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jarek.exe
Poland60 Posts
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jarek.exe
Poland60 Posts
most recent opponents: platinum 1150 platinum 1400 platinum 1450 diamond 1350 diamond 1450 diamond 1450 silver 1900 ... 43 in a row now Still bronze :| | ||
Excalibur_Z
United States12237 Posts
On November 01 2010 10:33 jarek.exe wrote: most recent opponents: platinum 1150 platinum 1400 platinum 1450 diamond 1350 diamond 1450 diamond 1450 silver 1900 ... 43 in a row now Still bronze :| This is basically why: ![[image loading]](http://s2.kimag.es/share/37246343.jpg) Your friend is like 349-261. I don't know what his history was before, but if he was in Bronze it either means he was going 50-50 at Bronze level for a long time or bombed his MMR to drop down to Bronze. Right now he's clearly performing far far better than the system estimated, and his moving average will take longer to comfortably cross and settle within the Diamond threshold because it had come to rest in Bronze for so long. | ||
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tupo
Israel2 Posts
Does every player has an MMR for his 3v3 play separate from his 1v1 MMR? I ask this becuase I mostly play team games, and there are many ppl who play 1v1 better than me, but their teamwork succs. So I'm trying to understand if the common rating of the team is boosted by their partly irrelevant high 1v1 MMR. What I'm trying to say is that if a player's MMR is single for all ?v? types then the system could match for a 2v2 in one team two playes with average skill and teamwork, but on the other team one with high skill and one with low (per their 1v1 performance) who usually play 1v1, but their teamwork succs. Yet system would assume these teams have the same chance of winning but actually the second team will almost never win such a game (more so for the same example in 3v3). And then what happens if one or both teams are pre selected parties? | ||
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fdsdfg
United States1251 Posts
On November 11 2010 22:06 tupo wrote: How does it work for random teams? In the 3v3 match making for example without a party. Does every player has an MMR for his 3v3 play separate from his 1v1 MMR? I ask this becuase I mostly play team games, and there are many ppl who play 1v1 better than me, but their teamwork succs. So I'm trying to understand if the common rating of the team is boosted by their partly irrelevant high 1v1 MMR. What I'm trying to say is that if a player's MMR is single for all ?v? types then the system could match for a 2v2 in one team two playes with average skill and teamwork, but on the other team one with high skill and one with low (per their 1v1 performance) who usually play 1v1, but their teamwork succs. Yet system would assume these teams have the same chance of winning but actually the second team will almost never win such a game (more so for the same example in 3v3). And then what happens if one or both teams are pre selected parties? I'm wondering about MMR and Team games too. I'm a very good diamond player, and my girlfriend is a bronze player - but we still play 2v2s and can beat two players well above bronze. Does this affect the same MMR that is used to determine which opponents she faces in 1v1? I ask because after we played a few team games, she won two 1v1 games and got only 2 points from each win. It's possible they had artificially lowered their MMR for whatever reason, but I hope the game isn't going to pair her against gold players just because we beat gold players in team games. | ||
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Marksel
Netherlands56 Posts
Recently I picked up 1v1 again after playing alot of teamgames and watching alot of the pro leagues, and with that far more knowledge about the game, I was easily beating everyone. After about 15 games I was promoted to silver, and it then took about 10 games to be promoted further to gold. Now, however, I am stuck in gold, while being matched up with diamond players _ALL THE TIME_. The past 30 games were against either highrated plat or diamond(of any rating), to an extreme of playing a 1730rated diamond while it even said 'Even match'. My winrate over these last 30 games is well over 70%, and after a win streak of 8 in a row against 8 diamonds that all stated they were either 'slightly favored' or 'even match', there is still no scent of a promotion. I don't really understand it. If I had played alot back at the bronze days I would understand that it takes a long time to be promoted to silver or even gold, but why am I stuck at gold now, when I have never really lost to anyone highplat or lower ever since I got my silver promotion? | ||
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fdsdfg
United States1251 Posts
On November 12 2010 00:27 Marksel wrote: When I started playing for the first time, I was kinda clueless and got ranked bronze back then. Recently I picked up 1v1 again after playing alot of teamgames and watching alot of the pro leagues, and with that far more knowledge about the game, I was easily beating everyone. After about 15 games I was promoted to silver, and it then took about 10 games to be promoted further to gold. Now, however, I am stuck in gold, while being matched up with diamond players _ALL THE TIME_. The past 30 games were against either highrated plat or diamond(of any rating), to an extreme of playing a 1730rated diamond while it even said 'Even match'. My winrate over these last 30 games is well over 70%, and after a win streak of 8 in a row against 8 diamonds that all stated they were either 'slightly favored' or 'even match', there is still no scent of a promotion. I don't really understand it. If I had played alot back at the bronze days I would understand that it takes a long time to be promoted to silver or even gold, but why am I stuck at gold now, when I have never really lost to anyone highplat or lower ever since I got my silver promotion? This is all really explained in the OP. Your current MMR is really high, but your average MMR is still low. | ||
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Marksel
Netherlands56 Posts
On November 12 2010 00:28 fdsdfg wrote: This is all really explained in the OP. Your current MMR is really high, but your average MMR is still low. Like I said, I would understand that if this would have withheld me from my first 2 promotions, but I don't get why I'm suddenly stuck at specifally gold, rather than having been stuck in bronze or silver for a longer time. | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12237 Posts
On November 12 2010 00:39 Marksel wrote: Like I said, I would understand that if this would have withheld me from my first 2 promotions, but I don't get why I'm suddenly stuck at specifally gold, rather than having been stuck in bronze or silver for a longer time. Read the part of the Part 2 thread that explains the moving average and you may understand better why that's happening to you. | ||
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ipwnN00bz
United States42 Posts
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roflcopter420
Sweden168 Posts
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Excalibur_Z
United States12237 Posts
On December 21 2010 02:33 roflcopter420 wrote: I dont get what the number is on the top right of my home screen in battlenet, right under my name. It is 1180. In the ladder, it appears as if I have 407 points. Those are achievement points. | ||
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roflcopter420
Sweden168 Posts
you dont have to mock me... | ||
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
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Greyhawk
Australia110 Posts
Anyway, i have a question. I've recently started playing SC2 and I'm currently in bronze with a win/loss ratio of 25 wins 32 losses with 6 points on the ladder.. i looked on my ladder rankings and there are other players with near equivalent win/loss ratio yet their points are way beyond my own (400-600) and i was wondering how this has come to be. If anyone could help me out it be much appreciated, thanks. | ||
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ktimekiller
United States690 Posts
They lose less, gain more | ||
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Schnullerbacke13
Germany1199 Posts
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Comma20
Australia138 Posts
On January 09 2011 19:20 Schnullerbacke13 wrote: wtf .. just wondering why on earth blzzrd created a rating and promoting system, which is completely intransparent for the player. It would motivate me a lot to play ladder, if i would be able to exactly determine the conditions which would lead to my promotion. Do you care about your promotion or getting better? Do you just want that star on your profile and the ability to say "Yeah I'm Diamond" and reap the praise from your friends? The main thing about the system is "YOU WILL GET THERE WHEN YOU DESERVE TO BE" as a general rule. There are a few anomalies, but eventually, you'll get there. | ||
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Schnullerbacke13
Germany1199 Posts
On January 09 2011 19:34 Comma20 wrote: Do you care about your promotion or getting better? Do you just want that star on your profile and the ability to say "Yeah I'm Diamond" and reap the praise from your friends? The main thing about the system is "YOU WILL GET THERE WHEN YOU DESERVE TO BE" as a general rule. There are a few anomalies, but eventually, you'll get there. I care about promotion  Promotion is kind of a reward for improvement. Would you work hard, if you employer tells you: "Well you'll get a salaray some day when i think you earned it, but i don't tell you what you have to do exactly to get a salary and i don't tell you how much progress you did to reach your target". Climbing up the ligue is easy: the more you play, the higher you get, cause you get more points for wins then for losses ... | ||
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Helen Killer
United States21 Posts
Thanks edit: just got promoted, rank 5 silver | ||
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