided it was going to be too hard to get the performance and accuracy I wanted.


Jeez okay, well as the Americans say 'mad propz'

Must admit I would have drawn the line before you on this, so I'm going to have a look on the display side, what kind of slice will put this data to best use. If I get something up worthy of your time I'll pass it over.

As a non-official solution seems you've ended up in a good place, doesn't bother the official servers and non of the manual work or plain unreliably of OCR (I swear that whole tech hates me).

Exteray
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1094 Posts
April 05 2010 20:58 GMT
#59
Why does division 5 only have 2 players :O
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
April 05 2010 21:00 GMT
#60
Whoa awesome. I can find myself =D

Nony must be lonely in division 5.
Pervect
Profile Joined June 2007
1280 Posts
April 05 2010 21:04 GMT
#61
Division 5 is bugged, I assume. It's the same on the European server for Platinum Division 5, apparently.
Sejong
Profile Joined March 2010
Korea (South)153 Posts
April 05 2010 21:08 GMT
#62
Wow, this is great, could we get a pulldown to list more than 20 people at a time? maybe 100 or more?
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
April 05 2010 21:23 GMT
#63
Thanks for the player names in div 8, it's up now.

On April 06 2010 06:08 Sejong wrote:
Wow, this is great, could we get a pulldown to list more than 20 people at a time? maybe 100 or more?


Sure, eventually :x

If you want to hack around it a little bit for now you can append &playersPerPage=xxx to a specific view and it will increase the table size. It'l revert to 25 whenever you click a link/button though.

ex. http://starcraftrankings.com/index.php?division=all&playersPerPage=100
Pape
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Serbia419 Posts
April 05 2010 21:24 GMT
#64
I like the idea, here is the screenshots from USA division 8 top 50 for you my friend.

+ Show Spoiler +
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good luck have fun!
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
April 05 2010 21:26 GMT
#65
Is there a reason that one person shows up twice? Number 28 and 29 seem to be the same person.
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Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
April 05 2010 21:27 GMT
#66
On April 06 2010 06:26 Two_DoWn wrote:
Is there a reason that one person shows up twice? Number 28 and 29 seem to be the same person.


Yeah minor bug, will be fixed soonish.
mark05
Profile Joined March 2009
Canada807 Posts
April 05 2010 21:31 GMT
#67
add division 25!

im mark.mark if u need some 1 in this division
yes, I'm MarkOhFive
btlyger
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States470 Posts
April 05 2010 21:34 GMT
#68
I feel like this overall ladder can happen in one of two ways.

1. Blizzard ends up putting a global ladder up that players can view in-game / online that is similar to the current ladders on bnet.

2. Fan-based ladders and rankings are forced to be made by people similar to the way WoW works with arena. Arena # is all based on your battle group, but sites like areanajunkies really made a place where people can compare themselves across servers and battle groups.

I honestly think #2 is going to be the way blizzard forces us to go, which sucks, but it makes this beta global ladder all the more important. Whoever can expand this and make a solid global ladder for sc2 will get tons of money for their website from ads if blizzard goes this route 8]
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stockton
Profile Joined March 2010
United States128 Posts
April 05 2010 21:40 GMT
#69
im only 143rd.

better get to work.
Pape
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Serbia419 Posts
April 05 2010 21:46 GMT
#70
On April 06 2010 06:24 Pape wrote:
I like the idea, here is the screenshots from USA division 8 top 50 for you my friend.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

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lol!! wow I just won a game after taking these screenshots (Im VoZuCa ranked 41st in those ss) and afterwards it dropped me to 43rd and it dropped my points to 1167, while after the game it said I had gained 20 points?? WTF ?? so i should be at 1194 with a 31-20 record. Possibly bug?
good luck have fun!
Sejong
Profile Joined March 2010
Korea (South)153 Posts
April 05 2010 22:13 GMT
#71
On April 06 2010 06:23 Gibybo wrote:
Thanks for the player names in div 8, it's up now.

Show nested quote +
On April 06 2010 06:08 Sejong wrote:
Wow, this is great, could we get a pulldown to list more than 20 people at a time? maybe 100 or more?


Sure, eventually :x

If you want to hack around it a little bit for now you can append &playersPerPage=xxx to a specific view and it will increase the table size. It'l revert to 25 whenever you click a link/button though.

ex. http://starcraftrankings.com/index.php?division=all&playersPerPage=100


Perfect! Thanks!
Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
April 05 2010 22:13 GMT
#72
On April 06 2010 06:46 Pape wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2010 06:24 Pape wrote:
I like the idea, here is the screenshots from USA division 8 top 50 for you my friend.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

[image loading]

[image loading]


lol!! wow I just won a game after taking these screenshots (Im VoZuCa ranked 41st in those ss) and afterwards it dropped me to 43rd and it dropped my points to 1167, while after the game it said I had gained 20 points?? WTF ?? so i should be at 1194 with a 31-20 record. Possibly bug?


Yes a lot of people are having wins/points not counting for a percentage of their games. I think it's database lag, their servers aren't able to handle all the data.
9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
JiYan
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3668 Posts
April 06 2010 00:33 GMT
#73
you should put an ad or two on it so you dont have to worry about domain fees or any of that ^^. im sure this site will get lots of traffic
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
April 06 2010 00:54 GMT
#74
Hah well right now it hardly costs me anything so it's no big deal. If I have to start adding servers to keep up with traffic then maybe
Rice
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1332 Posts
April 06 2010 01:07 GMT
#75
thanks for this, you are awesome!
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TwilightStar
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States649 Posts
April 06 2010 01:10 GMT
#76
Nice, I appreciate this!
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Chen
Profile Joined June 2009
United States6344 Posts
April 06 2010 01:17 GMT
#77
The compilation of all divisions has 5 protoss and 6 terran in the top 25(vs 11 zerg) and 12 toss/13 terran in the top 50 vs 21 zerg.
this game is completely balanced and ready for launch i see
so 44% of the top 25 and 42% of the top 50 is zerg, yet zerg players still claim that T is the most OP race?
Zapdos_Smithh
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada2620 Posts
April 06 2010 01:19 GMT
#78
Am I the only one wondering what happened to inreach/oversky? He was so hardcore to start and now I don't even see him on the list :S
Antimage
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada1293 Posts
April 06 2010 01:22 GMT
#79
On April 06 2010 10:17 Chen wrote:
The compilation of all divisions has 5 protoss and 6 terran in the top 25(vs 11 zerg) and 12 toss/13 terran in the top 50 vs 21 zerg.
this game is completely balanced and ready for launch i see
so 44% of the top 25 and 42% of the top 50 is zerg, yet zerg players still claim that T is the most OP race?


it's not including all divisions yet...
Bosu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3247 Posts
April 06 2010 01:43 GMT
#80
On April 06 2010 10:17 Chen wrote:
The compilation of all divisions has 5 protoss and 6 terran in the top 25(vs 11 zerg) and 12 toss/13 terran in the top 50 vs 21 zerg.
this game is completely balanced and ready for launch i see
so 44% of the top 25 and 42% of the top 50 is zerg, yet zerg players still claim that T is the most OP race?


Maybe more people play zerg because it is the most fun? I have been learning to play them all and just find zerg to be the most fun.
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stockton
Profile Joined March 2010
United States128 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-06 01:45:46
April 06 2010 01:45 GMT
#81
On April 06 2010 10:22 Antimage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2010 10:17 Chen wrote:
The compilation of all divisions has 5 protoss and 6 terran in the top 25(vs 11 zerg) and 12 toss/13 terran in the top 50 vs 21 zerg.
this game is completely balanced and ready for launch i see
so 44% of the top 25 and 42% of the top 50 is zerg, yet zerg players still claim that T is the most OP race?


it's not including all divisions yet...


also these statistics neither prove nor disprove balance. there are too many other variables involved.

what if the game is perfectly balanced (obviously not doable, but for the sake of argument go with me) and all the top players play terran (for no reason, just cause everyone likes the way plays, its not over powered it's just preference)? now what would the statistics look like for the top 50 then?

100% Terran
0% Protoss
0% Zerg


TERRAN SO OVERPOWERED GAME IS IMBAAAA.

not true as one of the conditions of this problem is that the game is perfectly balanced.

see the issue here? 50 is too small of a sample to make any real statements about balance. In any group of 50 there is likely to be some preference that prevails, and for no other reason than just variance.

of course this example is way over the top, but you should get the point.
HuK
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada1591 Posts
April 06 2010 01:53 GMT
#82
add more divisions plz, 2-3 ppl have posted a link to pratically all the friends u need to add to get all the divisions up to like 25
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Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
April 06 2010 01:55 GMT
#83
On April 06 2010 10:53 HuK wrote:
add more divisions plz, 2-3 ppl have posted a link to pratically all the friends u need to add to get all the divisions up to like 25


Working on it I am trying to get win/loss records and a few bugs worked out first.
RoosterSamurai
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan2108 Posts
April 06 2010 02:07 GMT
#84
Will you ever expand to gold, silver, and copper leagues?
Tamerlane
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada424 Posts
April 06 2010 02:17 GMT
#85
Well done sir!

A feature I would really like to see is an option display the number of players per page we want : 10/20/50/all or something like that.

Keep up the good work!
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
April 06 2010 02:17 GMT
#86
On April 06 2010 11:07 RoosterSamurai wrote:
Will you ever expand to gold, silver, and copper leagues?


That is my plan, yes.
0mgVitaminE
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1278 Posts
April 06 2010 02:22 GMT
#87
On April 06 2010 10:53 HuK wrote:
add more divisions plz, 2-3 ppl have posted a link to pratically all the friends u need to add to get all the divisions up to like 25

lol.
keep up the good work man, a ton of people are going to really appreciate it when you're done
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Exteray
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1094 Posts
April 06 2010 03:48 GMT
#88
On April 06 2010 10:45 stockton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2010 10:22 Antimage wrote:
On April 06 2010 10:17 Chen wrote:
The compilation of all divisions has 5 protoss and 6 terran in the top 25(vs 11 zerg) and 12 toss/13 terran in the top 50 vs 21 zerg.
this game is completely balanced and ready for launch i see
so 44% of the top 25 and 42% of the top 50 is zerg, yet zerg players still claim that T is the most OP race?


it's not including all divisions yet...


also these statistics neither prove nor disprove balance. there are too many other variables involved.

what if the game is perfectly balanced (obviously not doable, but for the sake of argument go with me) and all the top players play terran (for no reason, just cause everyone likes the way plays, its not over powered it's just preference)? now what would the statistics look like for the top 50 then?

100% Terran
0% Protoss
0% Zerg


TERRAN SO OVERPOWERED GAME IS IMBAAAA.

not true as one of the conditions of this problem is that the game is perfectly balanced.

see the issue here? 50 is too small of a sample to make any real statements about balance. In any group of 50 there is likely to be some preference that prevails, and for no other reason than just variance.

of course this example is way over the top, but you should get the point.



I agree. Also there's a reason the game is in beta...
...
Zaqwert
Profile Joined June 2008
United States411 Posts
April 06 2010 04:10 GMT
#89
Does this only have divisions 1-11 at the moment? I think there are about 30 platinum divisions currently.

Do you have a way of auto-capturing the data or are you having to do it by hand?
DarkChrono
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16 Posts
April 06 2010 04:39 GMT
#90
Nice job, seems hard. How long did this take you?


Also there's a lot of duplicate entries.

761 Random Nyarlathotep.thewrathful 1028 6
762 Random Nyarlathotep.thewrathful 1028 21
763 Random Nyarlathotep.thewrathful 1028 21
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-06 04:46:17
April 06 2010 04:44 GMT
#91
On April 06 2010 13:10 Zaqwert wrote:
Does this only have divisions 1-11 at the moment? I think there are about 30 platinum divisions currently.

Do you have a way of auto-capturing the data or are you having to do it by hand?


Yes it only has 1-11, it will have quite a bit more as soon as I get win/losses working so I can update again.

I am extracting the data from the SC2.exe process memory..

On April 06 2010 13:39 DarkChrono wrote:
Nice job, seems hard. How long did this take you?

Off and on for a week. The hard part was just figuring out how to do it - after that it's not too bad at all.

Also there's a lot of duplicate entries.

761 Random Nyarlathotep.thewrathful 1028 6
762 Random Nyarlathotep.thewrathful 1028 21
763 Random Nyarlathotep.thewrathful 1028 21

Yeah these will hopefully be fixed with the next update including wins/losses.
nagash
Profile Joined May 2007
Australia58 Posts
April 06 2010 05:22 GMT
#92
Awesome work, I was bored so I pretty much just copied your web interface and added a few more searching/reporting options.

http://sc2ranks.heroku.com/

Updated hourly from your CSV.
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
April 06 2010 05:56 GMT
#93
Hurray just pushed the update with wins/losses/ratio and a lot of divisions from 1 to 25. I am still missing some and working on adding them as I find accounts for them.

On April 06 2010 14:22 nagash wrote:
Awesome work, I was bored so I pretty much just copied your web interface and added a few more searching/reporting options.

http://sc2ranks.heroku.com/

Updated hourly from your CSV.


Sweet, I always love to see additional ways of slicing the data
VeeSe
Profile Joined February 2006
United States42 Posts
April 06 2010 06:34 GMT
#94
Nice job Gibybo. WCR represent! Anyways, add veese.veese for division 31 if needed.
yoshi_yoshi
Profile Joined January 2010
United States440 Posts
April 06 2010 06:49 GMT
#95
Thanks... yoshiii.crusher for #29 if needed
DrivE
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States2554 Posts
April 06 2010 06:50 GMT
#96
wow, thanks!
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HDstarcraft
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States577 Posts
April 06 2010 06:51 GMT
#97
Great work!
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LawnMower
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden557 Posts
April 06 2010 06:54 GMT
#98
Very nice.

Will you expand to the Euro server too?
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Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
April 06 2010 06:58 GMT
#99
On April 06 2010 15:54 LawnMower wrote:
Very nice.

Will you expand to the Euro server too?


That is the plan but I will either need to get access to a European account or get my uploading client to a point that other people can run it for me.
Ftrunkz
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Australia2474 Posts
April 06 2010 07:04 GMT
#100
awesome initiative with doing this man . Cool to see the overall rankings. Feels pretty gosu to be in top 50 overall on US ladder tbh XD
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knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
April 06 2010 07:07 GMT
#101
Wow totally awesome. This is a great thing to have access to and really puts points into perspective.
Polar_Nada
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States1548 Posts
April 06 2010 07:14 GMT
#102
vaky.uci in division 33 =)
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nagash
Profile Joined May 2007
Australia58 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-06 07:19:59
April 06 2010 07:19 GMT
#103
On April 06 2010 14:22 nagash wrote:
Awesome work, I was bored so I pretty much just copied your web interface and added a few more searching/reporting options.

http://sc2ranks.heroku.com/

Updated hourly from your CSV.


http://sc2ranks.heroku.com/

Updated with win/loss ratio's. Also per division and some other niceties.
Razamataz
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada135 Posts
April 06 2010 13:13 GMT
#104
Razamataz.zatamazar for platinum div 30 if you need it.

Thanks again this is super cool
Yammiez
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada186 Posts
April 06 2010 13:19 GMT
#105
oh wow. Nice site; makes me want to play till I'm promoted from gold to plat just to get on there.
Smash fear, learn anything; except for spiders
ThisIsJimmy
Profile Joined July 2004
United States546 Posts
April 06 2010 16:45 GMT
#106
ThisIsJimmy.silassassin div 22
Twitter @_ThisIsJimmy_
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
April 06 2010 16:54 GMT
#107
Top 10 (Of the Top 50) sorted by win %:

1. IdrA.media 78.23%
2. iNcontroL.evilgeniuses 77.27%
3. mOOnGLaDe.moonglade 73.48%
4. HuK.confed 73.33%
5. SLush.xds 72.73%
6. Devaztayta.devaztayta 72.65%
7. qxc.qxc 70.42%
8. Filthy.jug 70%
9. assem.assem 69.01%
10. Sheth.light 68.97%
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
April 06 2010 19:59 GMT
#108
Just updated divs 1-11 (others are still up but have a little bit older data).

I am missing quite a few divisions between 11 and 25. If you have any that I don't, please add them here and we'll all have one complete list:

http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0Ac7yROTo2o8SZDh2ZnQyaF82NjNmNXF0Z3RkZA&hl=en
Antimage
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada1293 Posts
April 06 2010 20:06 GMT
#109
nooooooooo stupid full time work =.= gotta go home and mass games!
Pape
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Serbia419 Posts
April 06 2010 21:10 GMT
#110
Looks like your work will get even more hectic. I played a game last night with a platinum division 36 player, it was a brand new division with only like 20 players all around 1000!

Great job on updating the other ones and quick as you do though!
good luck have fun!
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
April 06 2010 23:43 GMT
#111
On April 07 2010 06:10 Pape wrote:
Looks like your work will get even more hectic. I played a game last night with a platinum division 36 player, it was a brand new division with only like 20 players all around 1000!

Great job on updating the other ones and quick as you do though!


Hah well, the more I reverse engineer from the client, the more automated and real-time it should become. Eventually I should be able to update all divisions from all leagues and all servers every few minutes automatically - it's just going to be a slow progression to that.
nagash
Profile Joined May 2007
Australia58 Posts
April 06 2010 23:52 GMT
#112
You can add me for div30 btw Gibybo, Ellipse.curve
ShoeFactory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States186 Posts
April 07 2010 02:29 GMT
#113
shoey.cream

in division 34 if you're going ahead to adding divisions past 25.
btlyger
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States470 Posts
April 07 2010 04:31 GMT
#114
Well I don't know how high up division wise you plan to go with this but heres my division and name so you can add my division (36).

Platinum division 36
btlyger.exe
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prOxi.swAMi
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Australia3091 Posts
April 07 2010 04:41 GMT
#115
How on earth are you doing this...
Oh no
ForTheSwarm
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States556 Posts
April 07 2010 04:45 GMT
#116
WOW. This is awesome. Good work man!
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Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-07 05:20:44
April 07 2010 05:15 GMT
#117
On April 07 2010 13:41 prOxi.swAMi wrote:
How on earth are you doing this...


I am extracting the values from the SC2.exe process memory with a little reverse engineering.

Unfortunately it's not quite as fast as I'd like it to be and only 98% or so accurate. Working on breaking the (useless) bnet encryption so I can read them more directly from the server atm...
Dox
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia1199 Posts
April 07 2010 05:27 GMT
#118
Nice work, that's brilliant! The Battle.net interface makes it impossible to view this kind of information in real-time.
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nagash
Profile Joined May 2007
Australia58 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-07 07:22:28
April 07 2010 07:21 GMT
#119
I have updated http://sc2ranks.heroku.com with ladder movement (icons indicating if the player has moved up/down/stayed the same). The movements are calculated daily, and since it was just added they will currently all show up as "new" ( ! ). It should start working in a day or so once updates are done.

Global ranking movements and division ranking movements are also tracked separately. So basically on the global page it could show someone as moving down (globally) but if you view their division it could show them moving up or vice versa.

Next on the cards is pagination and sorting by any column.
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
April 07 2010 08:27 GMT
#120
Good stuff nagash

I want to display rank next to the players name when I search for it like you do, but to do that I need to store the rank in my db (which I'm currently not doing). Is there a way I can add rank with one or two SQL queries or do I just have to do one for each player?

Also, currently doing a massive div 1-31 update.
nagash
Profile Joined May 2007
Australia58 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-07 08:52:08
April 07 2010 08:40 GMT
#121
On April 07 2010 17:27 Gibybo wrote:
Good stuff nagash

I want to display rank next to the players name when I search for it like you do, but to do that I need to store the rank in my db (which I'm currently not doing). Is there a way I can add rank with one or two SQL queries or do I just have to do one for each player?

Also, currently doing a massive div 1-31 update.


Well, I've got the updates in for pagination and sorting. Also added a search option for "minimum rating" as it makes sense when sorting by ratio so you dont get a bunch of 5-0 players with 100% ratio at the top.

I personally just added the rank once for each player, since my database is only updated once an hour/day/whatever I don't see it as a big deal.

I'm sure it is possible to grab a rank using some sort of SQL function in one query, but I couldn't tell you how

Throw me a PM with MSN details or similar and we can help each other out / look at merging.

Edit: Actually I just realized it's easy, I was thinking way too much into it lol.
$sql = "SELECT count(*) FROM players WHERE rating > $player_rating"; in SQL terms. Doesn't take into account if someone has the same rating as them, but no big deal I guess.
Skyze
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada2324 Posts
April 07 2010 08:50 GMT
#122
My stupid suggestion.. make the page abit prettier.. maybe black background, nice banner at top.. etc etc =]
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nagash
Profile Joined May 2007
Australia58 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-07 08:53:31
April 07 2010 08:52 GMT
#123
On April 07 2010 17:50 Skyze wrote:
My stupid suggestion.. make the page abit prettier.. maybe black background, nice banner at top.. etc etc =]


Aha yer, I'm no designer, but that's probably the next thing I'll work on since I can't think of any more features to add.

If someone wants to design a header/logo feel free...
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-07 09:12:44
April 07 2010 09:06 GMT
#124
Alright I just updated all divisions 1-36, which is the first time I've had every platinum player on the US server!

*Except division 35, I need a name from that still

On April 07 2010 17:40 nagash wrote:
Throw me a PM with MSN details or similar and we can help each other out / look at merging.

PMed! Also, I can give you direct access to my DB so you aren't an hour behind if you want.


Edit: Actually I just realized it's easy, I was thinking way too much into it lol.
$sql = "SELECT count(*) FROM players WHERE rating > $player_rating"; in SQL terms. Doesn't take into account if someone has the same rating as them, but no big deal I guess.


Eh that seems expensive since I'd have to run it once for every search (or still once for every player if I cache it). It's probably plenty efficient, but I am pretty sure there is a way to do it in one query (though that query might not actually be much more efficient) for all players at once.
Tamerlane
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada424 Posts
April 07 2010 09:10 GMT
#125
awesome, all divisions are there :D
ithree
Profile Joined January 2010
443 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-07 21:06:39
April 07 2010 14:28 GMT
#126
Guess im late get back to the party, if you think the direction is useful I'l set about automating it, had more fun thinking about how to use the data. Only put a few up mind.

Mmman its been a while since i've done web dev outside corporate, didn't even have a db set up on my site let alone the apps.

http://www.tjisher.com/sc2/


edit: finished for today, concentrated on overall charting rather than the tables that already covered here, be more useful in a week or two

ps my working file if its any use to anyone
TerrorBASS
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada16 Posts
April 07 2010 21:08 GMT
#127
i'll be backk
CowGoMoo
Profile Joined December 2006
United States428 Posts
April 07 2010 22:26 GMT
#128
On April 06 2010 01:15 lolaloc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2010 01:06 Nub4ever wrote:
hmmm I can't seem to find davy on that list

The BlizzBoyz (dayvie and cowgomoo) must have changed their names or took a break from ladder.

pshh I retired while I was ahead =P I went all-in, doubled up, then immediately left the table.
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-08 08:07:08
April 08 2010 08:06 GMT
#129
Just updated 1-37 (I'm getting better, only took me 15 minutes to update them all this time!).

IdrA and HuK continue their close race meanwhile ericpanda shot up from 5th to take 1st from both of them!
FieryBalrog
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1381 Posts
April 08 2010 09:27 GMT
#130
14 Zerg, 15 Protoss, 15 Terran, 6 random.

I have to say I'm impressed. Of course there are definite issues to work out, but hot damn, that's nice.
I will eat you alive
ithree
Profile Joined January 2010
443 Posts
April 08 2010 10:59 GMT
#131
Just reviewing the work from yesterday I think I've got as far as I can go without historic data, so theres going to be a lul before the site changes again. Not to mention having to set up the whole php+MySQL stack (some calls gonna be expensive) blah blah.


But I think we've got to an interesting point. For instance I think we can make judgements like excluding players with less than 20 wins from top player listings, as it just seems to be a hangover from a good placement round.

[evidence here, gonna watch day9 first ]

JiYan
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3668 Posts
April 08 2010 17:39 GMT
#132
tjisher site is bugged when you search my name, JiYan, or JiYan.lee
ithree
Profile Joined January 2010
443 Posts
April 08 2010 18:54 GMT
#133
sorry my bad, it just links over to starcraftrankings.com/ anyway, didn't see the need to repeat whats already done.

Ill fix it or just take the link down in a bit.

heres what your after JiYan: http://starcraftrankings.com/?search=JiYan
or even: http://sc2ranks.heroku.com/rankings?division=&race=&min_rating=&player=JiYan&commit=Search (scroll to bottom)
3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
April 08 2010 18:58 GMT
#134
can't believe I missed this, Great JOB! I hope u get payed for this lol.
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
theqat
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States2856 Posts
April 08 2010 19:26 GMT
#135
Amazing, thanks. Love honstats.heroku.com too
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
April 09 2010 12:15 GMT
#136
Updated divisions 1-39 (missing 38). HuK keeps getting knocked away from first, this time by Durrrr!

I have also added a new feature. In cooperation with TopReplays.com and soon to be many other replay sites, you can now view a player's replays by clicking the link next to their name. Top 100 players only.
Whitecrow
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6 Posts
April 09 2010 15:47 GMT
#137
This is awesome, do you think you can expand it to the gold league too? I think eventually this should be done for plat/gold/silver and just leave bronze out..
About time
lew
Profile Joined April 2009
Belgium205 Posts
April 09 2010 15:52 GMT
#138
wow this is awesome, nice job. Especially the replays feature :o... Do you get those replays from sites or are there directly uploaded from the bnet server (stupid question, I know)?
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-09 16:24:28
April 09 2010 16:22 GMT
#139
On April 10 2010 00:52 lew wrote:
wow this is awesome, nice job. Especially the replays feature :o... Do you get those replays from sites or are there directly uploaded from the bnet server (stupid question, I know)?


The replays are coming from replay sites. I will be adding more sites to pull them from in the near future, just piloting it with TopReplays.com since they worked with me on the integration.

I'm taking suggestions on the best replay sites to add next

On April 10 2010 00:47 Whitecrow wrote:
This is awesome, do you think you can expand it to the gold league too? I think eventually this should be done for plat/gold/silver and just leave bronze out..


Haha, I plan on doing it for all 5 leagues. I just uploaded a FAQ with more details.
whiterabbit
Profile Joined June 2009
2675 Posts
April 09 2010 17:06 GMT
#140
Wow, I expected user-made region ladder will come, but not this fast.
GJ Gibybo!
NUTELLA y u no make me skinny?!?
arcology
Profile Joined April 2009
United States92 Posts
April 10 2010 16:30 GMT
#141
This should get a sticky
CauthonLuck
Profile Joined July 2009
United States93 Posts
April 10 2010 16:43 GMT
#142
Great work, I hope blizzard takes notice of how popular this is and at least ad an option to view ladder rankings overall by server if they insist on keeping the split divisions. Truth be told, nobody will care in the slightest about their division standing at high levels of play, and programs/sites like this one will be the "real" ladder standings if the system remains unchanged.
Xss
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada53 Posts
April 10 2010 17:04 GMT
#143
Added div. 38
Hold-Lurker
Profile Joined October 2007
United States403 Posts
April 10 2010 17:43 GMT
#144
This is amazing. Thank you so much for putting in the effort to keep this updated and adding new features!
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-11 05:55:51
April 11 2010 05:52 GMT
#145
I just pushed v2.0, looking for feedback/suggestions/bug reports (You may have to refresh it once to get it to reload the stylesheet).

Also updated the rankings - there really seems to be a lot of activity in the top 5. IdrA down to 13th and the top 3 are brand new (to the top 3).
billyX333
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1360 Posts
April 11 2010 05:59 GMT
#146
great update, enjoying the new look

I'm too lazy to log into sc2 beta right now to check but is this a bug?
30 2 Protoss Win.win 0 1746 12 148 7.5%
How does somebody go 12-148 and get to a rating of 1746?
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-11 07:34:24
April 11 2010 06:01 GMT
#147
Oh shit, yeah I don't know why it's doing that working on it...

EDIT: Found the problem: for players that have more than 255 wins, their wins are stored in 2 bytes rather than 1 (duh!) so my scanner needs to account for that which it doesn't. If someone's record looks suspicious you can probably add 256 wins and it will be correct (essentially they are rolling over after 255).

Will have it fixed later tonight I hope.

EDIT 2: Should now be fixed.
WorkersOfTheWorld
Profile Joined April 2010
United States619 Posts
April 11 2010 08:38 GMT
#148
I'm highly amused by those top ranked players sporting sub-10% w/l ratios.
Samwise: You don't want to play Dustin [Browder]. He can't even beat the UI, let alone the AI. -
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
April 11 2010 09:59 GMT
#149
On April 11 2010 17:38 WorkersOfTheWorld wrote:
I'm highly amused by those top ranked players sporting sub-10% w/l ratios.


You don't see it anymore right?
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
April 11 2010 10:03 GMT
#150
Looks really nice =)
Jaedong :3
Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
April 11 2010 10:14 GMT
#151
On April 11 2010 14:52 Gibybo wrote:
I just pushed v2.0, looking for feedback/suggestions/bug reports (You may have to refresh it once to get it to reload the stylesheet).

Also updated the rankings - there really seems to be a lot of activity in the top 5. IdrA down to 13th and the top 3 are brand new (to the top 3).


Looks really nice but I think you should readd the time of last update note.
9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
April 11 2010 10:16 GMT
#152
On April 11 2010 19:14 Dionyseus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2010 14:52 Gibybo wrote:
I just pushed v2.0, looking for feedback/suggestions/bug reports (You may have to refresh it once to get it to reload the stylesheet).

Also updated the rankings - there really seems to be a lot of activity in the top 5. IdrA down to 13th and the top 3 are brand new (to the top 3).


Looks really nice but I think you should readd the time of last update note.


Yeah I will, it was just causing some trouble with IE the way I initially had it in this design so I did a quick fix by deleting it. I'll add it back in a bit. In the future updates will be more frequent and they will be per player so it'l be part of the table (maybe when you highlight their name or something).
Setz3R
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States455 Posts
April 11 2010 11:07 GMT
#153
this is soo awesome, nice background now by the way, this is nice!!
twitch.tv/setz3r
ZenDeX
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Philippines2916 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-11 11:33:59
April 11 2010 11:32 GMT
#154
8th Place, Gale.zhang, 1865 rating, 8 wins, 181 losses

WAIT WUT?!

EDIT: errrr... apparently it's bugged on Nagash's database..
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
April 11 2010 11:46 GMT
#155
On April 11 2010 20:32 lolaloc wrote:
8th Place, Gale.zhang, 1865 rating, 8 wins, 181 losses

WAIT WUT?!

EDIT: errrr... apparently it's bugged on Nagash's database..


His site downloads from mine periodically. I had an error in my database and I fixed it, but his site must have downloaded it before the fix. It'll probably fix itself in a bit when he re downloads.
JiYan
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3668 Posts
April 11 2010 17:19 GMT
#156
tbh i dont like the new layout, it just makes things harder to see :[
Tindermate
Profile Joined March 2008
United States19 Posts
April 11 2010 22:27 GMT
#157
this is awesome! very very good job!
cant wait for the EU equivalent
pluu.mooh
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Austria142 Posts
April 11 2010 22:33 GMT
#158
yeah EU would be really great. Whats the problem so far that you cant make an EU ranking? having no EU Beta Key? Maybe someone could offer one, but i would really love to see EU rankings toO!
shinosai
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1577 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-11 22:47:50
April 11 2010 22:45 GMT
#159
On April 11 2010 01:43 CauthonLuck wrote:
Great work, I hope blizzard takes notice of how popular this is and at least ad an option to view ladder rankings overall by server if they insist on keeping the split divisions. Truth be told, nobody will care in the slightest about their division standing at high levels of play, and programs/sites like this one will be the "real" ladder standings if the system remains unchanged.


I agree, except this doesn't show the "real" ladder standings either. Divisions aren't directly comparable because Blizzard decided to make a terrible system.

Even though you're all playing the same pool of players, you get more points from these players depending on your division. Sweet!
Be versatile, know when to retreat, and carry a big gun.
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-12 03:07:28
April 12 2010 03:02 GMT
#160
On April 12 2010 07:33 pluu.mooh wrote:
yeah EU would be really great. Whats the problem so far that you cant make an EU ranking? having no EU Beta Key? Maybe someone could offer one, but i would really love to see EU rankings toO!


I would need access to an EU account and a list of people in each division. Alternatively, when I get my reader program to a more stable and easy to use stage, I can offer it for download and crowd-source the rankings.

On April 12 2010 07:45 shinosai wrote:I agree, except this doesn't show the "real" ladder standings either. Divisions aren't directly comparable because Blizzard decided to make a terrible system.

Even though you're all playing the same pool of players, you get more points from these players depending on your division. Sweet!


I think they are directly comparable. I don't think it's accurate that that you get a different amount of points based on your division, where'd you get that from?

Keep in mind that it's not hard for me to adjust the points based on divisions if that would provide more accurate rankings. I just need evidence that it would be more accurate,

On April 12 2010 02:19 JiYan wrote:
tbh i dont like the new layout, it just makes things harder to see :[


Thanks for the feedback. Can you be more specific about why it's harder to see? Perhaps I can offer a choice of multiple layouts in the future.
shinosai
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1577 Posts
April 12 2010 04:06 GMT
#161
They are definitely not directly comparable and this is a fact and not opinion. A blue poster specifically said a while ago that one of the "problems" with creating an overall ladder was because the divisions were not directly comparable.

I've been trying to look up the post for a while now but it's buried pretty deep within one of the various sc2 forums.
Be versatile, know when to retreat, and carry a big gun.
shinosai
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1577 Posts
April 12 2010 04:12 GMT
#162
Proof here:

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=23766800567&sid=5000&pageNo=2
Post 35

Sorry I misunderstood what the OP was referring to. I didn't mean to imply that one division is ranked better than the other, but simply explaining the basics of divisions. As far as comparison across divisions it's certainly something we've considered but there are issues, such that the rankings in one division don't directly translate to the other divisions. So you couldn't compare division 10 to division 48 and compare one player's points to another.
Be versatile, know when to retreat, and carry a big gun.
btlyger
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States470 Posts
April 12 2010 04:16 GMT
#163
Hey just wanted to say the new layout and coding is amaaazzing. I was easily able to find myself and see my rank and everything, and was easily and QUICKLY able to browse the rest of the ladder.

Great work man, hope to see this continue!
"Minerals being mined. Minerals being mined. Minerals being mined." Learn how to post: http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting
shinosai
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1577 Posts
April 12 2010 04:28 GMT
#164
Perhaps if you took the average of each division and adjusted ratings upwards or downwards based on the percentage of how far the division is from average, you'd have more accurate numbers. Just a guess, though. For example:

Presuming 1500 is the average rating in division 1, but 2000 is the average rating in division 2, we would adjust everyone in division 2 downwards by 25% to achieve equality.

That's the most balanced way I can think to do it with the presumption that rankings don't directly translate between each other.
Be versatile, know when to retreat, and carry a big gun.
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-12 04:49:50
April 12 2010 04:32 GMT
#165
On April 12 2010 13:12 shinosai wrote:
Proof here:

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=23766800567&sid=5000&pageNo=2
Post 35

Show nested quote +
Sorry I misunderstood what the OP was referring to. I didn't mean to imply that one division is ranked better than the other, but simply explaining the basics of divisions. As far as comparison across divisions it's certainly something we've considered but there are issues, such that the rankings in one division don't directly translate to the other divisions. So you couldn't compare division 10 to division 48 and compare one player's points to another.



Thanks for the link, this is interesting. I understand that rankings are not directly comparable (obviously since different divisions have different random levels of skill), but I don't understand why you can't compare the points. Everyone plays each other and the points awarded/lost are based on the hidden rating which afaik has nothing to do with division. I would appreciate any logical reasoning about why one division's points are more/less valuable than another division's points.

At the very least they seem to be pretty close right now.

On April 12 2010 13:28 shinosai wrote:
Perhaps if you took the average of each division and adjusted ratings upwards or downwards based on the percentage of how far the division is from average, you'd have more accurate numbers. Just a guess, though. For example:

Presuming 1500 is the average rating in division 1, but 2000 is the average rating in division 2, we would adjust everyone in division 2 downwards by 25% to achieve equality.

That's the most balanced way I can think to do it with the presumption that rankings don't directly translate between each other.


That's an interesting idea and certainly one way of doing it (and very easy for me to implement), but it makes some assumptions beyond what we know:

- That divisions as a whole vary with a bias to how easy it is to get points in them.
- That the average rating of a division is proportional to how easy it is to get points in that division.
- That the effect of this bias applies equally to all players within it.

I think it's relatively easy to show that at least one of those is wrong with a simple example:
Consider a new division 45 with one strong player and 99 players that hardly play. This one strong player will have the same bonus points as the players in division one and will be playing against the players in division one (and all the other divisions) such that the points gained by the player in division 45 are equal the amount of points a player in division 1 loses (outside of bonus points) when they play against each other. The average of division 45 is still roughly 1000, and the average of division 1 is 1200. In effect, the player in division 45 gets a 20% bonus to his points when playing directly against a player in division 1, why?
shinosai
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1577 Posts
April 12 2010 04:34 GMT
#166
On April 12 2010 13:32 Gibybo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2010 13:12 shinosai wrote:
Proof here:

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=23766800567&sid=5000&pageNo=2
Post 35

Sorry I misunderstood what the OP was referring to. I didn't mean to imply that one division is ranked better than the other, but simply explaining the basics of divisions. As far as comparison across divisions it's certainly something we've considered but there are issues, such that the rankings in one division don't directly translate to the other divisions. So you couldn't compare division 10 to division 48 and compare one player's points to another.



Thanks for the link, this is interesting. I understand that rankings are not directly comparable (obviously since different divisions have different random levels of skill), but I don't understand why you can't compare the points. Everyone plays each other and the points awarded/lost are based on the hidden rating which afaik has nothing to do with division. I would appreciate any logical reasoning about why one division's points are more/less valuable than another division's points.

At the very least they seem to be pretty close right now.


Any logical reason would be pure speculation.
Be versatile, know when to retreat, and carry a big gun.
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-12 05:04:49
April 12 2010 04:50 GMT
#167
On April 12 2010 13:34 shinosai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2010 13:32 Gibybo wrote:
On April 12 2010 13:12 shinosai wrote:
Proof here:

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=23766800567&sid=5000&pageNo=2
Post 35

Sorry I misunderstood what the OP was referring to. I didn't mean to imply that one division is ranked better than the other, but simply explaining the basics of divisions. As far as comparison across divisions it's certainly something we've considered but there are issues, such that the rankings in one division don't directly translate to the other divisions. So you couldn't compare division 10 to division 48 and compare one player's points to another.



Thanks for the link, this is interesting. I understand that rankings are not directly comparable (obviously since different divisions have different random levels of skill), but I don't understand why you can't compare the points. Everyone plays each other and the points awarded/lost are based on the hidden rating which afaik has nothing to do with division. I would appreciate any logical reasoning about why one division's points are more/less valuable than another division's points.

At the very least they seem to be pretty close right now.


Any logical reason would be pure speculation.


We have quite a lot of data and a pretty decent understanding of the ladder system. We can do a lot more than speculate with that.

On April 12 2010 13:16 btlyger wrote:
Hey just wanted to say the new layout and coding is amaaazzing. I was easily able to find myself and see my rank and everything, and was easily and QUICKLY able to browse the rest of the ladder.

Great work man, hope to see this continue!


Thanks!
shinosai
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1577 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-12 05:22:44
April 12 2010 05:07 GMT
#168
On April 12 2010 13:50 Gibybo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2010 13:34 shinosai wrote:
On April 12 2010 13:32 Gibybo wrote:
On April 12 2010 13:12 shinosai wrote:
Proof here:

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=23766800567&sid=5000&pageNo=2
Post 35

Sorry I misunderstood what the OP was referring to. I didn't mean to imply that one division is ranked better than the other, but simply explaining the basics of divisions. As far as comparison across divisions it's certainly something we've considered but there are issues, such that the rankings in one division don't directly translate to the other divisions. So you couldn't compare division 10 to division 48 and compare one player's points to another.



Thanks for the link, this is interesting. I understand that rankings are not directly comparable (obviously since different divisions have different random levels of skill), but I don't understand why you can't compare the points. Everyone plays each other and the points awarded/lost are based on the hidden rating which afaik has nothing to do with division. I would appreciate any logical reasoning about why one division's points are more/less valuable than another division's points.

At the very least they seem to be pretty close right now.


Any logical reason would be pure speculation.


We have quite a lot of data and a pretty decent understanding of the ladder system. We can do a lot more than speculate with that.


Well to start with you'd have to start recording rating exchanges between various players and establish a point of comparison to see if in fact rating exchange is unbiased in terms of divisions. It's not unreasonable to ask this as Blizzard says that the points are not comparable - so we'd just need to prove it for ourselves. A logical reason (again, speculation) would be that one division's points are more or less valuable than another division's points because: Blizzard has coded the ladder so that each individual division exists in its own bubble, with points being given out based on a combination of rank within the division, the existing points within the division, and ELO (the only thing people in different divisions have in common).

If we do establish that the rating exchange varies from division to division, however, we come into a pretty huge problem: If Blizzard can't compare points between divisions yet, then we'd have to figure out a formula ourselves. And even for a person gifted in mathematics, this would be quite difficult. Thus my advice on averaging the points is one for simplicities sake, rather than accuracy.

edit: Just from a personal point of view (this isn't good evidence, just my subjective experience) I'd say the system definitely feels like it's based more on rankings than it is in points for comparison. I'm in the top 10, I regularly play (and beat) top 10 players. I don't regularly fight people that are near my "points".
Be versatile, know when to retreat, and carry a big gun.
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-12 06:31:13
April 12 2010 05:57 GMT
#169
On April 12 2010 14:07 shinosai wrote:
ell to start with you'd have to start recording rating exchanges between various players and establish a point of comparison to see if in fact rating exchange is unbiased in terms of divisions.


I just started doing this by asking my opponents how many points they gained/lost after the game. It would be great if some other people did this too so we could get some more data

I played one game against someone in another division, I got 11 points but he only lost 7. (div 28)
I played another game against someone in my own division, I got 14 and he lost 14. (div 21)
I played another game against someone in another division, I lost 6 he gained 8 (div 7)

Of course bonus points are excluded.

Just for reference, the average ratings of those divisions as of 4/11 10 AM:
28: 1181.825
21: 1131.927
7: 1205.135

Out of this very large sample size it does appear there might be a bias to different divisions. Now we just have to figure out what it is (and why..)
nagash
Profile Joined May 2007
Australia58 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-12 12:21:19
April 12 2010 12:11 GMT
#170
Keep in mind, when you win you gain extra points from your bonus pool. So if you weren't taking that into account that could be why you have different readings?

Edit: Ah I have the flu, my reading comprehension is not so great, sorry about that.
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-12 12:14:34
April 12 2010 12:14 GMT
#171
On April 12 2010 21:11 nagash wrote:
Keep in mind, when you win you gain extra points from your bonus pool. So if you weren't taking that into account that could be why you have different readings?


On April 12 2010 14:57 Gibybo wrote:
Of course bonus points are excluded.

radiatoren
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Denmark1907 Posts
April 12 2010 12:28 GMT
#172
On April 12 2010 14:57 Gibybo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2010 14:07 shinosai wrote:
ell to start with you'd have to start recording rating exchanges between various players and establish a point of comparison to see if in fact rating exchange is unbiased in terms of divisions.


I just started doing this by asking my opponents how many points they gained/lost after the game. It would be great if some other people did this too so we could get some more data

I played one game against someone in another division, I got 11 points but he only lost 7. (div 28)
I played another game against someone in my own division, I got 14 and he lost 14. (div 21)
I played another game against someone in another division, I lost 6 he gained 8 (div 7)

Of course bonus points are excluded.

Just for reference, the average ratings of those divisions as of 4/11 10 AM:
28: 1181.825
21: 1131.927
7: 1205.135

Out of this very large sample size it does appear there might be a bias to different divisions. Now we just have to figure out what it is (and why..)


That is very interesting. However i think the most important part of comparing divisions are the number of points gained from bonus pools in each division. If one division has gotten 1200 bonus points and another has gained 2000 there will be more points gained outside of the games on the latter division. If i had to make a system, that would be the only problem with comparing divisions.

Therefore it could be funny to have stats like how many people are in the divisions each hour/day (depending on how exactly that part of the system works) and how that would impact the points gained or lost. Also tracking of activity of each player in the divisions are needed to gain a deeper knowledge of this function in the ladder.

Those stats would give an enormous advantage in developing the comparison of the divisions.
Repeat before me
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-12 12:33:25
April 12 2010 12:33 GMT
#173
On April 12 2010 21:28 radiatoren wrote:That is very interesting. However i think the most important part of comparing divisions are the number of points gained from bonus pools in each division. If one division has gotten 1200 bonus points and another has gained 2000 there will be more points gained outside of the games on the latter division. If i had to make a system, that would be the only problem with comparing divisions.

Afaik, bonus points are awarded equally to all players (if someone joins later, they are given enough to make up for the ones they missed), so certain divisions shouldn't have more than others.

I might be wrong of course but there was another thread on this forum about how it worked with more details.

Therefore it could be funny to have stats like how many people are in the divisions each hour/day (depending on how exactly that part of the system works) and how that would impact the points gained or lost. Also tracking of activity of each player in the divisions are needed to gain a deeper knowledge of this function in the ladder.

Those stats would give an enormous advantage in developing the comparison of the divisions.

I'm not sure what you mean here, like how often they are online? Or how the divisions grow over time in terms of the number of people in them?
Tamerlane
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada424 Posts
April 12 2010 13:09 GMT
#174
On April 12 2010 13:12 shinosai wrote:
Proof here:

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=23766800567&sid=5000&pageNo=2
Post 35

Show nested quote +
Sorry I misunderstood what the OP was referring to. I didn't mean to imply that one division is ranked better than the other, but simply explaining the basics of divisions. As far as comparison across divisions it's certainly something we've considered but there are issues, such that the rankings in one division don't directly translate to the other divisions. So you couldn't compare division 10 to division 48 and compare one player's points to another.


That was posted before the ladder reset, it was true for that period, but the calculation for bonus pool changed a lot since then.

I found out that before the reset, you gained 1 bonus point (sent in the pool) for every player that was in the division (whether they were there when you got it or when they joined) and I can guarantee this is no longer the case after the reset.

The only variable I can envisage with the new ladder system regarding the bonus pool, is how much time has elapsed starting at some point which I believe is fixed for everyone, that would be the time at which the ladder reset.

As I am writing this, the reset has been done 17 days and 9 hours ago.

I have used 45 bonus points when I was in the silver league, which amounts to approx. 5 days and 2 hours after the reset (for the last bonus point used) - that's an average of 2,71 hours/pt.

I have used 115 points while I was (still am) in the gold division. I have been in that league for 12 days, 3 hours and 25 minutes (between switch and the time I used my last bonus point), that would make an average of 2.53 hours/pt. But since that was after a ladder promotion, we would have to calculate that on a period where the initial bonus pool was depleted (on top that I had not 1000 MMR after promotion).

So, I depleted my initial bonus pool on 2010-04-05 at 01:22 and earned my last bonus point on 2010-04-12 at 06:52 (although it is entirely possible that I earned that last point in the previous 2 hours, that's an margin of error of ~0,05) - that's a length of 7 days, 5.5 hours (and for a total of 60pts). That makes an average of 2.89 hours/pt.

On the other hand, I had entered a 2v2 division quite some time after the reset (april 3rd) with 77 points in the bonus pool, that's an average of 2,87 hours/pt, which is inside the margin of error for the value calculated since I am in the gold division.

Bottom line is, I would be extremely surprised there would be another factor than time that affects the bonus pool.
shinosai
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1577 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-12 16:05:55
April 12 2010 16:03 GMT
#175
From what I understand, bonus points exist to help you fight against mass gamers. That is to say, if you want to take a break for a few days while some other guy keeps playing game after game, the bonus points are a way to catch up. I don't think they would be unique to each division, but rather to activity or time. They probably exist as a way to sort of normalize players within the division.

I agree with the post above me that says that time is the only thing that affects the bonus pool, as it goes in line with what previous blue posters have told us.
Be versatile, know when to retreat, and carry a big gun.
Mt.DiabloakaUniverse
Profile Joined March 2010
14 Posts
April 12 2010 20:14 GMT
#176
Very well done! Thanks!!

Now when I get mercd I know they have awesome stats and don't feel so bad!!!
brilliant quote: gtfo go-kart hellion! -MorroW
Autodidact
Profile Joined April 2010
United States27 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-12 23:23:07
April 12 2010 21:18 GMT
#177
Edit: nevermind

Thanks for the site!!
fillyjonk
Profile Joined May 2007
8 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-12 22:58:27
April 12 2010 22:40 GMT
#178
I'd love for www.starcraftrankings.com to eventually evolve into something as complete as this similar site made for AOE3:

http://aoe3.game-server.cc/rating2/ladder/age3ySP1v1

It provides a very clear overview of player rankings and personal stats, in addition to having fun and handy features like the ability to view your rating history in graph form to illustrate your skill progression through total played time.

But for starters maybe you could just steal the clean layout!

Edit: Completely forgot to give my appreciation for starcraftrankings as well! The above post was not to say that starcraftrankings is not very much appreciated in its current form. (Irregardless of problems of direct rating comparisons and personal layout preferences!) Extremely nice feature having links to replays right at the player list, I must say!
Jugan
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1566 Posts
April 12 2010 22:52 GMT
#179
wow THIS IS AWESOME! How did you manage to do this? Wootwoot top 1000 in US beta (not much of an achievement, but i suck lol)

Thanks for all the hard work!
Even a Savior couldn't fix all problems. www.twitch.tv/xJugan
Pervect
Profile Joined June 2007
1280 Posts
April 12 2010 23:01 GMT
#180
Is there a way to sort by win ratio, or wins, or losses? If not, that would be something cool to add. Great work!
TimeToPractice!
Profile Joined January 2010
United States105 Posts
April 12 2010 23:11 GMT
#181
Awesome job, this is pretty sweet
425-298 cumulative record in the beta. 49-26 record in retail. Account: Practice
radiatoren
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Denmark1907 Posts
April 12 2010 23:16 GMT
#182
On April 12 2010 21:33 Gibybo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2010 21:28 radiatoren wrote:That is very interesting. However i think the most important part of comparing divisions are the number of points gained from bonus pools in each division. If one division has gotten 1200 bonus points and another has gained 2000 there will be more points gained outside of the games on the latter division. If i had to make a system, that would be the only problem with comparing divisions.

Afaik, bonus points are awarded equally to all players (if someone joins later, they are given enough to make up for the ones they missed), so certain divisions shouldn't have more than others.

I might be wrong of course but there was another thread on this forum about how it worked with more details.


ok, didn't see it, and I am not familiar with how the bonus points are awarded. What I mean with this post however, is that the number of unused points in the bonus pool for each division will vary based on the activity of the division, so a division with a lot of unused bonus points, will have a lower average number of points, thus the division with most activity will have the least bonus points that are not used. Therefore the different average point values you use for each division is more a result of activity than anything else.

Therefore it could be funny to have stats like how many people are in the divisions each hour/day (depending on how exactly that part of the system works) and how that would impact the points gained or lost. Also tracking of activity of each player in the divisions are needed to gain a deeper knowledge of this function in the ladder.

Those stats would give an enormous advantage in developing the comparison of the divisions.

I'm not sure what you mean here, like how often they are online? Or how the divisions grow over time in terms of the number of people in them?[/QUOTE]

the growth of the division over time(not sure those data are available?) AND the activity of each player (which is available as it stands).
Repeat before me
iSTime
Profile Joined November 2006
1579 Posts
April 12 2010 23:26 GMT
#183
I'm pretty sure some of the divisions aren't updating as often as you say they are. My rating in division 39 has been the same on this ranking list for like 6 days or something.
www.infinityseven.net
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
April 12 2010 23:36 GMT
#184
On April 13 2010 08:26 PJA wrote:
I'm pretty sure some of the divisions aren't updating as often as you say they are. My rating in division 39 has been the same on this ranking list for like 6 days or something.



Oops, didn't realize I had a name for 39. It didn't show up on https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0Ac7yROTo2o8SZDh2ZnQyaF82NjNmNXF0Z3RkZA&hl=en so I've been skipping 39/40. 39 will be in the updates from now on.
gogogadgetflow
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2583 Posts
April 13 2010 00:57 GMT
#185
beastly stuff. thanks
JiYan
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3668 Posts
April 13 2010 01:04 GMT
#186
i feel like a lot of divisions are MIA. division 5?
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
April 13 2010 01:05 GMT
#187
On April 13 2010 10:04 JiYan wrote:
i feel like a lot of divisions are MIA. division 5?

Division 5 actually has only 2 players in it.
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-13 01:17:36
April 13 2010 01:17 GMT
#188
Sweeet. I'm 1435th best player in the US and I havent been on for almost a week Good stuff you got here though.
BW -> League -> CSGO
iSTime
Profile Joined November 2006
1579 Posts
April 13 2010 01:19 GMT
#189
On April 13 2010 08:36 Gibybo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2010 08:26 PJA wrote:
I'm pretty sure some of the divisions aren't updating as often as you say they are. My rating in division 39 has been the same on this ranking list for like 6 days or something.



Oops, didn't realize I had a name for 39. It didn't show up on https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0Ac7yROTo2o8SZDh2ZnQyaF82NjNmNXF0Z3RkZA&hl=en so I've been skipping 39/40. 39 will be in the updates from now on.


Ah, I see. I added the account I use for 39.
www.infinityseven.net
pluu.mooh
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Austria142 Posts
April 13 2010 01:46 GMT
#190
Lets make a list for european divison account names and show us how to get and update the data
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-13 02:16:31
April 13 2010 02:16 GMT
#191
On April 13 2010 10:46 pluu.mooh wrote:
Lets make a list for european divison account names and show us how to get and update the data


I've added a section to the doc ( https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0Ac7yROTo2o8SZDh2ZnQyaF82NjNmNXF0Z3RkZA&hl=en&pli=1 ) for euro names. If someone gives me a euro account (it only needs to be for an hour or so per update) I can add them now, otherwise I will be distributing the ladder reader program in the near future (though I may still need a euro account to modify it for the euro client).
nagash
Profile Joined May 2007
Australia58 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-13 03:07:44
April 13 2010 03:04 GMT
#192
http://sc2ranks.heroku.com updated.

* Minor UI improvements, didn't spend a lot of time here.
* Race/Division pages are basically just placeholders, not sure what I'm gonna do with them yet.
* Player pages -- click a player's name to go to their page. The results returned are the player plus 3 players either side of the players current position, based on the sort criteria you select (defaults to "Rating")

And finally the most interesting feature,
* Historical Data & Interactive Graphs. Graphs display information based on the sort criteria you select. Check/uncheck a player's checkbox in the table to display them in the graph.

If you have problems with the site, use Firefox. I've tested in Firefox and IE8 only, and I will probably never support IE6/7 actively.
Zoltan
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States656 Posts
April 13 2010 18:54 GMT
#193
Hey! get division 46 on there, im finally high ranked lol ...... still only 1250 rating though
'HOW LONG HAVE THOSE REAPERS BEEN KILLING MY PROBES?!?!
Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
April 13 2010 19:38 GMT
#194
Are the updates not done automatically? Says last update is from yesterday.
9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
Yammiez
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada186 Posts
April 14 2010 00:31 GMT
#195
Just got into Platinum and got into rank 1 (only for a sec, now there's another ladder to fight my way to the top). Anyways I can supply Division 47 but the doc is down... it's been trolled.
Smash fear, learn anything; except for spiders
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
April 14 2010 02:39 GMT
#196
On April 14 2010 09:31 Yammiez wrote:
Just got into Platinum and got into rank 1 (only for a sec, now there's another ladder to fight my way to the top). Anyways I can supply Division 47 but the doc is down... it's been trolled.


You can revert to previous versions similar to Wikipedia, just go to file -> revision history. I've changed it so you at least have to log in to a Google account to edit now, then I'll just block any trolls by their account name.

On April 14 2010 04:38 Dionyseus wrote:
Are the updates not done automatically? Says last update is from yesterday.


I have to open my client and request all the divisions before my program can get them from StarCraft's memory and upload it to my server. I'll update again in just a bit.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
April 14 2010 03:43 GMT
#197
Add me to see Plat Division 49.

Im vaderseven.vaderseven

Its brand new but growing fast
Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-14 05:16:26
April 14 2010 04:16 GMT
#198
Levin.doob, first player to reach 2000 after the reset.
9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
April 14 2010 04:47 GMT
#199
On April 14 2010 12:43 vaderseven wrote:
Add me to see Plat Division 49.

Im vaderseven.vaderseven

Its brand new but growing fast


Wow new divisions are coming fast. I might have to limit myself to 50 until I can do it another way.
neorj
Profile Joined April 2010
Brazil10 Posts
April 14 2010 04:49 GMT
#200
On April 14 2010 13:16 Dionyseus wrote:
Levin.doob, first player to reach 2000 after the rest.





yep and he is brazillian, was a famous w3 player that went to wcg and other major`s tournaments
Tamerlane
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada424 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-14 05:08:24
April 14 2010 05:03 GMT
#201
Ran some stats on top20/50/200 of the ladder, just out of curiosity:

Top 20

	# players	Avg. Rating	Total Wins	Total Losses	Ratio
Terran 5 1946 698 435 61,6
Protoss 6 1966 779 454 63,2
Zerg 7 1929 1172 654 64,2
Random 2 1931 302 161 65,2


Top 50

	# players	Avg. Rating	Total Wins	Total Losses	Ratio
Terran 11 1887 1428 915 60,9
Protoss 19 1883 2770 1817 60,4
Zerg 13 1885 2154 1285 62,6
Random 7 1870 972 603 61,7


Top 200

	# players	Avg. Rating	Total Wins	Total Losses	Ratio
Terran 58 1703 7075 5041 58,4
Protoss 55 1760 7804 5592 58,3
Zerg 72 1684 7819 5337 59,4
Random 15 1733 1941 1358 58,8



As we can see, zergs have systematically the highest win ratio, ergo: nerf zergs please.

(no, I'm not being serious, don't bash)
Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-14 05:21:05
April 14 2010 05:20 GMT
#202
On April 14 2010 14:03 Tamerlane wrote:
Ran some stats on top20/50/200 of the ladder, just out of curiosity:

As we can see, zergs have systematically the highest win ratio, ergo: nerf zergs please.

(no, I'm not being serious, don't bash)



Looks close between the four races, although in the top 200 the low number of random players is noticed.
9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
April 14 2010 05:57 GMT
#203
Will there ever be a 2v2 ladder?
Jaedong :3
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
April 14 2010 06:24 GMT
#204
On April 14 2010 14:57 ReketSomething wrote:
Will there ever be a 2v2 ladder?


Sure, if there is ever enough demand.
Tamerlane
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada424 Posts
April 14 2010 16:32 GMT
#205
Yeah, I'd very much like to see 2v2 as well!

and by the way, for some reason I am unable to edit the list of division names (the google document) - and I did it before

anyways, for division 49 there's Andrik.duskbin (already 94 players in this division, so we'll probably hit 50 today)
shinosai
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1577 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-14 18:38:28
April 14 2010 18:36 GMT
#206
I'd sort of like to see 2v2, except it's difficult to take it seriously when I beat rank 1 AT teams with a random partner all the time. It seems to me that the 2v2 ladder is not taken seriously at all at the moment. This may change on release but solo ladder is much harder atm.

Couldn't hurt to throw it up there, though.
Be versatile, know when to retreat, and carry a big gun.
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
April 15 2010 21:57 GMT
#207
I am adding an initial update for Europe today, it's at http://www.dev2.starcraftrankings.com/ (may have all sorts of bugs that appear and disappear as I am working on it).

I need European platinum account names, right now I only have 29 Please update the doc in the OP or PM me with the account names if you have trouble editing it.
LaLuSh
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden2358 Posts
April 15 2010 22:10 GMT
#208
Might notice lots of duplicates on Europe. Many players have had their accounts "reset", with their old account and their stats frozen in an old state.

And then rank up a new account (which is identical to but disconnected from the first one), in a different division.

Just a heads up since that might interfere with your ranking.
Chronopolis
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada1484 Posts
April 15 2010 23:00 GMT
#209
Wow this is pretty sick! How is the data gotten? Directly from SC2?
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
April 15 2010 23:07 GMT
#210
On April 16 2010 07:10 LaLuSh wrote:
Might notice lots of duplicates on Europe. Many players have had their accounts "reset", with their old account and their stats frozen in an old state.

And then rank up a new account (which is identical to but disconnected from the first one), in a different division.

Just a heads up since that might interfere with your ranking.


Ah that will require some extra work indeed, thanks for the heads up.

On April 16 2010 08:00 Chronopolis wrote:
Wow this is pretty sick! How is the data gotten? Directly from SC2?


Yea, from the process's memory.
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
April 15 2010 23:27 GMT
#211
Div1- Daut.Daut
Div2- Flayer.flayer
Div3- Roxkispomi.roxkis
div4- doohorses.pandasrule
div5-
div6- lucifronnnnn.pedro
div7- raints.oov
div8-
div9- ghost.rain
div10- luckismyskil.malaco
div11- diehilde.diehilde
div12-
div13- starkiller.blueberry
div14-
div15-
div16- nort.tot
div17- naib.nfteam
div18-
div19-
div20-
div21-
div22- aquagen.animal
div23- xdkfat.xdk
div24-
div25-
div26-
div27-
div28-
div29-
div30-
div31-
div32-
div33-
div34
div35-
div36- MYMDemuslim.mym
div37- sen.duskbin
div38-
div39-
div40-
div41- gnetcasper.gnetcasper
div42- lylat.bug
div43- roxkisdimaga.roxkis
div44-tegbird.gravu
div45-
div46- imba.imba
div47-
div48-
div49-
div50-
div51-
div52-
div53- greed.sin
twitter.com/therealdhalism | "Trying out Z = lots of losses vs inferior players until you figure out how to do it well (if it even works)."- Liquid'Tyler
nagash
Profile Joined May 2007
Australia58 Posts
April 16 2010 01:19 GMT
#212
You just gonna have a separate CSV file for Europe Gibybo, or you gonna add a field for region and use 1 CSV?
AskJoshy
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1625 Posts
April 16 2010 01:54 GMT
#213
Thanks again to Gibybo for setting all of this up. I've used it as a resource a dozen or more times already. =)
Heroes, Hearthstone, and SC2 videos: http://www.youtube.com/AskJoshy
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
April 16 2010 02:32 GMT
#214
On April 16 2010 10:19 nagash wrote:
You just gonna have a separate CSV file for Europe Gibybo, or you gonna add a field for region and use 1 CSV?


Probably going to be a parameter in the url - starcraftrankings.com/csv.php?server=EU or similar.
Magnificent
Profile Joined March 2010
United States41 Posts
April 16 2010 02:35 GMT
#215
this is getting better each time i coem back ^^
endo8910
Rantech
Profile Joined April 2010
Chile527 Posts
April 16 2010 05:06 GMT
#216
Gibybo, you've done a great job here, but im wondering if you could add more divs to US server.

im actually at div 52.
make me know if i can help you with that.

thx in advice
c u
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
April 16 2010 05:17 GMT
#217
On April 16 2010 14:06 iloveeea wrote:
Gibybo, you've done a great job here, but im wondering if you could add more divs to US server.

im actually at div 52.
make me know if i can help you with that.

thx in advice
c u


I just need an account name in that division to add it.

In the very near future (a day or two) you will be able to automatically update the divisions of you and your friends. That will also mean all leagues will be available rather than just platinum
Rantech
Profile Joined April 2010
Chile527 Posts
April 16 2010 06:18 GMT
#218
oh nice feature

iloveeea.iloveeea div 52

thx
Tamerlane
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada424 Posts
April 16 2010 06:28 GMT
#219
On April 15 2010 03:36 shinosai wrote:
I'd sort of like to see 2v2, except it's difficult to take it seriously when I beat rank 1 AT teams with a random partner all the time. It seems to me that the 2v2 ladder is not taken seriously at all at the moment. This may change on release but solo ladder is much harder atm.

Couldn't hurt to throw it up there, though.


there are so many 2v2 divisions, it's really not that hard to hit top2-3, you just need to be decent enough and play a lot of games

of course it's not taken as seriously, even though I found 2v2 to be quite fun, it's a bit redundant as it's much harder to get away with teching or FE'ing than 1v1

BUT, the 2 main reasons I can see why it's not taken seriously are those:

- There's almost no competition (tournaments/leagues) in 2v2
- Out of the 3 maps in the pool you have Twilight Fortress which is considered quite a bad map and/or quite boring to play


but yeah, I have to agree there are not enough good teams in 2v2, I remember that when I played a lot of 2s with my teammate we had encountered only 3 or 4 teams that gave us trouble on a regular basis (teams with players like Axslav, iNControl, LzGamer)
Wi)nD
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada719 Posts
April 16 2010 06:33 GMT
#220
holy crap awesome!!

nice to see how everyone fars and finaly something to compare the different servers
Poclo
Profile Joined April 2010
Brazil2 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-16 11:09:15
April 16 2010 11:05 GMT
#221
Very nice JOB Gibybo, i use the data in http://sc2hive.com.br/players

Thanksss
Alexc26
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom222 Posts
April 16 2010 12:10 GMT
#222
Ermm, on the link which should take you to the Document on google, it now takes you to "ASURITE Sign-In" For the Arizona State University.
trooth
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany39 Posts
April 16 2010 12:51 GMT
#223
thanks for adding EU, you're doing a great job.
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
April 16 2010 16:11 GMT
#224
On April 16 2010 21:10 Alexc26 wrote:
Ermm, on the link which should take you to the Document on google, it now takes you to "ASURITE Sign-In" For the Arizona State University.


Lol oops, should be fixed now
Alexc26
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom222 Posts
April 16 2010 18:08 GMT
#225
When roughly will that program be ready so people can use it for the ladders etc ?
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-16 20:43:24
April 16 2010 20:42 GMT
#226
I think more divisions are being added for platinum. For example, I just got into a platinum division 54 on the US server.

+ Show Spoiler +
My account name is Caesor.Ryuu
Alexc26
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom222 Posts
April 16 2010 21:32 GMT
#227
Im updating it now Gibybo
fevax
Profile Joined February 2010
Turkey143 Posts
April 16 2010 21:53 GMT
#228
hi, you can add me as fevax.tunca for europe divison 27
Alexc26
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom222 Posts
April 16 2010 22:29 GMT
#229
On April 17 2010 06:53 fevax wrote:
hi, you can add me as fevax.tunca for europe divison 27


Done
Bowser-
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany15 Posts
April 16 2010 22:30 GMT
#230
bowser.tobbi for eu division 14.
very very nice ladderoverview, thx alot!
Alexc26
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom222 Posts
April 16 2010 22:36 GMT
#231
On April 17 2010 07:30 Bowser- wrote:
bowser.tobbi for eu division 14.
very very nice ladderoverview, thx alot!


I have added you to the list as well

If anyone else wants to be on the list, you have to be in the platinum league, please look at the list which is on the first post, and look under the EU section, if you are in a division which hasn't got a name there, post your name here and either me or someone else who can edit the file will put it there.
Rantech
Profile Joined April 2010
Chile527 Posts
April 18 2010 10:59 GMT
#232
come on Gibybo add more divs .

keep the gr8 job!
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
April 18 2010 11:15 GMT
#233
Added me for EU div 30. The link "www.dev2.starcraftrankings.com, " is broken, add a space before the comma or something.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Alexc26
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom222 Posts
April 18 2010 11:35 GMT
#234
On April 18 2010 20:15 spinesheath wrote:
Added me for EU div 30. The link "www.dev2.starcraftrankings.com, " is broken, add a space before the comma or something.


Well, the website works, just doesn't pick up any data, what i think is being done is that its going to be run through one website, with the drop down menu instead of having 2 separate sites for the EU and US, i think.
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
April 18 2010 13:07 GMT
#235
On April 18 2010 20:35 Alexc26 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2010 20:15 spinesheath wrote:
Added me for EU div 30. The link "www.dev2.starcraftrankings.com, " is broken, add a space before the comma or something.


Well, the website works, just doesn't pick up any data, what i think is being done is that its going to be run through one website, with the drop down menu instead of having 2 separate sites for the EU and US, i think.


That is correct. I actually have the uploader program ready to release, but it uses a new format that includes league and server so I have to get the website and database caught up, then you'll see the Euro data again.
Alexc26
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom222 Posts
April 18 2010 13:14 GMT
#236
On April 18 2010 22:07 Gibybo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2010 20:35 Alexc26 wrote:
On April 18 2010 20:15 spinesheath wrote:
Added me for EU div 30. The link "www.dev2.starcraftrankings.com, " is broken, add a space before the comma or something.


Well, the website works, just doesn't pick up any data, what i think is being done is that its going to be run through one website, with the drop down menu instead of having 2 separate sites for the EU and US, i think.


That is correct. I actually have the uploader program ready to release, but it uses a new format that includes league and server so I have to get the website and database caught up, then you'll see the Euro data again.


Well, whenever the program is ready for me to use or something, upload it to megaupload or somewhere like that and shoot me a PM with the link in
Solai
Profile Joined September 2009
204 Posts
April 18 2010 13:23 GMT
#237
Sweet site! Finally something to look up people
NuKedUFirst
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada3139 Posts
April 18 2010 13:28 GMT
#238
awesome! very interesting tool!
FrostedMiniWeet wrote: I like winning because it validates all the bloody time I waste playing SC2.
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
April 18 2010 13:45 GMT
#239
On April 18 2010 22:14 Alexc26 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2010 22:07 Gibybo wrote:
On April 18 2010 20:35 Alexc26 wrote:
On April 18 2010 20:15 spinesheath wrote:
Added me for EU div 30. The link "www.dev2.starcraftrankings.com, " is broken, add a space before the comma or something.


Well, the website works, just doesn't pick up any data, what i think is being done is that its going to be run through one website, with the drop down menu instead of having 2 separate sites for the EU and US, i think.


That is correct. I actually have the uploader program ready to release, but it uses a new format that includes league and server so I have to get the website and database caught up, then you'll see the Euro data again.


Well, whenever the program is ready for me to use or something, upload it to megaupload or somewhere like that and shoot me a PM with the link in


I was thinking more like I'd upload it to starcraftrankings.com?

Glad you'll use it though, I think I'm going to implement a leader board for people that have submitted the most division updates ^^
pluu.mooh
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Austria142 Posts
April 18 2010 13:47 GMT
#240
Thanks dude! This is great! Hopefully you are ready for the upcoming reset
violett
Profile Joined July 2007
Germany143 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-18 15:31:04
April 18 2010 15:29 GMT
#241
thx, keep up the work, ive edited 15 division europe accounts in the list.
Alexc26
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom222 Posts
April 18 2010 18:55 GMT
#242
On April 18 2010 22:45 Gibybo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2010 22:14 Alexc26 wrote:
On April 18 2010 22:07 Gibybo wrote:
On April 18 2010 20:35 Alexc26 wrote:
On April 18 2010 20:15 spinesheath wrote:
Added me for EU div 30. The link "www.dev2.starcraftrankings.com, " is broken, add a space before the comma or something.


Well, the website works, just doesn't pick up any data, what i think is being done is that its going to be run through one website, with the drop down menu instead of having 2 separate sites for the EU and US, i think.


That is correct. I actually have the uploader program ready to release, but it uses a new format that includes league and server so I have to get the website and database caught up, then you'll see the Euro data again.


Well, whenever the program is ready for me to use or something, upload it to megaupload or somewhere like that and shoot me a PM with the link in


I was thinking more like I'd upload it to starcraftrankings.com?

Glad you'll use it though, I think I'm going to implement a leader board for people that have submitted the most division updates ^^


Hmm, yeah, that works as well, uploading it to the site, didn't think of that

Leader board thing sounds cool
Prozen
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States338 Posts
April 18 2010 19:22 GMT
#243
Pelvic.Thrust if you want Platinum Division 43.
To transcend beyond greatness, you must become greatness itself.
Alexc26
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom222 Posts
April 18 2010 19:51 GMT
#244
On April 19 2010 04:22 Prozen wrote:
Pelvic.Thrust if you want Platinum Division 43.


We already have that division, ta anyway.
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-19 09:41:04
April 19 2010 09:40 GMT
#245
Alright, you can now select the server and league you want to view

I've also released the updater program (link on front page) so you can update divisions yourself. There are so many now that there is no way I can do them all myself :p

I sent the updater for testing to 3 friends and it worked for 2 and failed on 1, your mileage may vary. enUS or enGB clients are required (US and EU servers respectively).
Artisan
Profile Joined February 2010
United States336 Posts
April 19 2010 09:48 GMT
#246
I can search individual players but get nothing in return if I try to browse leagues or divisions
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-19 09:56:25
April 19 2010 09:53 GMT
#247
To the people that tried to upload a division, I am getting empty sets, mind sending me a PM with what you did and what it said?

[image loading]


On April 19 2010 18:48 Artisan wrote:
I can search individual players but get nothing in return if I try to browse leagues or divisions


Some leagues don't have data yet, are you trying EU/US Platinum, then clicking the "Browse" button?

Do you see the data when the page first loads (default US Platinum)?
F.A.O.D.
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
100 Posts
April 19 2010 09:57 GMT
#248
any plans for asian server yet?
ㅅ_ㅅ;;
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
April 19 2010 10:00 GMT
#249
On April 19 2010 18:57 F.A.O.D. wrote:
any plans for asian server yet?


Sure as soon as I find someone to let me borrow an Asia account Their names concern me a little bit since they don't have to be the standard a-Z that the US and EU servers enforce, which makes parsing trickier.
Artisan
Profile Joined February 2010
United States336 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-19 10:13:32
April 19 2010 10:13 GMT
#250
On April 19 2010 18:53 Gibybo wrote:
To the people that tried to upload a division, I am getting empty sets, mind sending me a PM with what you did and what it said?

[image loading]


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On April 19 2010 18:48 Artisan wrote:
I can search individual players but get nothing in return if I try to browse leagues or divisions


Some leagues don't have data yet, are you trying EU/US Platinum, then clicking the "Browse" button?

Do you see the data when the page first loads (default US Platinum)?



No i am not seeing data when the page loads and trying to check for all platinum US with browse doesn't show me anything =/ Using Firefox

It was working earlier today though
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-19 10:20:44
April 19 2010 10:16 GMT
#251
Is anyone else having this problem:

On April 19 2010 19:13 Artisan wrote:
No i am not seeing data when the page loads and trying to check for all platinum US with browse doesn't show me anything =/ Using Firefox

It was working earlier today though


Strange, mind PMing me your IP so I can check logs? www.whatismyip.com

EDIT: Try doing a full reload in Firefox with Ctrl-R, if that doesn't work try testing it in a different browser.
Artisan
Profile Joined February 2010
United States336 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-19 10:25:57
April 19 2010 10:24 GMT
#252
Works fine with Internet Explorer hmm wierd must be on my end

EDIT: alright refreshing the page worked changed the layout and everything displayed
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
April 19 2010 10:31 GMT
#253
On April 19 2010 19:24 Artisan wrote:
Works fine with Internet Explorer hmm wierd must be on my end

EDIT: alright refreshing the page worked changed the layout and everything displayed


From the logs, your browser was never requesting the new javascript, css, or images. I'm not sure why it thought its cache was up to date, possibly a bad cache expiration setting on my server, but that seemed to be the problem since it needs the new javascript to request the data properly.
Alexc26
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom222 Posts
April 19 2010 10:33 GMT
#254
The program is awesome, just quickly went on, went on a few of my friends ladders, did the thing with the program, heard the beeps, then looked at the website and the ladder was there, nice and easy to use lol,
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
April 19 2010 10:37 GMT
#255
On April 19 2010 19:33 Alexc26 wrote:
The program is awesome, just quickly went on, went on a few of my friends ladders, did the thing with the program, heard the beeps, then looked at the website and the ladder was there, nice and easy to use lol,


I saw you uploading, awesome
Alexc26
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom222 Posts
April 19 2010 12:52 GMT
#256
For me the program isn't working right, i go to a ladder, i do the Shift + ctrl + S and it does the error beep :| Which is weird because i haven't done anything different to when i did the first time which worked.
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
April 19 2010 13:06 GMT
#257
On April 19 2010 21:52 Alexc26 wrote:
For me the program isn't working right, i go to a ladder, i do the Shift + ctrl + S and it does the error beep :| Which is weird because i haven't done anything different to when i did the first time which worked.


Did you try multiple times with multiple ladder pages? What about restarting StarCraft II? It might also be worth testing different graphics settings (restart sc2 after you make changes if it says you need to) since that dramatically changes the amount of memory SC2 uses (as possibly the memory that my program looks at).
Alexc26
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom222 Posts
April 19 2010 13:39 GMT
#258
On April 19 2010 22:06 Gibybo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2010 21:52 Alexc26 wrote:
For me the program isn't working right, i go to a ladder, i do the Shift + ctrl + S and it does the error beep :| Which is weird because i haven't done anything different to when i did the first time which worked.


Did you try multiple times with multiple ladder pages? What about restarting StarCraft II? It might also be worth testing different graphics settings (restart sc2 after you make changes if it says you need to) since that dramatically changes the amount of memory SC2 uses (as possibly the memory that my program looks at).


Tried with many different ladders, i did restart SC2, still didn't work, and would changing the graphics really make that much of a difference ? on the program it said something like 1000mb of memory or something.
radiatoren
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Denmark1907 Posts
April 19 2010 14:06 GMT
#259
i used a high setting and got 3 or 4 errors each time i tried to update with the 1089 mb files. I changed the settings to low and now the program is scanning 300-500 mb of memory which is a more reasonable amount of data and it doesn't end with an error. However i can't see the changes in the ladder yet from my updates.
Repeat before me
Alexc26
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom222 Posts
April 19 2010 14:10 GMT
#260
Just tried it again and it said.

Scanning 509 MB Of memory
Error: No ladder page found, try viewing a different one then coming back to it.

radiatoren
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Denmark1907 Posts
April 19 2010 14:13 GMT
#261
On another note: You might want to add the possibility of choosing divisions above 100 in the division drop-down menu. Especially for the lower leagues as i'm in silver division 135 and i guess more people will have the same wishes.
Repeat before me
radiatoren
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Denmark1907 Posts
April 19 2010 14:18 GMT
#262
Alec26: You have to stay in sc2 while the process is running. Wait 30 seconds with the screen at your ladder-page after you have used ctrl+shift+s. At the same time: If you use a firewall like comodo you might want to turn it off while you use the program, cause it can ask for privileges for the program, while it is scanning data.
Repeat before me
Alexc26
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom222 Posts
April 19 2010 14:25 GMT
#263
On April 19 2010 23:18 radiatoren wrote:
Alec26: You have to stay in sc2 while the process is running. Wait 30 seconds with the screen at your ladder-page after you have used ctrl+shift+s. At the same time: If you use a firewall like comodo you might want to turn it off while you use the program, cause it can ask for privileges for the program, while it is scanning data.


I do stay in SC2 while it happens, it only takes like 5 seconds, then the beep happens, and there isn't a firewall on my PC, what i don't get is why it worked earlier fine, and then i try it again and it doesn't work.
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-19 14:30:33
April 19 2010 14:28 GMT
#264
There are definitely issues with the program that cause it to not find data sometimes, as I have run into them myself. The problem is just that finding the specific data you need in the entire process memory is prone to these errors, especially since it moves every time you scan.

Technically speaking you don't need to stay in SC2 while it is running, and the program is completely done with it after the completion/error beep so you don't need to keep looking at the ladder page (though if you change before the beep it will very likely think the data is corrupted and abort). It also doesn't send the data until after the scan is completed, and the parsed data will remain in memory until the network connection to my server is terminated.

I'm working as fast as I can to increase the success rate of the scanning, but until then my only suggestion is to try at different times.

what i don't get is why it worked earlier fine, and then i try it again and it doesn't work.

The ladder info jumps around all over in memory and sometimes it is hard to find, sometimes it will find it and sometimes it wont. There isn't a good reason for that, but when the only info I have to go on is raw binary memory dumps it takes some time
Alexc26
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom222 Posts
April 19 2010 14:30 GMT
#265
It is a good program though, when it works
Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
April 19 2010 21:43 GMT
#266
Stangely it is claiming that ThisIsJimmy.silassassin is in Gold division 22 and ranked 0, but on my ladder page he is still rank 1 platinum division 22, rated 2168.
9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
Megaman703
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada688 Posts
April 19 2010 21:51 GMT
#267
I ran the reader, and it works great for me, but when I look at the ladder rankings, it still shows players in my (gold) division that are no longer there (which I assume means they've been promoted) If the reader can add players into the rankings, removing them would make the rankings more accurate for the players in the lower divisions.
ThisIsJimmy
Profile Joined July 2004
United States546 Posts
April 19 2010 21:56 GMT
#268
Yeah something is buggy now. Looks like a lot of platinum divisions got switched to Gold for some reason.
Twitter @_ThisIsJimmy_
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
April 19 2010 23:03 GMT
#269
On April 20 2010 06:51 Megaman703 wrote:
I ran the reader, and it works great for me, but when I look at the ladder rankings, it still shows players in my (gold) division that are no longer there (which I assume means they've been promoted) If the reader can add players into the rankings, removing them would make the rankings more accurate for the players in the lower divisions.


This is easy to fix (I think), just need a bit.

On April 20 2010 06:56 Silent`Assassin wrote:
Yeah something is buggy now. Looks like a lot of platinum divisions got switched to Gold for some reason.


Ugh, don't know why this is happening Reverted to earlier data for now.
JiYan
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3668 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-24 08:00:42
April 23 2010 07:04 GMT
#270
If you need id's after the patch 9.1 reset

JiYan.lee platinum division 4 US (patch 9.1)

Edit: they released a small fix to patch 9, I updated my name and division
Alexc26
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom222 Posts
April 24 2010 23:24 GMT
#271
Will the new program your working on gunna be basically the same as the one that you already released ? Just for the newer patch etc ?
JiYan
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3668 Posts
April 29 2010 18:27 GMT
#272
how is this going?
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
April 29 2010 18:56 GMT
#273
On April 25 2010 08:24 Alexc26 wrote:
Will the new program your working on gunna be basically the same as the one that you already released ? Just for the newer patch etc ?


Yes, with some bug fixes. I am also adding a background mode so that it will optionally just automatically scan ladder pages whenever you view them without having to press a button (it might cause lag for single/dual core systems so its only an option).

In the future it may have some extra features as well like showing you your global rank in a window or show your opponents stats when you join a game etc. Some will depend on where I think Blizzard wants to draw the line between hacks and not hacks of course.

As far as an update on progress goes, I've been busy working on some school projects for my last week of school (ever!) so I haven't had much time for it, but hopefully I'll have it back up and running for the latest patch by the end of the week.
CynanMachae
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Canada1459 Posts
April 30 2010 00:30 GMT
#274
If needed, for plat division 90, Cynan.cynanmachae (as I see it's not there)
Jang Yoon Chul hwaiting!
SC2Phoenix
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2814 Posts
April 30 2010 00:35 GMT
#275
wow GJ Ty!
Who the fuck has a family of fucking trees? This song is so god damn stupid. Fuck you song, fuck you and your stupid trees. -itmeJP
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
May 02 2010 05:29 GMT
#276
Alright updated for this patch. Lots of divisions missing though and data is a little less reliable now

There are over 100 divisions for each league (and multiple servers!). It looks like this method of updating is about reaching its limit :/ Looking into other ways, but it's a pain in the ass

Ladder reader v3 is up also. It's basically the same, just modified for this patch + some extra error messages when things don't work.

I had been testing a background mode that would just continually scan for ladder divisions, but I just couldn't get it reliable enough to turn on for this release :/
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8748 Posts
May 02 2010 06:54 GMT
#277
On May 02 2010 14:29 Gibybo wrote:
Alright updated for this patch. Lots of divisions missing though and data is a little less reliable now

There are over 100 divisions for each league (and multiple servers!). It looks like this method of updating is about reaching its limit :/ Looking into other ways, but it's a pain in the ass

Ladder reader v3 is up also. It's basically the same, just modified for this patch + some extra error messages when things don't work.

I had been testing a background mode that would just continually scan for ladder divisions, but I just couldn't get it reliable enough to turn on for this release :/

Can you prioritize Platinum for now? I think that's what most people want to see.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
May 02 2010 07:56 GMT
#278
On May 02 2010 15:54 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2010 14:29 Gibybo wrote:
Alright updated for this patch. Lots of divisions missing though and data is a little less reliable now

There are over 100 divisions for each league (and multiple servers!). It looks like this method of updating is about reaching its limit :/ Looking into other ways, but it's a pain in the ass

Ladder reader v3 is up also. It's basically the same, just modified for this patch + some extra error messages when things don't work.

I had been testing a background mode that would just continually scan for ladder divisions, but I just couldn't get it reliable enough to turn on for this release :/

Can you prioritize Platinum for now? I think that's what most people want to see.


I only do platinum divisions myself - the others are just other people uploading them.
CynanMachae
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Canada1459 Posts
May 02 2010 23:42 GMT
#279
Hm I can't seem to be able to update anything, I always get the error League not detected
Jang Yoon Chul hwaiting!
GruGloG
Profile Joined December 2008
Netherlands114 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-02 23:53:48
May 02 2010 23:51 GMT
#280
This is very nice indeed! Uploaded data for some EU-division that were not there.

EDIT: Hmmm, why does it store like 4 players from some divisions and 64 from another when I upload divisionstats ?
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
May 03 2010 02:16 GMT
#281
On May 03 2010 08:42 CynanMachae wrote:
Hm I can't seem to be able to update anything, I always get the error League not detected


Well it's not perfect Have you tried after playing a game? For some strange reason my program is failing to read some sections of memory, and after going through the loading of a game it pushes memory around such that the ladder league/division part becomes readable. At least that's what happens on my computer.

Also, it needs to be an English client (GB or US).

On May 03 2010 08:51 GruGloG wrote:
This is very nice indeed! Uploaded data for some EU-division that were not there.

Awesome, thanks

EDIT: Hmmm, why does it store like 4 players from some divisions and 64 from another when I upload divisionstats ?


I'm not sure what you mean, it says 'Uploaded 4 players ...' when there are actually more in the page you are looking at? That shouldn't happen (though there are lots of issues I know), you could try scanning again and/or refreshing the page by viewing another then coming back to it and scanning again.
GruGloG
Profile Joined December 2008
Netherlands114 Posts
May 03 2010 02:41 GMT
#282

I'm not sure what you mean, it says 'Uploaded 4 players ...' when there are actually more in the page you are looking at? That shouldn't happen (though there are lots of issues I know), you could try scanning again and/or refreshing the page by viewing another then coming back to it and scanning again.


Yeah, when I was looking at my own division it uploaded like the first 16 players or something and when I was looking at division 1 it uploaded 64 and on division 20-ish 4 players . It did not help to start the program over again it still only took a fixed number of players from each division I uploaded.
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-03 02:47:01
May 03 2010 02:46 GMT
#283
On May 03 2010 11:41 GruGloG wrote:
Show nested quote +

I'm not sure what you mean, it says 'Uploaded 4 players ...' when there are actually more in the page you are looking at? That shouldn't happen (though there are lots of issues I know), you could try scanning again and/or refreshing the page by viewing another then coming back to it and scanning again.


Yeah, when I was looking at my own division it uploaded like the first 16 players or something and when I was looking at division 1 it uploaded 64 and on division 20-ish 4 players . It did not help to start the program over again it still only took a fixed number of players from each division I uploaded.


There is a window of time after you load a ladder page that the memory is valid and complete. It's like 3 seconds after it loads until 3-5 minutes later. Before or after that it can be fragmented. Sometimes it can get fragmented even within that window (especially with your own division if you haven't viewed others yet). Sometimes loading a different ladder division then coming back to it will clear it up, other times it won't :/
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
May 03 2010 02:54 GMT
#284
do you update the rankings or does it do it automatically?

or do you mean it just updates rankings daily
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-03 03:02:08
May 03 2010 03:00 GMT
#285
On May 03 2010 11:54 arb wrote:
do you update the rankings or does it do it automatically?

or do you mean it just updates rankings daily


Previously I was doing daily passes of all the divisions. I had a program that would upload the stats of a particular division while I was looking at it. So it was automatic, but I had to manually go visit all the divisions.

Now it's more distributed and divisions are updated independently by anyone who downloads the updater (link on the front page). You can see the last updated time next to each ranking on the site.

All of the players in the top 50 have been updated in the last 6 hours, most of them in the last 2.
Kinky
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States4126 Posts
May 03 2010 07:36 GMT
#286

Rank Div Race Name Rating Win Loss Ratio Updated
1 6 Terran Myrtana.xyz#wong 6501 81 54 60% May 2, 21:49

Is that a bug on the site or does he really have 6501 elo? O_o
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8748 Posts
May 03 2010 07:54 GMT
#287
The people who got a ton of bonus points they didn't deserve are showing through in that top 50 haha...
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
May 03 2010 08:46 GMT
#288
On May 03 2010 16:54 Liquid`NonY wrote:
The people who got a ton of bonus points they didn't deserve are showing through in that top 50 haha...

what do you expect, bonus points are nice idea but poorly executed.
You should lose bonus points for losing games.
twitter.com/therealdhalism | "Trying out Z = lots of losses vs inferior players until you figure out how to do it well (if it even works)."- Liquid'Tyler
Megaman703
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada688 Posts
May 03 2010 08:50 GMT
#289
btw, there are more than 100 plat divisions now. I'm in plat 105
T.O.P. *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
May 03 2010 09:06 GMT
#290
When I search my own username, my username shows up with rank 0.
Oracle comes in, Scvs go down, never a miscommunication.
Khalleb
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1909 Posts
May 03 2010 12:30 GMT
#291
is it normal, there's not all ppl in my divison in those data ?
Liquid'Nony: "I only needed one probe to take down idra. I had to upgrade to a zealot for strelok."
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-03 14:12:42
May 03 2010 14:10 GMT
#292
On May 03 2010 16:36 Kinky wrote:
Show nested quote +

Rank Div Race Name Rating Win Loss Ratio Updated
1 6 Terran Myrtana.xyz#wong 6501 81 54 60% May 2, 21:49

Is that a bug on the site or does he really have 6501 elo? O_o

No it's a bug It'l fix itself when someone else scans it again hopefully.

On May 03 2010 21:30 KhAlleB wrote:
is it normal, there's not all ppl in my divison in those data ?

That's also a bug, and it also will generally correct itself over future scans.

On May 03 2010 18:06 T.O.P. wrote:
When I search my own username, my username shows up with rank 0.

Yeah I broke search rankings, I'll fix it in a bit :/
Ruthless
Profile Joined August 2008
United States492 Posts
May 03 2010 14:29 GMT
#293
When my account got reset I was still left in division 13 but my new placements put me in 53 as well. I have a ranking in both places but only the Div 53 one updates o.o
Naib
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Hungary4843 Posts
May 03 2010 14:30 GMT
#294
On May 03 2010 16:54 Liquid`NonY wrote:
The people who got a ton of bonus points they didn't deserve are showing through in that top 50 haha...


I'm 1800 and I lost my bonus points (I even have poor stats!)

How could someone have 6k+ though, that surely has to be a glitch?
Complete the cycle!
Arco
Profile Joined September 2009
United States2090 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-03 14:34:35
May 03 2010 14:34 GMT
#295
oh hey im 86th USA and beat 1st USA :D go me

nice work as always gibybo
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-03 14:38:21
May 03 2010 14:37 GMT
#296
On May 03 2010 23:30 Naib wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2010 16:54 Liquid`NonY wrote:
The people who got a ton of bonus points they didn't deserve are showing through in that top 50 haha...


I'm 1800 and I lost my bonus points (I even have poor stats!)

How could someone have 6k+ though, that surely has to be a glitch?


Lol the bonus points really did screw up this ladder season, I thought they were just going to reset it again :/ I used 200 of mine, then logged off and they went away A day later my account got reset (GG division 4 -> 49). Others used 400+ of their points and never got reset.

The 6k+ person is a glitch yes. It has happened about 4 times (looking at my logs) in the past 2 days. I'm not sure how to prevent it, but it goes away on its own once someone updates the division that person is from again.
iZno
Profile Joined July 2008
France13 Posts
May 03 2010 14:59 GMT
#297
Hi, great job !

Do you know if it could be possible/easy to do for 2on2 as well ? (:

(maybe someone alrdy asked for it, but i can't find)
NO
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15686 Posts
May 03 2010 15:01 GMT
#298
On May 03 2010 23:59 iZno wrote:
Hi, great job !

Do you know if it could be possible/easy to do for 2on2 as well ? (:

(maybe someone alrdy asked for it, but i can't find)


To be honest, I think that with there being so much work that already needs to go into the solo ladder, that 2v2 is pretty pointless. Someone can get high ranked in platinum by playing like 20 games. Its not really a competitive thing right now.
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
May 03 2010 15:01 GMT
#299
On May 03 2010 23:59 iZno wrote:
Hi, great job !

Do you know if it could be possible/easy to do for 2on2 as well ? (:

(maybe someone alrdy asked for it, but i can't find)


Yeah I plan to add 2v2 eventually, but I have a lot of other things I think are more important to do first.
Kinky
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States4126 Posts
May 03 2010 16:27 GMT
#300
It seems that division 34 is completely missing from the rankings O_o
Rigid
Profile Joined March 2010
United States79 Posts
May 03 2010 17:15 GMT
#301
well im trying to use it to help keep it updated but i get an error everytime.


Error:No players found.
Error:League not detected.
Error:Division not found, this may fix itself after playing a game.

Well after 10 games and trying it after every game, its still not working =\. Any tips?
vvv-gaming.com
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-03 17:44:56
May 03 2010 17:44 GMT
#302
On May 04 2010 02:15 Rigid wrote:
well im trying to use it to help keep it updated but i get an error everytime.


Error:No players found.
Error:League not detected.
Error:Division not found, this may fix itself after playing a game.

Well after 10 games and trying it after every game, its still not working =\. Any tips?

I don't know You could try changing graphics settings to see if that changes anything. Assuming you're using an English language client.

On May 04 2010 01:27 Kinky wrote:
It seems that division 34 is completely missing from the rankings O_o


You could download the updater and add it Or post the name of someone in that division and I'll add it myself.
JiYan
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3668 Posts
May 04 2010 01:36 GMT
#303
is there a way to fix how if you search for a specific user, it doesnt show their rank.
Kinky
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States4126 Posts
May 04 2010 07:57 GMT
#304
On May 04 2010 02:44 Gibybo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2010 01:27 Kinky wrote:
It seems that division 34 is completely missing from the rankings O_o


You could download the updater and add it Or post the name of someone in that division and I'll add it myself.

I don't know what the updater is, so here's the identifier of #1 in the division :D LengMo.cainiaoyige
JiYan
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3668 Posts
May 04 2010 09:29 GMT
#305
http://starcraftrankings.com/client/SC2LadderReader v4.zip

that should be the link to the updater. run the exe and it should be fairly self-explanatory from there.

see if you can update now ^^
Kinky
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States4126 Posts
May 05 2010 07:44 GMT
#306
Wow, the updater is so cool :D
Kinky
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States4126 Posts
May 07 2010 05:46 GMT
#307
I've had trouble with the updater ever since the downtime a few days ago. It always says No Players Found whenever I try to update
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
May 07 2010 05:49 GMT
#308
On May 07 2010 14:46 Kinky wrote:
I've had trouble with the updater ever since the downtime a few days ago. It always says No Players Found whenever I try to update


Yeah they screwed with the format in memory again, I'll try and fix it tomorrow.
Wi)nD
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada719 Posts
May 07 2010 06:03 GMT
#309
i really like the way this ladder is going, should try to get it sticky'd or embemded to home of tl.net
Kambo_Rambo
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia79 Posts
May 07 2010 08:28 GMT
#310
100% sure blizzard will make an online searchable ladder. Obviously the game is still in beta.
You require more vespene minerals?
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
May 08 2010 00:05 GMT
#311
Just put up v5 of the updater, should work with patch 11 now.

On May 07 2010 17:28 Kambo_Rambo wrote:
100% sure blizzard will make an online searchable ladder. Obviously the game is still in beta.


Yes but will they get rid of these stupid divisions? With the right implementation of pro league this whole thing will be solved and my site will be obsolete, but in the meantime I want league-wide rankings searchable and online
BeyondCtrL
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden642 Posts
May 08 2010 00:25 GMT
#312
Seriously embarrassing on Blizzard's part that one has to visit a 3rd party website in order to view rankings based on ratings.

Maybe if divisions automatically grouped certain rating brackets?
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-08 09:15:59
May 08 2010 09:13 GMT
#313
Looks like someone f*cked up all the top ladder rankings on the site/battle.net
[image loading]
BW -> League -> CSGO
ColorsOfRainbow
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany354 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-08 09:54:00
May 08 2010 09:53 GMT
#314
seems like hacked from little kiddy without friends and no family which loves him

ps: i rly hope its no sc2 or bw gamer because come on how can u be so gay and unsocial to make such shitt ? u must rly be HATED by ur parents and they tell it u every day to be so stupid oO
Snowfield
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1289 Posts
May 08 2010 09:56 GMT
#315
That sucks
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
May 08 2010 10:24 GMT
#316
On May 08 2010 18:53 ColorsOfRainbow wrote:
seems like hacked from little kiddy without friends and no family which loves him

ps: i rly hope its no sc2 or bw gamer because come on how can u be so gay and unsocial to make such shitt ? u must rly be HATED by ur parents and they tell it u every day to be so stupid oO


Hope its a wow player!

But seriously...whats the point.
Jaedong :3
TwilightStar
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States649 Posts
May 08 2010 14:31 GMT
#317
On May 08 2010 19:24 ReketSomething wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2010 18:53 ColorsOfRainbow wrote:
seems like hacked from little kiddy without friends and no family which loves him

ps: i rly hope its no sc2 or bw gamer because come on how can u be so gay and unsocial to make such shitt ? u must rly be HATED by ur parents and they tell it u every day to be so stupid oO


Hope its a wow player!

But seriously...whats the point.



It probably was a wow player, I don't see how a SC player would be some dumb as to do this.

Hopefully it gets restored back to its former glory :[
(5)Twilight Star.scx --------- AdmiralHoth: There was one week when I didn't shave for a month.
Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
May 08 2010 15:36 GMT
#318
There seems to be a bug that's causing it to show wrong win counts for some players. For example jmsantos.jmsantos from the Copper league is shown to have a 94-65 rec (59.12%), but when I check ingame his actual record is 50-65 (43%) which is more consistent with the ladder system of keeping everyone in this league under 50%.

Jon.inhaledalarm from the Copper league is shown to have a 108-44 rec (71.05%), but ingame he's only 35-46 (43%).
9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-09 05:59:47
May 09 2010 05:40 GMT
#319
On May 08 2010 18:53 ColorsOfRainbow wrote:
seems like hacked from little kiddy without friends and no family which loves him

ps: i rly hope its no sc2 or bw gamer because come on how can u be so gay and unsocial to make such shitt ? u must rly be HATED by ur parents and they tell it u every day to be so stupid oO


lol

script kiddies of this sort are easy to stop, just figured I'd wait to protect it until someone actually abused it so I could focus on adding features instead of security :p Will be much harder tomorrowish

Deleted/banned IP for now and stopping uploads.

On May 09 2010 00:36 Dionyseus wrote:
There seems to be a bug that's causing it to show wrong win counts for some players. For example jmsantos.jmsantos from the Copper league is shown to have a 94-65 rec (59.12%), but when I check ingame his actual record is 50-65 (43%) which is more consistent with the ladder system of keeping everyone in this league under 50%.

Jon.inhaledalarm from the Copper league is shown to have a 108-44 rec (71.05%), but ingame he's only 35-46 (43%).


I'll look into it.
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-09 05:56:55
May 09 2010 05:56 GMT
#320
oops double post
KiLL_ORdeR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1518 Posts
May 09 2010 06:15 GMT
#321
so when I tried to get the data, this came up

+ Show Spoiler +
Name,Rating,Race,Division,Wins,Losses,League,Server,Updated lanFun.washere0,1,Noob,1,1,1,Platinum,BA,2010-05-08 17:11:58 lanFun.washere0,1,Noob,1,1,1,Platinum,BA,2010-05-08 17:11:58 lanFun.washere0,1,Noob,1,1,1,Platinum,BA,2010-05-08 17:11:58 lanFun.washere0,1,Noob,1,1,1,Platinum,BA,2010-05-08 17:11:58 lanFun.washere0,1,Noob,1,1,1,Platinum,BA,2010-05-08 17:11:58 lanFun.washere0,1,Noob,1,1,1,Platinum,BA,2010-05-08 17:11:58 lanFun.washere0,1,Noob,1,1,1,Platinum,BA,2010-05-08 17:11:58 lanFun.washere0,1,Noob,1,1,1,Platinum,BA,2010-05-08 17:11:58 lanFun.washere0,1,Noob,1,1,1,Platinum,BA,2010-05-08 17:11:58 lanFun.washere0,1,Noob,1,1,1,Platinum,BA,2010-05-08 17:11:58 lanFun.washere0,1,Noob,1,1,1,Platinum,BA,2010-05-08 17:11:58 lanFun.washere0,1,Noob,1,1,1,Platinum,BA,2010-05-08 17:11:58 lanFun.washere0,1,Noob,1,1,1,Platinum,BA,2010-05-08 17:11:58 lanFun.washere0,1,Noob,1,1,1,Platinum,BA,2010-05-08 17:11:58 lanFun.washere0,1,Noob,1,1,1,Platinum,BA,2010-05-08 17:11:58 lanFun.washere0,1,Noob,1,1,1,Platinum,BA,2010-05-08 17:11:58 lanFun.washere0,1,Noob,1,1,1,Platinum,BA,2010-05-08 17:11:58 lanFun.washere0,1,Noob,1,1,1,Platinum,BA,2010-05-08 17:11:58 lanFun.washere0,1,Noob,1,1,1,Platinum,BA,2010-05-08 17:11:58 lanFun.washere0,1,Noob,1,1,1,Platinum,BA,2010-05-08 17:11:58 lanFun.washere0,1,Noob,1,1,1,Platinum,BA,2010-05-08 17:11:58 lanFun.washere0,1,Noob,1,1,1,Platinum,BA,2010-05-08 17:11:58 lanFun.washere0,1,Noob,1,1,1,Platinum,BA,2010-05-08 17:11:58 lanFun.washere0,1,Noob,1,1,1,Platinum,BA,2010-05-08 17:11:58 lanFun.washere0,1,Noob,1,1,1,Platinum,BA,2010-05-08 17:11:58 lanFun.washere0,1,Noob,1,1,1,Platinum,BA,2010-05-08 17:11:58 lanFun.washere0,1,Noob,1,1,1,Platinum,BA,2010-05-08 17:11:58 lanFun.washere0,1,Noob,1,1,1,Platinum,BA,2010-05-08 17:11:58 lanFun.washere0,1,Noob,1,1,1,Platinum,BA,2010-05-08 17:11:58 lanFun.washere0,1,Noob,1,1,1,Platinum,BA,2010-05-08 17:11:58 lanFun.washere0,1,Noob,1,1,1,Platinum,BA,2010-05-08 17:11:58 ,584,Protoss,77,82,2,Platinum,US,2010-05-06 10:22:35 lanFun.washere0,1,Noob,1,1,1,Platinum,BA,2010-05-08 17:11:58 !lanFun.washere0,1,Noob,1,1,1,Platinum,BA,2010-05-08 17:11:58 "lanFun.washere0,1,Noob,1,1,1,Platinum,BA,2010-05-08 17:11:58 #lanFun.washere0,1,Noob,1,1,1,Platinum,BA,2010-05-08 17:11:58 $lanFun.washere0,1,Noob,1,1,1,Platinum,BA,2010-05-08 17:11:58 %lanFun.washere0,1,Noob,1,1,1,Platinum,BA,2010-05-08 17:11:58 .baxa,1268,Zerg,1,18,11,Platinum,EU,2010-05-08 13:32:52 .com,1022,Protoss,45,17,2,Platinum,EU,2010-05-08 16:38:40 .dnepr,1158,Protoss,164,9,9,Silver,EU,2010-05-08 06:57:55 .elkramn,995,Terran,75,0,3,Silver,EU,2010-05-08 01:12:32 .executor,518,Protoss,69,5,1,Gold,EU,2010-05-03 05:34:32 .exl,1297,Zerg,1,19,13,Platinum,EU,2010-05-08 13:32:52 .hdhuskyk,1930,Terran,120,92,65,Platinum,US,2010-05-08 22:47:08 .monarx,1255,Protoss,164,31,24,Silver,EU,2010-05-08 06:57:55 .mortl,1496,Protoss,22,43,32,Platinum,EU,2010-05-08 20:14:27 .nbk,518,Terran,127,12,12,Silver,EU,2010-05-03 11:32:22 .qwe,1059,Protoss,22,23,5,Platinum,EU,2010-05-08 20:14:27 .roxkis,1455,Random,9,89,28,Platinum,EU,2010-05-08 15:52:29 .rus,824,Protoss,1,10,11,Gold,EU,2010-05-06 09:33:58 .yoyobangbang,1305,Zerg,5,68,16,Platinum,EU,2010-05-08 03:02:36 .,1311,Protoss,82,60,48,Bronze,US,2010-05-07 23:03:32


along with a very graphic picture of a naked man pulling his asshole open which I decided not to post. Did someone else hack the site? cuz I sure as shit hope so
In order to move forward, we must rid ourselves of that which holds us back. Check out my stream and give me tips! twitch.tv/intotheskyy
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-09 21:51:19
May 09 2010 06:20 GMT
#322
Should be fixed now.

sigh, yeah it's the same guy. He forged over 800 records from 2 IPs lol :p

to TL mods if you want to search for him here, IPs are:

66.7.199.108
71.61.17.176

Appear to be proxies though so that's probably pointless.

EDIT: To those wondering how the attacks happened:

The updater uploads data by sending a POST request to starcraftrankings.com/input.php with the players in the division (as well as a version number for the updater). This is unencrypted and trivial to forge.

hitting starcraftrankings.com/input.php?version=4&data=Gibybo.gibybo,9000,999,0 (with a POST so not your browser unless you make an html form with the POST method) will insert Gibybo.gibybo with a rating of 9000 and 999 wins 0 losses.

Further, hitting starcraftrankings.com/input.php?version=4&data=<img src='goatse'>,9000 etc will insert that image in place of my name.

The second one is a little emberassing since I wasn't escaping characters like I should have been, but the first was intentional because I just wanted to see how long it would take before someone did it. They will be encrypted from the next versions of the updater onwards as a trivial fix to spoofing the data.
erickeK
Profile Joined April 2010
United States112 Posts
May 12 2010 04:21 GMT
#323
I'm still getting that error saying I'm supposedly not looking at the page.
Where da hamsters at?
Wi)nD
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada719 Posts
May 12 2010 04:26 GMT
#324
i love ppl that got nothign bette to do, then bug up websites lol
CynanMachae
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Canada1459 Posts
May 12 2010 04:33 GMT
#325
On May 12 2010 13:21 erickeK wrote:
I'm still getting that error saying I'm supposedly not looking at the page.

Yup getting the same error
Jang Yoon Chul hwaiting!
Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
May 14 2010 22:07 GMT
#326
Is it not working for patch 12?
9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
May 14 2010 22:18 GMT
#327
Guess not, I'll try and fix it today.
hellsan631
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States695 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-14 22:28:12
May 14 2010 22:25 GMT
#328
i think that any reporting done on player names shouldn't post the second identifier. Like when i see qxc, or TLO, i know their names and chat with them

so instead of qxc.root, i only see qxc

i can also pester them while they are busy competing.

lack of DnD isn't nice, so how bout a little privacy?

just a suggestion, that i think would do a great good for now (and perhaps in the future), in which only players Avatar names are displayed (instead of the dot ident).

since there has been countless amounts of times when im watching a game and a player gets messaged, or spammed.

again, i don't want to sound rude. but hey. if i was a top plat player, i wouldn't want everyone to know my ident, unless i say so. and honestly, this is a problem with blizzards ID function, and not related to the amazing work your doing with the ladder system
Hrrrrm
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2081 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-14 22:35:13
May 14 2010 22:29 GMT
#329
On May 15 2010 07:25 hellsan631 wrote:
i think that any reporting done on player names shouldn't post the second identifier. Like when i see qxc, or TLO, i know their names and chat with them

so instead of qxc.root, i only see qxc

i can also pester them while they are busy competing.

lack of DnD isn't nice, so how bout a little privacy?

just a suggestion, that i think would do a great good for now (and perhaps in the future), in which only players Avatar names are displayed (instead of the dot ident).

since there has been countless amounts of times when im watching a game and a player gets messaged, or spammed.

again, i don't want to sound rude. but hey. if i was a top plat player, i wouldn't want everyone to know my ident, unless i say so. and honestly, this is a problem with blizzards ID function, and not related to the amazing work your doing with the ladder system


When you set yourself to busy/away you don't get messages during games. The messages are still received but you only see them when you leave the game.

Edit: Forgot to mention this rankings page is also not the only way to get someones identifier. They've been posted in countless threads with brackets for a tourney. If an idiot wanted to really spam someone over and over again they'd do it. There is a "block communication" function in the friends list for a reason.
alot = a lot (TWO WORDS)
Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-14 22:34:59
May 14 2010 22:34 GMT
#330
On May 15 2010 07:25 hellsan631 wrote:
i think that any reporting done on player names shouldn't post the second identifier. Like when i see qxc, or TLO, i know their names and chat with them

so instead of qxc.root, i only see qxc

i can also pester them while they are busy competing.

lack of DnD isn't nice, so how bout a little privacy?

just a suggestion, that i think would do a great good for now (and perhaps in the future), in which only players Avatar names are displayed (instead of the dot ident).

since there has been countless amounts of times when im watching a game and a player gets messaged, or spammed.

again, i don't want to sound rude. but hey. if i was a top plat player, i wouldn't want everyone to know my ident, unless i say so. and honestly, this is a problem with blizzards ID function, and not related to the amazing work your doing with the ladder system


I'd vote against this. I think if you're popular enough to have people stalk you (like movie stars for example) that's just something you have to live with. I for example like looking at popular players' match history, which would be impossible to do if I don't know the player's in-game identity. Blizzard could make life easier for the famous players by implementing spam filters etc.
9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
hellsan631
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States695 Posts
May 14 2010 22:36 GMT
#331
On May 15 2010 07:29 Hrrrrm wrote:

When you set yourself to busy/away you don't get messages during games. The messages are still received but you only see them when you leave the game.


this only sometimes works (i don't know about the newest patch).

day9 was casting a game (forgot which one), where the player logged off then back on and set status to busy.

yet he still got messaged in game.

if this has indeed been fixed, then i guess i don't have any problem. but i still find it a bit nerving that i can go look up anyone top in the ladder and talk to them at any time, and perhaps even spam them.
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-15 01:07:50
May 15 2010 01:07 GMT
#332
I very much dislike the secret identifier system in the first place. First of all, it's not really secret because you can get someone's identifier by looking at their ladder division on Battle.net, getting a message from them, or playing them in a game. It's really just an inconvenience to players that want to lookup other players and a way of endorsing impersonators.

I think it's a key feature of starcraftrankings.com that I can find someone's full game name and look up their profile if I so wish. I'm fixing Blizzard's ladder system as well as their broken identifier system at the same time!

If people are getting harassed because their name is public, then that is a failure of Blizzard's privacy features, not of a public ladder. Remember that ICCup, Wc3, and countless other competitive ladders provide the player's full game name and it wasn't a problem.

With that said, I might consider letting players change their own display name by request.
Asta
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany3491 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-15 10:38:51
May 15 2010 10:37 GMT
#333
So I am getting

Error: No players found
Error: League not detected
Error: Division not found, this may fix itself after playing a game

when I try to update. I have the eu-uk client and try to scan eu plat division 20. Have had that problem forever, but I want to see my ranking and it's very obsolete.
ilovecrk.ilovecrk is me if you need one.
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7222 Posts
May 16 2010 10:24 GMT
#334
I have the same error as Asta. US Platinum Division 131. Top player is MaiDoAri.rob.
日本語が分かりますか
KillerPenguin
Profile Joined June 2004
United States516 Posts
May 16 2010 11:51 GMT
#335
Awesome idea, hope u get everything working some criticisms.

1. My name is not included and neither is the guy that just beat me so I assume a lot of people are still not included.
2. When I try to use the program it says Error: No players found so I guess it doesn't work with new patch
3. Rank 6 is 14-207 so there's still cheaters
4. The division list only goes down to 100
http://www.escapeintolife.com/
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
May 16 2010 19:18 GMT
#336
Same here, I get the error "Error: No players found" when I scan the ladder page.
nagash
Profile Joined May 2007
Australia58 Posts
May 17 2010 02:19 GMT
#337
On May 16 2010 20:51 KillerPenguin wrote:
3. Rank 6 is 14-207 so there's still cheaters


This is more then likely because wins are stored in more then 1 byte or whatever, so if the player has > 255 wins it doesn't work. Safe to assume that record is probably more like 269 - 207.

Anyways, in other news I've finally updated http://sc2ranks.heroku.com to use all the new data (region, leagues, etc).

It now has global ranks, region ranks, and division ranks.

I'm going to have to setup some background jobs (and hence, paid hosting) if I want to keep history data and updates running smoothly which means it's gonna start costing me money. Not entirely sure if I want to go down that road.

Keep in mind if your using the search fields (division, race, min rating, player name) that your results are also filtered by your navigation selections (Region & League).
Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
May 17 2010 04:18 GMT
#338
On May 17 2010 04:18 FabledIntegral wrote:
Same here, I get the error "Error: No players found" when I scan the ladder page.


The updater hasn't been updated for the new patch yet.
9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
tyCe
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia2542 Posts
May 17 2010 06:43 GMT
#339
On May 17 2010 11:19 nagash wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2010 20:51 KillerPenguin wrote:
3. Rank 6 is 14-207 so there's still cheaters


This is more then likely because wins are stored in more then 1 byte or whatever, so if the player has > 255 wins it doesn't work. Safe to assume that record is probably more like 269 - 207.

Anyways, in other news I've finally updated http://sc2ranks.heroku.com to use all the new data (region, leagues, etc).

It now has global ranks, region ranks, and division ranks.

I'm going to have to setup some background jobs (and hence, paid hosting) if I want to keep history data and updates running smoothly which means it's gonna start costing me money. Not entirely sure if I want to go down that road.

Keep in mind if your using the search fields (division, race, min rating, player name) that your results are also filtered by your navigation selections (Region & League).

So, by the same token, there are gold players with 99% win-rate?
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ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
May 17 2010 06:53 GMT
#340
qxc #2 =O
Jaedong :3
Gyro
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway36 Posts
May 17 2010 07:06 GMT
#341
Mmmh, great. I love statistics !

Btw, is it possible to see race popularity by League ?
That really hurt
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
May 17 2010 07:08 GMT
#342
On May 17 2010 11:19 nagash wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2010 20:51 KillerPenguin wrote:
3. Rank 6 is 14-207 so there's still cheaters
This is more then likely because wins are stored in more then 1 byte or whatever, so if the player has > 255 wins it doesn't work. Safe to assume that record is probably more like 269 - 207.

Yeah this.

Sorry I am slacking, there are a few bugs I need to fix (like the win/loss records not being accurate) and it needs to be updated for the latest patch. I plan on fixing it tomorrow but it's not the first time I've said that so no guarantees!
JiYan
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3668 Posts
May 18 2010 05:35 GMT
#343
thanks for doing this gibybo, let us know when its fixed please ^^
iAmSoniK
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada246 Posts
May 18 2010 05:40 GMT
#344
Good Job Gibybo ! its nice to see the full rankings.

Hopefully the updater starts working soon.
KillerPenguin
Profile Joined June 2004
United States516 Posts
May 18 2010 08:34 GMT
#345
Gibybo u should definitely stop slacking and get this up! I'm sure thousands of people need it up, you could probably make some money with advertisements too. I'd be happy to help I have some time and a bit of programming experience.
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Shenron
Profile Joined May 2010
United States105 Posts
May 18 2010 10:36 GMT
#346
Wow. Thanks a bunch (:
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Asta
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany3491 Posts
May 19 2010 22:52 GMT
#347
Pretty please. ^^
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
May 19 2010 23:07 GMT
#348
I think patch 13 is coming out in the next 24 hours which may change it again so I'll start after it comes out so I don't have to do it twice :p
Wi)nD
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada719 Posts
May 22 2010 05:25 GMT
#349
this gonna get re-set up for the new reset?
CynanMachae
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Canada1459 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-22 05:29:14
May 22 2010 05:29 GMT
#350
Lol with no identifier and random divisions names this is gonna be such a pain in the ass to set this up...
Jang Yoon Chul hwaiting!
Rantech
Profile Joined April 2010
Chile527 Posts
May 29 2010 04:13 GMT
#351
So, now that the ladder 1st phase will end in 7th June, will you put an effort to update the data ?

i really hope so.

Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
May 29 2010 06:53 GMT
#352
On May 29 2010 13:13 iloveeea wrote:
So, now that the ladder 1st phase will end in 7th June, will you put an effort to update the data ?

i really hope so.



How? Names aren't unique in this patch.
9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
May 29 2010 09:57 GMT
#353
On May 22 2010 14:29 CynanMachae wrote:
Lol with no identifier and random divisions names this is gonna be such a pain in the ass to set this up...

Pretty much...
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
July 16 2010 09:29 GMT
#354
Well this update was long overdue, but starcraftrankings.com is now better than ever

In the next few days: 99% of all players on US and EU will be in the system (including all leagues). Updates will happen automatically every hour (and perhaps more frequently for the top players) with no client download required.

By SC2 release: 2v2, 3v3, and 4v4 will be included.
TheWoodLeagueAllstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom617 Posts
July 16 2010 10:24 GMT
#355
i love the ladder system and the sit ebut honestly im not sure i like people being able to look up my pofile, match history and all that. I do hope sc2 comes up with a private option.
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StaR_Robo
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia229 Posts
July 16 2010 10:44 GMT
#356
you can't see any details of your actual matches apart from the fact that you played them and either won or lost on the online information (in-game is obviously a different story). You don't even see who the opponent was
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theonlyrio
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom200 Posts
July 16 2010 12:05 GMT
#357
yesh i love this site lol great job man
I am the only rio
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
July 17 2010 10:02 GMT
#358
Added a ton more data. Everyone in a 1v1 ladder silver league or higher on either the US or EU should show up. Let me know if you don't see someone (actually the EU script will be going for another 20 minutes or so from this post, so wait until then :p).
papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-17 10:16:58
July 17 2010 10:11 GMT
#359
I found something strange.

If I browse united states ranking it says WhiteRa is ranked 9.

If I search for WhiteRa it says he is ranked 7.

EDIT: Browsing on WhiteRa it says its updated 16 minutes ago. Searching for WhiteRa says it was updated 21 minutes ago. Probably thats the reason for different rankings.
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
July 17 2010 10:18 GMT
#360
Good catch.

I just turned on some more aggressive caching and it looks like it is causing some minor data integrity glitches The ranks from search are pulled from cache, the ranks from browse are computed on demand (so they are probably more accurate). Looking into fixing the cache.
dynamite
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany33 Posts
July 17 2010 11:16 GMT
#361
Hi Gibybo,

thanks for bringing the service back up!
The CSV seems to time out though, too much data in there.

Any possibility you can split it up?

Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in /home/gibybo/starcraftrankings.com/csv.php on line 27
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
July 17 2010 11:25 GMT
#362
Heh yeah it's about time to update the way the .csv works. I'll try to get something better up tomorrow.

In the meantime you might be able to get what you want by playing around with the api: ex. http://starcraftrankings.com/api/ladder.php?q=0&page=1&league=Diamond&server=US
papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
July 17 2010 21:52 GMT
#363
Hi Gibybo,

When looking at a specific ranking, any chance of seeing total number of players?

Like for example I see someone is ranked 7832.

That's fine and all. But still I don't know if there are 8 000 players or 8 000 000.

A suggestion is that you display the number of players within the search category, for example "US Platinum", or "EU Platinum" or "US Total", or whatever the search category is.

thanks for a great site.


alfybet
Profile Joined January 2010
United States57 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-17 22:06:02
July 17 2010 22:02 GMT
#364
Awesome. Suggestion to sort by league and then by rating in the search page.
danl9rm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States3111 Posts
July 17 2010 22:07 GMT
#365
please add asian!

and the top of the asian ladder better be 20/30 zergs.
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Wakamex
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada47 Posts
July 17 2010 22:27 GMT
#366
this is amazing. keep up the great work.
Hardway
Profile Joined July 2010
United States3 Posts
July 17 2010 23:09 GMT
#367
This may be a noob question but as I'm new to SC in general I'm ok with that. =)

How do you find your division number? When I check my ladder I see a name like "Nexus Theta" but no numbers. I asume it's just somewhere and I've just over looked it but I can't seem to find it. Also, does your division number matter as far as rank or is it a way to seperate each group of 100 players?

I'm new to this ladder system and hear people say they were "1300" in SC1 and I asume that means... world rank? This TL account is new so I can't start a new post for three days so I was hoping to find some answers here.

I'm only gold now and have a long way to go but I'd really like to wrap my head around the ranking system and how it works. I've asked quite a few people and at least in the circle I play with nobody really knows but we'd all love to find out. Is this rank list "offical" or is it just a self made list that doesn't count towards a real ranking? I've also head of ranking such as B+ and D-. Is that the same ranking system? Why is one numbers and the other based of a grade system?

Anyone who could explain the basics of how it works and where I can find more info on how to get into the rankings would be a great help. I know there's a whole class of new players that have the same questions. I may only be gold now but I'm getting better everyday and really want to start tracking my progress as my skill grows.

Thanks!
P.S. I have tried to find some of this information out on my own but I have not had much luck. It seems players either talk about it like everyone knows or not at all.
GG! ...wait, I'm not dead?
Unfurl
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States272 Posts
July 18 2010 01:03 GMT
#368
This is also a good way to see if others have your name lol, and how mAny WhiteRa fakes there are
Unfurl
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States272 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-18 01:18:20
July 18 2010 01:17 GMT
#369
Hardway, click Multiplayer, next to your league icon (like the Gold emblem), there is a number next to it, that's the rank in your division in your league
byobong7
Profile Joined February 2010
United States207 Posts
July 18 2010 01:42 GMT
#370
On July 18 2010 08:09 Hardway wrote:
This may be a noob question but as I'm new to SC in general I'm ok with that. =)

How do you find your division number? When I check my ladder I see a name like "Nexus Theta" but no numbers. I asume it's just somewhere and I've just over looked it but I can't seem to find it. Also, does your division number matter as far as rank or is it a way to seperate each group of 100 players?


Division number means nothing, they took out division numbers because people thought it meant something, it was confusing. Your division is just random when you get put in a league just a way to split up leagues. Blizzard wants you to feel like you are competing vs 100 other people instead of 10,000+ in gold, ect.


I'm only gold now and have a long way to go but I'd really like to wrap my head around the ranking system and how it works. I've asked quite a few people and at least in the circle I play with nobody really knows but we'd all love to find out. Is this rank list "offical" or is it just a self made list that doesn't count towards a real ranking? I've also head of ranking such as B+ and D-. Is that the same ranking system? Why is one numbers and the other based of a grade system?


Not exactly sure what you are talking about here, you are all over the map in asking questions. The grade system was popular ranking for ICCup. Blizzard is using named leagues + points system inside of leagues to rank people. So overall you have Diamond > Platinum > Gold > Silver > Bronze. Then inside of the league you have Rating, you get and lose Rating from games. How exactly you lose and gain points is loosely based on an ELO system. You can read a little bit more about it in the liquipedia (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Battle.net_Leagues). Its not really important that you know the details of how it works really.

Also people saying they are "500" level Diamond doesn't mean anything really. 500 rating one day means something different the next day because of point inflation over time. As for if this is 'official' the answer is kind of. Right now in beta there is no way to go and look at different divisions and compare them. Starcraftrankings.com is using bots to crawl the sc2 website and get the information themselves. So the data should be accurate. Since the system has inflation in it, it does favor people who play more, though in theory over a large enough amount of games it should even out. As of writing this post Huk is #1 and idra #2, but idra has a better win:loss ratio, but less games played.


Anyone who could explain the basics of how it works and where I can find more info on how to get into the rankings would be a great help. I know there's a whole class of new players that have the same questions. I may only be gold now but I'm getting better everyday and really want to start tracking my progress as my skill grows.

Thanks!
P.S. I have tried to find some of this information out on my own but I have not had much luck. It seems players either talk about it like everyone knows or not at all.



CEVO SC2 Official
InfiniteIce
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States794 Posts
July 18 2010 02:02 GMT
#371
You sir, are god. I was waiting a long time to see when this would come back up (after the patch 12 fiasco!)

Thank you for your continued and renewed efforts, and I hope that you do the same after retail. =]
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Attris
Profile Joined September 2009
United States175 Posts
July 18 2010 02:07 GMT
#372
Good stuff as always. Your effort is appreciated.
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