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ilnp
Profile Joined December 2002
Iceland1330 Posts
March 31 2010 03:19 GMT
#1
Who at Blizzard decided that sensor towers should show the enemy what they cover? Is there a point to designing something and then making it as completely useless as possible? Let's see -- I can't build a sensor tower anywhere that's not in my sphere of protection, because my opponent will see it on the minimap and then just go kill it. I can't build a sensor tower near an expansion that my opponent hasn't scouted yet or I'll tip him off that that expansion is there.

How about lowering their radius and making them secret?

While we're at it, Terran's detection sucks, how about stripping detection from missile turrets and putting it on the sensor tower, so Terran gets a detection option that's not nearly a carbon copy of the other races defensive structures, and Terran gets a much needed boost in scouting which is also novel, since you can see troop movements but not what they have.

It's really fun to stare at an observer following around my units and knowing that it costs more money to kill it than it does to make another one.
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xnub
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada610 Posts
March 31 2010 03:21 GMT
#2
i like the Sensor tower /shrug only thing i would like to see change is price and maybe make it so that a tank can shoot the red dots if they are in range : P

Hate having to have spotters for the Def tanks hehe
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
March 31 2010 03:21 GMT
#3
I do agree that Sensor Towers should be changed a bit. It is pointless for them to see the area it covers since they can just avoid that area completely, or now where to take it out. It totally eliminates the possibility of putting one in the center of the map to see incoming attacks.
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RedTerror
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
New Zealand742 Posts
March 31 2010 03:22 GMT
#4
I like the detection idea.
FREEloss_ca
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada603 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-31 03:28:05
March 31 2010 03:22 GMT
#5
Scanner
Raven
Missle Turret
Sensory Tower

Therefore: Terran detection sucks?

Get out.

While we're at it, lets compare:

Zerg:
Overseer (Costs 150 minerals/100 gas) is squishy, requires Lair
Spore Crawler...

Protoss:
Observers
Photon Cannons

Terran has twice as much detection as the other races; most of which is more easily accessible.
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RedTerror
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
New Zealand742 Posts
March 31 2010 03:22 GMT
#6
On March 31 2010 12:21 xnub wrote:
i like the Sensor tower /shrug only thing i would like to see change is price and maybe make it so that a tank can shoot the red dots if they are in range : P

Hate having to have spotters for the Def tanks hehe


I heard that already happens
ZenDeX
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Philippines2916 Posts
March 31 2010 03:23 GMT
#7
You can't catch a Terran by surprise once they have Sensors up. Of course, smart players wouldn't place them on secret expos.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
March 31 2010 03:24 GMT
#8
I like the sensor tower. It's great for catching flanks and drops.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
March 31 2010 03:24 GMT
#9
I also agree with FREEloss with the fact that Terran detection does not suck. There are plenty of things that can detect, especially with scans. I don't think Sensor Towers should be detectors.
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fulmetljaket
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
482 Posts
March 31 2010 03:24 GMT
#10
On March 31 2010 12:19 ilnp wrote:
Who at Blizzard decided that sensor towers should show the enemy what they cover? Is there a point to designing something and then making it as completely useless as possible? Let's see -- I can't build a sensor tower anywhere that's not in my sphere of protection, because my opponent will see it on the minimap and then just go kill it. I can't build a sensor tower near an expansion that my opponent hasn't scouted yet or I'll tip him off that that expansion is there.

How about lowering their radius and making them secret?

While we're at it, Terran's detection sucks, how about stripping detection from missile turrets and putting it on the sensor tower, so Terran gets a detection option that's not nearly a carbon copy of the other races defensive structures, and Terran gets a much needed boost in scouting which is also novel, since you can see troop movements but not what they have.

It's really fun to stare at an observer following around my units and knowing that it costs more money to kill it than it does to make another one.


what league are you in?
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MannerKiss
Profile Joined June 2003
United States2398 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-31 03:27:36
March 31 2010 03:25 GMT
#11
oh my god ilnp
where is nextel/hovz

i feel old

No but seriously I feel that sensor towers are fine they way they are.
I want an igloo.
TieN.nS)
Profile Joined August 2003
United States2131 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-31 03:26:11
March 31 2010 03:25 GMT
#12
On March 31 2010 12:24 fulmetljaket wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2010 12:19 ilnp wrote:
Who at Blizzard decided that sensor towers should show the enemy what they cover? Is there a point to designing something and then making it as completely useless as possible? Let's see -- I can't build a sensor tower anywhere that's not in my sphere of protection, because my opponent will see it on the minimap and then just go kill it. I can't build a sensor tower near an expansion that my opponent hasn't scouted yet or I'll tip him off that that expansion is there.

How about lowering their radius and making them secret?

While we're at it, Terran's detection sucks, how about stripping detection from missile turrets and putting it on the sensor tower, so Terran gets a detection option that's not nearly a carbon copy of the other races defensive structures, and Terran gets a much needed boost in scouting which is also novel, since you can see troop movements but not what they have.

It's really fun to stare at an observer following around my units and knowing that it costs more money to kill it than it does to make another one.


what league are you in?


Are you trying to talk shit to Dudey?
JoeCrow
Profile Joined March 2010
United States167 Posts
March 31 2010 03:26 GMT
#13
Its still tactically useful. Just because your opponent knows its there doesn't mean he can always avoid it. If you put one on the easiest route to your base then it works as a psychological deterrent, encouraging them to attack from other( more defended/difficult routes).
nik_0_0
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada82 Posts
March 31 2010 03:27 GMT
#14
First off, I entirely disagree with taking detection off missile turrets and putting it on Sensor towers, especially with the 150/150 cost of towers.

However, you are definitely spot on with casting that 270 mineral spell to kill the 50/100 Observer, although it is probably ok to do so as long as you are not mineral blocked since 100 gas is pretty key early on.

Finally, I really hope that they would lower radius and make them not broadcast their radius (which doesnt even make SENSE btw). If that is kept then I'd like to see Overseer sight range (which seems to be HUGE) and maybe they could make observers super shiny...

At least take the radius off the minimap Blizzard, it makes its soo easy to find and kill, especially if we dont put it, as you said it "in my sphere of protection"!

Interesting idea!
Eh?
FREEloss_ca
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada603 Posts
March 31 2010 03:30 GMT
#15
Terran has enough detection. The Sensory tower is just there as an added bonus; like stated, to catch flanks, drops, and to alert you when Roaches, Infestors and DT's are sneaking towards your army.
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SarcasticOne
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia213 Posts
March 31 2010 03:30 GMT
#16
On March 31 2010 12:22 ViruX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2010 12:21 xnub wrote:
i like the Sensor tower /shrug only thing i would like to see change is price and maybe make it so that a tank can shoot the red dots if they are in range : P

Hate having to have spotters for the Def tanks hehe


I heard that already happens


it does =)

and i love sensor towers! 1-2 of them gives me a heap of vision, i also love placing them in the gold mineral patch in metropalis, nearest to me... does a fantastic job of scouting!
mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5657 Posts
March 31 2010 03:30 GMT
#17
its a good deterance. walking or flying over that circumference is like fuuuuuck this better be fast or im get bopped in the face.

its a really cool mechanic i think.
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lepape
Profile Joined November 2005
Canada557 Posts
March 31 2010 03:30 GMT
#18
Sensor tower is perfectly fine as it is.
xnub
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada610 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-31 03:32:23
March 31 2010 03:31 GMT
#19
On March 31 2010 12:22 FREEloss_ca wrote:
Scanner
Raven
Missle Turret
Sensory Tower

Therefore: Terran detection sucks?

Get out.

While we're at it, lets compare:

Zerg:
Overseer (Costs 150 minerals/100 gas) is squishy, requires Lair
Spore Crawler...

Protoss:
Observers
Photon Cannons

Terran has twice as much detection as the other races; most of which is more easily accessible.


Sensory Tower - is not Detection
Scanner - have to give up what was it 300 - 400 min for 1 scan
Raven - 100 min 200 gas and late tech nuff said
Missle turrent - stactic Def with sort range that can only hit air

ps hideing Sensory Tower in corners where they are hard to see is fun lol
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Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
March 31 2010 03:34 GMT
#20
At first I didn't know my enemy can see the radius of my sensor tower, so I liked then, but I wondered how they always knew where they were and how they were able to find and kill them so easily. I like the idea of reducing the radius but keeping the vision only to the Terran. I think the missile turret is just fine as it is though.
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