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SC2 Ladder Analysis: What YOU Need to Know

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Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States11900 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-23 02:58:55
April 02 2010 17:02 GMT
#1
Battle.net 2.0's matchmaking system can be complicated to understand. This post will attempt to explain the core of the system and its capabilities. Be warned that this post may contain unsubstantiated hypotheses and may not be completely accurate, but in my view this is the most logical and comprehensive analysis of SC2's overall system.

MATCHMAKING

Placement

Before being seated in a league, players must play a number of placement matches. Battle.net uses these placement matches to estimate your skill level and give you a starter point. The number of placement matches is set to 5. This means that although the system will seat you in a league more quickly, it may do so less accurately. Being placed in a league doesn't cement you within that league, and if you are able to prove that you can hang with players more skilled than Battle.net initially estimated, the system will promote you to a higher league. Conversely, the system will relegate you to a lower-level league if the opponents you are initially grouped with prove to be too difficult. It is not possible to be placed into the highest league, only promoted into the highest league.

Matchmaking Ratings

The prevailing theory behind the matchmaking system is that each player is assigned a hidden "matchmaking rating", or MMR. MMR determines who your opponents are, as well as whether you are promoted or demoted. When you win or lose a game, your actual rating is compared with the MMR of your opponent and points are awarded or deducted as necessary. MMR is only affected by the end result of a match, not the means used to achieve those results. In-game details such as APM, unit composition, and tech path of either player are irrelevant.

An important reference point for understanding this theory is the WoW Arena Matchmaking System (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14910422788&sid=1).

Examples

As Battle.net most closely resembles the WoW Arena system, we'll use those values as a baseline. Remember that you cannot see your matchmaking rating in SC2, but you can in WoW Arena. This becomes easier to estimate when using WoW Arena as a reference because your MMR is what your team's rating is expected to become if you continue playing at your current level, and there are no hard separations between players.

It's generally accepted that the hierarchy of WoW Arena participants looks like this:

0-1499: Newb
1500-1799: Average
1800-1999: Fairly skilled
2000-2199: Very skilled
2200-3000: Extremely skilled

If we expand that to SC2, we would get Bronze, Silver, Gold, Platinum, and Diamond, respectively.

In WoW Arena, your MMR - which is persistent across arena seasons - starts at an average level while your team rating starts at 0. If you go 10-0 for your first 10 games, your MMR would probably skyrocket to 2200. The reason for this is that the system is unable to accurately determine your skill level, so your MMR rises more rapidly (called "volatility") in the hopes that it finds an upper bound. Even though your team rating will only be about 460 after going 10-0, you at that point would be playing against the most skilled players because your MMR is so high. The longer your win streak, the more your MMR increases until you are playing people that cause you to win 50% of the time. Once you start losing more games than you're winning at a certain level, your MMR starts falling until it can comfortably seat you. As you get closer to a 50% win rate, your volatility drops and therefore your MMR doesn't rise and fall as dramatically as it did at first.

The system acknowledges that just because your MMR is a certain level, you may not always perform at that level. There is some allowance involved.

Search Functionality

The Battle.net matchmaking system will find opponents that are close to your skill level. The degree of accuracy had yet to be determined by Rob Pardo according to this interview (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/99211-Battle-net-StarCraft-II-Matchmaking-Too-Good). You will notice after a short time that the message "EXPANDING SEARCH..." will appear when searching for a game. This means the system is searching for opponents that may be higher or lower than your intended level.

What is not clear is whether the system eventually and continually expands the search until any opponent is found, or whether it merely widens the allowable MMR variance.

LEAGUES

League Overview

Leagues are divided evenly, comprising 20% of active players across the board. The inactivity period has not been announced by Blizzard. Note that it is not possible to be placed directly into Diamond league, and that players can only be promoted into Diamond league.

Promotion and Demotion

In order to be promoted to a higher league, your MMR must sit comfortably within the boundaries of that league, meaning you'll need to be averaging a 50% win rate against those kinds of players. If you are a 2250 MMR Platinum player who typically faces Diamond players, you will need to not only average a 50% win rate against those Diamond players, but also maintain a much higher win rate against any Platinum players you may encounter. Once your MMR reaches a certain threshold you may be eligible for promotion.

The system takes a moving average of your past X games and uses that to determine your eligibility for promotion. If the moving average crosses a certain league threshold, you can be promoted to that league.

Dropping down to a lower league works the same way, only by losing.

You do not need to reach #1 (or any particular rank) in your division to get promoted.

Divisions

Leagues comprise a number of divisions that are not ranked equally. Divisions cap out at 100 players.

Divisions are loosely grouped by skill at the time of placement. Note that you cannot move laterally within your league, so in order to move to a new division you must get promoted or demoted out of your league.

Want to learn more about division tiers? Read this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=169830

RATING

The important thing to know is that rating only determines your standing within your own division. And even then, only indirectly, because you are playing against opponents beyond your division's player pool.

Team Ratings

Your team wins or loses as a whole. If your partners left the game early and you stuck around to defeat your opponents, your entire team will be credited with a win.

"Rating Inflation" and the Bonus Pool

The Bonus Pool is a pool of points that are awarded whenever players are placed into a new League. The Bonus Pool also accrues over time. Whenever a game is won, an amount equal to the rating earned is deducted from the Bonus Pool and added to the player's rating.

This has the effect of increasing player ratings over time. On the surface, this appears to be a negative thing. However, War3's Ladder system had XP decay beyond a certain level. Rather than forcing players to play games in the fashion War3 used, SC2 encourages players to play by generating a Bonus Pool.

The Bonus Pool accrues at a rate of 1 point per 2 hours, whether the player or team is active or not. The Bonus Pool also begins building based on when the ladder season began. That is, if Player A was placed into a division and started with a Bonus Pool of 100, then 24 hours later Player B placed into a new division, Player B's Bonus Pool would be 112.

Some more information from ZapRoffo:
With a matchmaking rating system, the way points are assigned is as follows. There is a default point assignment (was +/-12 for wow, seems similar in sc2) for an "equal match result". The amount won or lost in any given match, though, is determined by comparing your displayed rating to your opponent's matchmaking rating. This is why many people are experiencing huge gains for wins and small losses. It's because they haven't played enough to raise their displayed rating to their matchmaking rating. They may be matched as an 1800 matchmaking rating, but are at 1300, so if they win against an equal opponent (1800 matchmaking), they get the points of a 1300 beating an 1800, which may be +20 or something. The opponent compares his displayed rating to your matchmaking rating to calculate his point change, if he's displayed 1600 and you are also 1800 matchmaking, he will lose -10 or so (slightly less than -12 default).

One huge misconception people I feel like people need to learn the truth about:

The bonus pool WILL NOT cause inflation of ratings in the long run as long as it only modifies your displayed rating and not your matchmaking rating, which appears to be the case. In the long run, displayed ratings converge to matchmaking rating, so if matchmaking rating is unaffected there is no long term effect.

An example:
I start with a big bonus pool and win up to 1600, and my matchmaking rating is 1700. Alice wins the same amount against similar quality opponents but with no bonus pool and goes to only 1350 or so, but also with 1700 matchmaking rating, because matchmaking is totally unaffected. Now in my games I will only be looking at winning +13 or so from my opponents who are 1700 matchmaking, while Alice is looking at something like +16 or +17 from her 1700 matchmaking opponents. I'm looking at -10 or -11 from losses, while she's looking at -8 or so from those same people. Eventually the result over a long enough period is we both end up at 1700 if no change in skill happens.
Even if I got enough of a bonus pool to get to 1900 or something, once that runs out I'm going to lose more for losses than I get for wins against people who are my skill level until I get to the appropriate level. The bonus pool just functions to get people's displayed rating jump started so if they took a break they can jump to their rating more quickly.


Antiquated information:
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"Tough" Divisions

Because divisions are generated as necessary, invariably the most skilled and most dedicated players will rise to the top and be placed in the low-numbered divisions. Directly speaking, this doesn't inherently mean players added to this division will encounter tougher games, just that they are less likely to reach the tournament qualifier cutoff of Top 8 because their rating is unlikely to be as high as the top players, who are expected to carry higher point totals due to their expected higher win rate.

TOURNAMENTS

The Top 8 players within each division automatically qualify for a tournament run on Battle.net. The frequency of these tournaments is unknown. Warcraft 3's tournaments ran weekly, for reference. The rewards for placing highly in tournaments is also unknown, but may involve league promotion or special Battle.net icons. It is likely that tournaments will be limited to the Top 8 players within that division, rather than across all divisions in a league, if they are to be scheduled with any regularity.


Part 2 of our Ladder Analysis can be found here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=142211

EDIT 11/22/2010: Edited information about divisions in light of the new division tiers discovery.

EDIT 11/1/2010: Corrected League Overview section (again). It actually is set percentiles, but they apply only to active players.

EDIT 8/11/2010: Added more information about the Bonus Pool.

EDIT 8/10/2010: Added a link to Part 2.

EDIT 8/7/2010: Corrected League Overview section, removing the part about set percentiles per league. Evidence from http://sc2ranks.com/stats/

EDIT 8/3/2010: Added link to the Blizzard Leagues and Ladders FAQ for supplemental information. Also added a note about teams winning or losing as a group.

EDIT 7/28/2010: Minor edits to reflect the released game.

EDIT 6/11/2010: Clarified scoring, emphasizing that upon conclusion of a game, your actual rating is compared to your opponent's MMR and points are awarded or deducted based on the difference. Also removed some relatively ambiguous and potentially confusing wording on streaks.

EDIT 6/4/2010: Added new Patch 15 info about Diamond league being locked from placement matches.

EDIT 5/27/2010: Updated League names to reflect Patch 13 changes. Also added "rating inflation" analysis.

EDIT 5/11/2010: Removed outdated information. Added ZapRoffo's supplemental analysis (this is good stuff).

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Thanks to Vanick.ejb for analytical help and proofreading.
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LordWeird
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3404 Posts
April 02 2010 17:08 GMT
#2
Wow. Awesome read. Thanks for sharing this.
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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17683 Posts
April 02 2010 17:08 GMT
#3
wow really nice read!
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ColorsOfRainbow
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany354 Posts
April 02 2010 17:09 GMT
#4
intresting to read
ZenDeX
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Philippines2872 Posts
April 02 2010 17:10 GMT
#5
This is a ton better than the official Q&A.
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice22524 Posts
April 02 2010 17:14 GMT
#6
Given how much testing they have done with WoW, it seems pretty logical to assume they would use a very similar system for bnet 2.0. Good read, solid reasoning.
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Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
April 02 2010 17:14 GMT
#7
Easily the best analysis of the ladder system yet. There's still some shady gray areas, which you eloquently noted in the analysis. There are plenty of limitations which of course make this analysis inconclusive. It bothers me that we still aren't given exactly how the ladder is set up. It would be really great to get some feel, even some kind of hierarchy or imagery to give us a better understanding...
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kazansky
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany931 Posts
April 02 2010 17:17 GMT
#8
nice read, but a slight edit to the tournament point, as far as i can remember W3 tournaments were not restricted by any means at all (at least those few i participated in), especially not the ladder ranking you had. you just signed in when started, played placement matches, and after that, if you were high enough, continued.
I kinda appreciate this new approach of blizzard for the tournaments.
the only ladder related were battle.net finals, and they were played out semi-annual or so.
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Kimera757
Profile Joined August 2007
Canada129 Posts
April 02 2010 17:20 GMT
#9
This is really clear.

It's irritating to see other beta players claim that how you win affects your AMM/League rating, when it's obviously just your wins vs ranked opponents.

Now if only you could analyze placement matches a bit more. (If I'm playing my second or third placement game, for instance, how does Blizzard know that I'm favored or unfavored?)
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Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States11900 Posts
April 02 2010 17:32 GMT
#10
On April 03 2010 02:20 Kimera757 wrote:
This is really clear.

It's irritating to see other beta players claim that how you win affects your AMM/League rating, when it's obviously just your wins vs ranked opponents.

Now if only you could analyze placement matches a bit more. (If I'm playing my second or third placement game, for instance, how does Blizzard know that I'm favored or unfavored?)


Your placement matches are against players who are already ranked (or are currently playing placement matches), and your volatility is probably quite high. If your MMR starts at 1000 and you win your first game, it's possible that your MMR would jump to 1300 for the next game due to high volatility.
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Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9207 Posts
April 02 2010 17:45 GMT
#11
On April 03 2010 02:02 Excalibur_Z wrote:


It's generally accepted that the hierarchy of WoW Arena participants looks like this:

0-1499: Newb
1500-1799: Average
1800-1999: Fairly skilled
2000-2199: Very skilled
2200-2999: Extremely skilled
3000: Prot warrior



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Jimmy Raynor
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
892 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-02 17:53:05
April 02 2010 17:51 GMT
#12
Hey man, could you give some more information regarding the pro league that may be included when the game is released. Is it going to be invite only? Are there going to be some special tournaments in that pro league, and what are the rewards there going to be (more than cosmetic icons for b.net?) since its pro only?
Pervect
Profile Joined June 2007
1280 Posts
April 02 2010 17:53 GMT
#13
On April 03 2010 02:51 Jimmy Raynor wrote:
Hey man, could you give some more information regarding the pro league that may be included when the game is released. Is it going to be invite only? Are there going to be some special tournaments in that pro league, and what are the rewards there going to be (more than cosmetic icons for b.net?) since its pro only?


It's supposed to be invite-only, but I don't think Blizzard has decided/announced anything that is final for the pro league.
MockHamill
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1781 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-02 17:54:33
April 02 2010 17:53 GMT
#14
Very good explanation.

I think the end of season tournaments will go like this.
1. When the end of season is near everyone will be locked for a few weeks to their current division and league.
2. The top 8 in each division will do a tournament to determine the division winner.
3. The division winners will then do a tournament to determine the league winner.

It resembles sports and since they wish to make SC2 an e-sport it makes the most sense.

I really think the Division system combined with Division and League tournaments is a much better solution then just having an overall gigantic ladder. This way everyone has a chance to compete against players on their own level instead of just having competitions for the top 0.1 percent of the player base.
Tippany
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States765 Posts
April 02 2010 21:56 GMT
#15
cool post. I thought blizzard stated that division numbers had no significance (ie between platinum 15 and platinum 30)?
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AeroGear
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada652 Posts
April 02 2010 22:34 GMT
#16
I'd rather have them keep the AMM a bit less restrictive than it is for WC3/TFT, before the implementation of the AMM it was matching players only according to their level +/- 6, which led to some unfair matchups and encouraged smurfing for those "pristine" stats.

Given how the AMM works your adversaries might be of better/closer caliber but the search could take FOREVER especially on east/west where ladder is just not as popular as as euro/asia, combined with the amount of players doing ums like dota/tower D, and smaller pool of talented players.
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Japan2795 Posts
April 02 2010 22:39 GMT
#17
Good stuff! Keep it up!
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Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Germany940 Posts
April 02 2010 22:45 GMT
#18
0-1499: Newb
i am a newb damn =( damn i wanted to stop for today after reaching 1400 points but this made me very sad T:T
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Profile Joined January 2010
United States105 Posts
April 02 2010 22:49 GMT
#19
Nice read, but on one point: Skilled players are in lower numbered divisions - not sure how accurate that is. I'm pretty sure it's random. I'd say the only thing you can take from someone being in a low division number is they've been playing in X league for a long period of time (since the ladder reset) and even then that's not totally true, as once those players ascend to a higher league, new players will fill those spots to hit 100 again.
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MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-02 23:13:11
April 02 2010 23:08 GMT
#20
so bottom line its harder to get high rating pts in division 1 of platinum compared to 10?
i thought the rating was just as hard to get for everybody xd

it was a good read but why do they (if what ur saying is true) give us fake rating? why cant it just be like iccup where 2000 pts is better than 1900 regardless of anything else :x

whats even the point of seing ur rating if its not comparable to ppl outside ur division :/

On April 03 2010 07:49 TimeToPractice! wrote:
Nice read, but on one point: Skilled players are in lower numbered divisions - not sure how accurate that is. I'm pretty sure it's random. I'd say the only thing you can take from someone being in a low division number is they've been playing in X league for a long period of time (since the ladder reset) and even then that's not totally true, as once those players ascend to a higher league, new players will fill those spots to hit 100 again.


i think its all got to do with the 5 first games u make and how soon u got it. i dont think its possible to move up and down divisions, only ranks. i simply think the "more skilled" ppl get in the 1-5 plat just because they play alot and go 5-0 in the placement and get thrown in, then 2 days later they seem full and even if others go 5-0 they get like division 8 or so xd
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